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The 9700 and 9800 to the x1900xt, that is quite a gap.
Yep.
The X800 XT, X800 XL and X800 GTO fills it nicely, though...

The 9700 and 9800 to the x1900xt, that is quite a gap.
In the late 60s and early 70s my dad was writing BASIC and Fortran programs for an IBM punchcard system.
Now, sometimes he doesn't know whether to type something in the Google box, or the address bar. "Time spent" is a lousy way to prove quality of knowledge.
honestly, buy the most you can afford when you can afford it. Simple logic. Once you buy it, stop worrying about the next one that bests it and just enjoy the results. That logic has yet to fail me. (plus, it removes the resulting e-peni$ envy when you compare to the latest)
I know I said I'd wait until the R600 was official released and I may eat my words but I don't think so. It looks like the R600 is a great big giant bomb and what's more is that I was ready to get one until I read these two articles... ...How ya doin' GrapeApe? 😉 I'm REALLY interested to hear what you say when the official benches are released but I feel confident that we've already seen what the R600 can do unfortunately.
I know I said I'd wait until the R600 was official released and I may eat my words but I don't think so. It looks like the R600 is a great big giant bomb and what's more is that I was ready to get one until I read these two articles... ...How ya doin' GrapeApe? 😉 I'm REALLY interested to hear what you say when the official benches are released but I feel confident that we've already seen what the R600 can do unfortunately.
If it wasn't for Barcelona AMD would be in serious trouble,
but it looks like the R600 XTX won't even be released and if it is, it looks like it runs about the same as the R600 XT does.
I don't think drivers are gonna help the R600, because ATi wouldn't have gone out to all the reporters and said the R600 XT won't be able to compete with the G80.
there are no drivers that can save it.
The price here too is a look into what ATi thinks how it performs. The R600 XT and XTX only performs at the 8800 GTS level though so the GTX is in no danger at all from what I've seen.
Had the R600 blew the G80 away, you can bet that it wouldn't be only $400 or $500! I'm not sure if the rumors are true about the G80 Ultra, but it really looks like they are and Nvidia's gonna release it at close to the $1K price point. I can see why now....they PWN ATi badly!
If I happen to be wrong and seriously doubt it judging from the various sites now that are backing these stories up....
I can always send my G80 back, but I don't see that happening at all.
Anyway I hope ATi gets their act together next year because I really don't want an Nvidia monopoly again like it was this year,
If it wasn't for Barcelona AMD would be in serious trouble,
but it looks like the R600 XTX won't even be released and if it is, it looks like it runs about the same as the R600 XT does.
I don't think drivers are gonna help the R600, because ATi wouldn't have gone out to all the reporters and said the R600 XT won't be able to compete with the G80.
there are no drivers that can save it.
The price here too is a look into what ATi thinks how it performs. The R600 XT and XTX only performs at the 8800 GTS level though so the GTX is in no danger at all from what I've seen.
Had the R600 blew the G80 away, you can bet that it wouldn't be only $400 or $500! I'm not sure if the rumors are true about the G80 Ultra, but it really looks like they are and Nvidia's gonna release it at close to the $1K price point. I can see why now....they PWN ATi badly!
If I happen to be wrong and seriously doubt it judging from the various sites now that are backing these stories up....
I can always send my G80 back, but I don't see that happening at all.
Anyway I hope ATi gets their act together next year because I really don't want an Nvidia monopoly again like it was this year,
I'd avoid multi-card setups if you can.
Just get a better card when it comes out. Most times you can sell your card and then put that money towards a better card and still come out ahead.
Look at the GF8600s, buy one now and then buy one later, put them in SLi and you still don't beat the GF8800GTS-320, so what's the point?
Be it AMD or nV, it rarely makes sense to go multi-vpu unless you're at the top of the line at the start and no better options, or by the time you do want to upgrade, someone just plain gives you a card, then it'd be worth it. Otherwise I'd say when the time comes, sell whatever you buy now, and then roll that money into buying the GF8900GS or whatever at the time that probably spanks it in the current games.
You talking about Nvidia's drivers not being up to snuff with Vista, and it was true but at least they had a card out...
Also Nvidia's had their full lineup out (midrange and lowend) cards out for 2 months now
You talking about Nvidia's drivers not being up to snuff with Vista, and it was true but at least they had a card out...
Also Nvidia's had their full lineup out (midrange and lowend) cards out for 2 months now
Yeah, the 8600 and their other cards haven't been out for 2 months I guess. I read that somewhere but thinking about it I guess they haven't.
They've still got more new cards than ATi has though....that's a fact!
Drivers aren't gonna save ATi this time.
I don't think ATi would have come out and made that comment if ATi had a chance.
They would have just been silent or defended the R600. They did quite the opposite!
Every ATI card since the 9700 was as good/better as any. Even the early RADEON 1.No they haven't, but Nvidia did with the FX series... 😀
And hey, what's wrong with last-genearation Ati's? The X1x00 series seems pretty bulletproof...
an enthusiast is not someone who buys the latest and greatest
its someone who buys something and makes it better
an enthusiast can buy anything and do what ever it takes to make it better
and your location is suspect you are doing a whole lot of ATI fire fighting latley. you must work for ati or have a vested interest in them. sound familiar?
If you were waiting for Direct3D 10 compliant hardware from AMD (formerly ATI) you will have to wait even longer. AMD pushed the launch of R600 yet once more.
Yeah, the 8600 and their other cards haven't been out for 2 months I guess. I read that somewhere but thinking about it I guess they haven't.
They've still got more new cards than ATi has though....that's a fact!
Drivers aren't gonna save ATi this time.
I don't think ATi would have come out and made that comment if ATi had a chance.
They would have just been silent or defended the R600. They did quite the opposite!
beerandcandy said:I didn't say I'd be done with AMD/ATi forever, just this year if they delay again...check my statement!Check my statement, if there's a part that 200% better in all respects, if you'd still not get it, then you're not an enthusiast. Those jump from product to product when a great opportunity arises, and such a boost in performance would get anyone who even pretends to be an enthusiast. That you jumped onto a GTX-512 after a regular GTX, makes me believe that the only reason you wouldn't jump this time is because of brand loyalty, because that small a boost from the GTX to the GTX512 is nothing compared to the fictional part you use as an example.
an enthusiast is not someone who buys the latest and greatest
its someone who buys something and makes it better
an enthusiast can buy anything and do what ever it takes to make it better
and your location is suspect you are doing a whole lot of ATI fire fighting latley. you must work for ati or have a vested interest in them. sound familiar?
face the music ATI your beloved company dropped the ball. 7+ months late benches that dont surpass 8800XTX benches
i would blame amd if u were you. how many people left ati after the buy out?
He might be an ATi fanboi but I suspect that he just likes to take the opposite of some peoples comments just because he can. The only problem with my comments is that if they turn out to be true based on what I've seen lately (and it's looking like they will be), he's gonna have a real problem because you can't alter the facts. Watch though, he'll try to go at it from another angle and try to ignore the R600 and shoot to the other cards, like he's already done. He'll try to draw me in on that angle.
Before he tried to deny that AMD wasn't in financial trouble but in the past week there's been a few articles about just how bad AMD has been. He doesn't want to respond to that now because he can't because they are in trouble. Now that I've mentioned it, he'll again try to hit on it from another angle and go to something else and hopefully I want mention it again because you can't twist the facts when they're right in front of you!
If you truly don't give a crap, stop polluting this and every other thread you post in by continually referring to it.
i agree but if i did something not right i want to know
i will figure out if i acted accordingly if i get the details of what I "screwed up"
ya i agree but i think grape ape fell asleep so make a new thread tomarrow