TheGreatGrapeApe
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LOL! My dad did the same thing for IBM in Canada back then. Back then that was cutting edge stuff, like doing the taxation program on thousands of punchcards! 8O
It's funny because my dad's gone a similar but different route, he's done with the tech now, and is a MAC fan because he can do all the cool stuff, but not worryy about the minutiae anymore.
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now for some time now, several years. I have always used Nvidia as my graphics card choice in my builds "skip the FX series which didn't compare in my personal opinion to the 4000TI series". Though I have highly been anticipating ATi's new R600 based cards. It could be because my AW8D Abit motherboard is a crossfire ready motherboard. "I make bang for buck machines, so dont diss my AW8D motherboard lol, I love it, for 106 dollars it was a great buy even though it doesn't support the Conroe line processors" But as I have been reading up on the geforce 8000 series card, I am hoping that ATi can provide a card that also suites my needs and my clients needs. Great cards at affordable prices. At this time and age, the capability variance of the cards are very minuet. I am anticipating that Nvidia is aimed more toward the HD revolution with it's April 17th release "8600gt/gts 8500" So I am wanting to see what ATi has to release before I jump to my guns. I just get this feeling ATi has something really good this time, and my gut feelings are rarely wrong "but neither are the stats I have been seeing that support that feeling." Anyhow, I wanted to state my opinion, it's not to long till ATI releases it's cards in may "which I hope to god is the case"
I know I said I'd wait until the R600 was official released and I may eat my words but I don't think so. It looks like the R600 is a great big giant bomb and what's more is that I was ready to get one until I read these two articles.
Benchmarks: http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+2900+XTX+Doomed+from+the+Start/article7052.htm
Oh and BTW, yes, they shouldn't have used an overclocked G80 GTX but they did but if you compare stock speeds against the R600 XT, the G80 still wins. Also the R600 XT performs very poorly when O/Ced too for some reason. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7044
ATI has officially confirmed
"ATI said in front of 150+ journalists that the R600XT won't be able to compete with the Geforce 8800 GTX. The dream is dead and Radeon HD 2900 XT won't be able to catch up with the six month old Geforce 8800 GTX.
ATI said that R600XT, Radeon HD 2900XT has about the same performance as the 8800 GTS. Radeon HD 2900 XTX won't be launched in mid may and will be delayed to Q3 2007. We already wrote about this here.
The dream that AMD can do something and return as the high end market leader is gone. R600 trails against G80. Congratulations Nvidia." http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=703&Itemid=34
Now these could be false but there are two independent sites basically backing each other up. ATi screwed up BIG TIME. I just ordered my eVGA GeForce 8800 GTX this morning! =)
How ya doin' GrapeApe? 😉 I'm REALLY interested to hear what you say when the official benches are released but I feel confident that we've already seen what the R600 can do unfortunately.
Yes.....let the flaming begin...Mwahahahahaha
Benchmarks: http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+2900+XTX+Doomed+from+the+Start/article7052.htm
Oh and BTW, yes, they shouldn't have used an overclocked G80 GTX but they did but if you compare stock speeds against the R600 XT, the G80 still wins. Also the R600 XT performs very poorly when O/Ced too for some reason. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7044
ATI has officially confirmed
"ATI said in front of 150+ journalists that the R600XT won't be able to compete with the Geforce 8800 GTX. The dream is dead and Radeon HD 2900 XT won't be able to catch up with the six month old Geforce 8800 GTX.
ATI said that R600XT, Radeon HD 2900XT has about the same performance as the 8800 GTS. Radeon HD 2900 XTX won't be launched in mid may and will be delayed to Q3 2007. We already wrote about this here.
The dream that AMD can do something and return as the high end market leader is gone. R600 trails against G80. Congratulations Nvidia." http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=703&Itemid=34
Now these could be false but there are two independent sites basically backing each other up. ATi screwed up BIG TIME. I just ordered my eVGA GeForce 8800 GTX this morning! =)
How ya doin' GrapeApe? 😉 I'm REALLY interested to hear what you say when the official benches are released but I feel confident that we've already seen what the R600 can do unfortunately.
Yes.....let the flaming begin...Mwahahahahaha
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You might be right, for a change, but based on your other posts I wouldn't count on it, considering how much you miss.
So based on those benchies AMD lose in the Enthusiast market when and if nV ever drops their prices; but AMD will walk away with the workstation market seeing as the $400 HD2900XT without the advantage of worstation drivers, blows away nV's $2,000 QuadroFX5500, and bests the $4,000 QuadroFX5600.
Now considering that market sells 50-100% more cards at about 100-200% more revenue than the $250+ segment, sound like they will swap places for which one they dominate, and AMD will give up the high end and take the more lucrative and profitable workstation market.
Interesting strategy, but I guess it would be more profitable than just winning the DX9 High end. Sucks for gamers though.
And while we still don't know about DX10, since we're deciding everything based on those benchmarks, it looks like the G80 has terrible geometry capabilities and will once again get back-doored by the new cards. Whoa, that's got GFFX series written all over it by those DailyTech benchies.
But you're right, we should wait for more benchmarks before you do your little dance, cause I have a feelling that it won't take AMD 6 months to get performing drivers for their cards. Hey maybe that's the new product release in 6 months you were talking about. Release the GF80 in November, release the final Drivers in April. Ahhh you should've clarified that, then people would've understood your posts better.
Like I said last time, I'll wait until the final product is in stores and reviewed by the usual quality sites.
You might be right, for a change, but based on your other posts I wouldn't count on it, considering how much you miss.
So based on those benchies AMD lose in the Enthusiast market when and if nV ever drops their prices; but AMD will walk away with the workstation market seeing as the $400 HD2900XT without the advantage of worstation drivers, blows away nV's $2,000 QuadroFX5500, and bests the $4,000 QuadroFX5600.
Now considering that market sells 50-100% more cards at about 100-200% more revenue than the $250+ segment, sound like they will swap places for which one they dominate, and AMD will give up the high end and take the more lucrative and profitable workstation market.
Interesting strategy, but I guess it would be more profitable than just winning the DX9 High end. Sucks for gamers though.
And while we still don't know about DX10, since we're deciding everything based on those benchmarks, it looks like the G80 has terrible geometry capabilities and will once again get back-doored by the new cards. Whoa, that's got GFFX series written all over it by those DailyTech benchies.
But you're right, we should wait for more benchmarks before you do your little dance, cause I have a feelling that it won't take AMD 6 months to get performing drivers for their cards. Hey maybe that's the new product release in 6 months you were talking about. Release the GF80 in November, release the final Drivers in April. Ahhh you should've clarified that, then people would've understood your posts better.
Like I said last time, I'll wait until the final product is in stores and reviewed by the usual quality sites.
If it wasn't for Barcelona AMD would be in serious trouble, but it looks like the R600 XTX won't even be released and if it is, it looks like it runs about the same as the R600 XT does. I don't think drivers are gonna help the R600, because ATi wouldn't have gone out to all the reporters and said the R600 XT won't be able to compete with the G80. I don't believe he was using reverse psychology here either. If they knew it would end up being faster, they would have either said so or said nothing at all. It's more likely that they would have kept silent but since they said this and you look at the benches....there are no drivers that can save it. The price here too is a look into what ATi thinks how it performs. The R600 XT and XTX only performs at the 8800 GTS level though so the GTX is in no danger at all from what I've seen.
Had the R600 blew the G80 away, you can bet that it wouldn't be only $400 or $500! I'm not sure if the rumors are true about the G80 Ultra, but it really looks like they are and Nvidia's gonna release it at close to the $1K price point. I can see why now....they PWN ATi badly! Releasing a card that is only clocked faster and has a new cooler and that's it....that's a serious slap in the face to ATi. It's like their saying...see, we've barely done anything to this card and yeah....that's right....we're selling it at an insane price. What are you gonna do about it....ohhh...that's right...NOTHING.
If I happen to be wrong and seriously doubt it judging from the various sites now that are backing these stories up....I can always send my G80 back, but I don't see that happening at all. Anyway I hope ATi gets their act together next year because I really don't want an Nvidia monopoly again like it was this year, unless we want all new cards from Nvidia being released at the $1k price point and they totally could if they've got no competition!
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Why because their greater revenue and market share in the graphics market is holding them back being the only profitable segment of their markets?
Speculation, but if true, like I said, the XT beat the QFX5600 so, the XTX can do so to in OEM garb, and double AMD's revenue by swapping enthusiast market for workstation market.
We don't even know the context of the statements, like I said before I never expected the R600 to beat the G80 in DX9, I expect it will need DX10 to show any perceptable difference or benefit, but I may be wrong too.
But going based on the FSX statements, it sounds like that's exactly what will do it with the G80 lacking any of the geometry power (as confirmed in the weak Workstation results) to exploit new titles to the same level, so maybe it's not drivers, maybe games like FSX and Crysis are the tiping point. I still never rely on magic drivers to fix stuff, but I also never discount the impact of drivers that have never seen
That's alot to say considering the boost nV finally got in their drivers after 6 months, after countless betas etc to save them from their launch situation. If drivers couldn't save a card, then G80 would still be unuseable in Vista, Right ???
Yeah, except who's going to pay 50% more for a card that only performs a few percent better? Also with the G8800GTX and GF80000Ultra being on 90nm, thos are pretty costly in comparison to a 65nm R6X0, so really they'll be losing more money per chip on the GTS just to make up for anything they could make from a GTX which doesn't sell that much. I'd be more worried about that if I were nV. The GTX is a marquee after-thought, most people who wanted one already have one, not much new revenue to mine for there.
Sure, and from those hadful of card, nV will make what $100-250,000 in revenue from that SKU, it's like the GF7800Ultra all over again, no one will buy one for the 5-10% boost it provides, even the majority of GTX owners will look at them and scoff and say, nah, I'll get the G90 when they finally give me something new, not just something that ships at the clockrates most people have OC'ed to. Of course the Benchmarkers will buy these for any new RAM that's thrown on them because while the cores are the same, better RAM is always nice, so there's your handful of cards there. Not really much to base revenue on, probably the cost of designing the box and shipping out free cards to reviewiers. Heck the advertising for the Ultra will likely out revenue generate into the economy more than the cards themselves.
Support the statement, but not the numbers, and really like I said, the bigger pie is in the workstation market and from those benchies alone, nV's got alot of work to do, especially since you're saying drivers don't fix things like that poor Maya and 3DSmax performance.
I don't expect it to happen with you regardless of what the results were.
What year is that? The last 6 months AMD outsold nV, nV only had the high end market, and 6months before that the high end market was ATi's. Ebb and flow bud, it's always changing. And the biggest change is about to leave nV out in the cold, because while they still move forward in GPUs, their inability to move to X86 without a partner like VIA, will inevitably leave them out of the 'Fusion' style market, and mean that ineviteably it's either jsut AMD vs intel, or just plain intel in the end, that's the real future, not $1000 graphics card, but systems on a chip that sell for the price of all the component combined, without a price break because no competition. They wouldn't be more expensive because in the end, the majority of end users don't care what's inside, they simply by a PC (or MAC) and so the economics of the functional unit come into play, and that stays pretty steady, ever dropping on the price of relatively better performance each year.
Either way the results don't show what you said they would, and your arguments don't even support the future you think is coming, because the market you're talking about is already shrinking, and is soon to be replaced, so the pricing power of even a monopolist is very small.
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This is valuable information, but at this point it would have to be a battle of price and what additional offerings they have built in "Like the 8600gt/gts has advanced HD processing." Which mind you, I was going to jump on the 8000 series. But now, at this point, I wont be able to afford a vid card till june or july, so until that point. I will be looking at what is offered. As it stands my Geforce 7600gs from gigabyte works dandy enough. But I want to move to a dual graphics card system, and I dont want to deal with modded forceware drivers to engauge SLi on my motherboard. But when I come across the cash, the best thing I can get is what will board my machine.
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I'd avoid multi-card setups if you can.
Just get a better card when it comes out. Most times you can sell your card and then put that money towards a better card and still come out ahead.
Look at the GF8600s, buy one now and then buy one later, put them in SLi and you still don't beat the GF8800GTS-320, so what's the point?
Be it AMD or nV, it rarely makes sense to go multi-vpu unless you're at the top of the line at the start and no better options, or by the time you do want to upgrade, someone just plain gives you a card, then it'd be worth it. Otherwise I'd say when the time comes, sell whatever you buy now, and then roll that money into buying the GF8900GS or whatever at the time that probably spanks it in the current games.
Just get a better card when it comes out. Most times you can sell your card and then put that money towards a better card and still come out ahead.
Look at the GF8600s, buy one now and then buy one later, put them in SLi and you still don't beat the GF8800GTS-320, so what's the point?
Be it AMD or nV, it rarely makes sense to go multi-vpu unless you're at the top of the line at the start and no better options, or by the time you do want to upgrade, someone just plain gives you a card, then it'd be worth it. Otherwise I'd say when the time comes, sell whatever you buy now, and then roll that money into buying the GF8900GS or whatever at the time that probably spanks it in the current games.
Why because their greater revenue and market share in the graphics market is holding them back being the only profitable segment of their markets?
Speculation, but if true, like I said, the XT beat the QFX5600 so, the XTX can do so to in OEM garb, and double AMD's revenue by swapping enthusiast market for workstation market.
We don't even know the context of the statements, like I said before I never expected the R600 to beat the G80 in DX9, I expect it will need DX10 to show any perceptable difference or benefit, but I may be wrong too.
But going based on the FSX statements, it sounds like that's exactly what will do it with the G80 lacking any of the geometry power (as confirmed in the weak Workstation results) to exploit new titles to the same level, so maybe it's not drivers, maybe games like FSX and Crysis are the tiping point. I still never rely on magic drivers to fix stuff, but I also never discount the impact of drivers that have never seen
That's alot to say considering the boost nV finally got in their drivers after 6 months, after countless betas etc to save them from their launch situation. If drivers couldn't save a card, then G80 would still be unuseable in Vista, Right ???
Yeah, except who's going to pay 50% more for a card that only performs a few percent better? Also with the G8800GTX and GF80000Ultra being on 90nm, thos are pretty costly in comparison to a 65nm R6X0, so really they'll be losing more money per chip on the GTS just to make up for anything they could make from a GTX which doesn't sell that much. I'd be more worried about that if I were nV. The GTX is a marquee after-thought, most people who wanted one already have one, not much new revenue to mine for there.
Sure, and from those hadful of card, nV will make what $100-250,000 in revenue from that SKU, it's like the GF7800Ultra all over again, no one will buy one for the 5-10% boost it provides, even the majority of GTX owners will look at them and scoff and say, nah, I'll get the G90 when they finally give me something new, not just something that ships at the clockrates most people have OC'ed to. Of course the Benchmarkers will buy these for any new RAM that's thrown on them because while the cores are the same, better RAM is always nice, so there's your handful of cards there. Not really much to base revenue on, probably the cost of designing the box and shipping out free cards to reviewiers. Heck the advertising for the Ultra will likely out revenue generate into the economy more than the cards themselves.
Support the statement, but not the numbers, and really like I said, the bigger pie is in the workstation market and from those benchies alone, nV's got alot of work to do, especially since you're saying drivers don't fix things like that poor Maya and 3DSmax performance.
I don't expect it to happen with you regardless of what the results were.
What year is that? The last 6 months AMD outsold nV, nV only had the high end market, and 6months before that the high end market was ATi's. Ebb and flow bud, it's always changing. And the biggest change is about to leave nV out in the cold, because while they still move forward in GPUs, their inability to move to X86 without a partner like VIA, will inevitably leave them out of the 'Fusion' style market, and mean that ineviteably it's either jsut AMD vs intel, or just plain intel in the end, that's the real future, not $1000 graphics card, but systems on a chip that sell for the price of all the component combined, without a price break because no competition. They wouldn't be more expensive because in the end, the majority of end users don't care what's inside, they simply by a PC (or MAC) and so the economics of the functional unit come into play, and that stays pretty steady, ever dropping on the price of relatively better performance each year.
Either way the results don't show what you said they would, and your arguments don't even support the future you think is coming, because the market you're talking about is already shrinking, and is soon to be replaced, so the pricing power of even a monopolist is very small.
Well AMD might be outselling Nvidia in the workstation market but clearly AMD isn't selling enough because they're in financial trouble to say the least. I don't think they're in Trouble trouble yet, but they're not in as good a shape as Intel and Nvidia is.
On paper the R600 blows away the G80 and I don't think DX10 titles will be any different. The R600 is smaller, has a bigger memory bus (the XTX has more memory) and yeah, it can chew through more geometry, yet the G80 is faster. Even when you O/C the R600 it produces very little results. Assuming the comment that Fuad made about AMD saying the R600 XT cannot compete with the G80 GTX is true, that pretty much ends the discussion and the XTX doesn't seem to fare much better than the XT so the only card that should be able to beat the G80 is the R650 and there's on telling when it will be released.
You talking about Nvidia's drivers not being up to snuff with Vista, and it was true but at least they had a card out...that's more than ATi/AMD had. Also Nvidia's had their full lineup out (midrange and lowend) cards out for 2 months now and AMD has what out?
ATi's AIB's are very unhappy with them and if these results are true (and I believe they are) then they're not going be feeling any better about ATi for a while. The R700 is scheduled to be released in Q1 of 2008. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the earliest it will be released in this time next year and it might not even be out until the end of next year. This is another completely new product and ATi has real problems sticking dates with that. Then again, this is the first new product that AMD will actually be involved in developing so it's possible that they could finally stick a date. If they don't though, it doesn't look good for AMD's new graphic acquisition.
We'll see how Nvidia fares with the G100 and if they stick their dates. I can understand a company missing one, maybe two deadlines but that's about it. ATi's missed 5 or 6 of them and it looks like it's all been in vain according to the numbers. Now if it turns out I'm wrong, I'll admit and I'll be returning my G80 so fast it will make you're head spin, because I get whichever company has the faster card an I really believed it was AMD/ATi until this morning when all these previews and comments came rolling out.
I just got my parts in today...that is my Q6600 Core 2 Quad, Asus P5B-E mobo, 4GB of Corsair PC5400 XMS DDR2 RAM, Corsair HX620 PSU and Windows Vista HP. All I have left is my G80 which will be here on Monday...I can't wait to build this thing! I think I'm gonna put it together this weekend and then use my crappy X300 until Monday when the G80 comes.
Agreed, I prefer single card setups because there's less you have to worry about with incompatibilities and generally the top card is faster than two of the last gen cards put together. Of course two 8800 GTS cards are faster than one 8800 GTX, but it's not like the 2nd card will give you 100% more performance. When they're finally able to get all the performance a 2nd card can give, then I'll start going the way of SLi and Crossfire....until then, I'm very happy with one superfast card!
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All the more reason for them to have good drivers, which they didn't. AMD doesn't have a card out yet, yet you expect mature drivers. Like I said before, it take nV 1-2 month delay to get hardware out, and then 6 more months to get good drivers out, Ati take 6month delay to get hardware out, so I'll give them the 1-2months for the drivers, just seems fair.
WTF have you been smoking? nV has not had their entire lineup out for 2 months.
Seriously once again you need to get your history straight bud, you're screwing up your months again. And since you can't even get your history straight no point in discussing the future with you. :roll:
All the more reason for them to have good drivers, which they didn't. AMD doesn't have a card out yet, yet you expect mature drivers. Like I said before, it take nV 1-2 month delay to get hardware out, and then 6 more months to get good drivers out, Ati take 6month delay to get hardware out, so I'll give them the 1-2months for the drivers, just seems fair.
WTF have you been smoking? nV has not had their entire lineup out for 2 months.
Seriously once again you need to get your history straight bud, you're screwing up your months again. And since you can't even get your history straight no point in discussing the future with you. :roll:
Yeah, the 8600 and their other cards haven't been out for 2 months I guess. I read that somewhere but thinking about it I guess they haven't. They've still got more new cards than ATi has though....that's a fact!
Drivers aren't gonna save ATi this time. I don't think ATi would have come out and made that comment if ATi had a chance. They would have just been silent or defended the R600. They did quite the opposite!
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Yeah makes me question your sources since you obviously don't.
Right now they do, but soon enough they won't. And really are any of those new cards from nVidia segment winners for gaming? Not a one.
The only tangible benefit of the new GF8500 and 8600 cards is for 2D video playback.
And it looks like according to your favourite source Fuad, that the HD2600 will beat it on both counts, while being cheaper to make and cooler running. Sounds like a money maker those HD2600s. Of course that's pre-launch rumours, why would we put any faith in those? I'll wait for the actual benchmarks, you fret over the early rumours again. :roll:
You seem pretty certain for someone who has seen just one set of limited tests that have already been called out as bogus by those who were actually in Tunisia.
And considering your source for your other information maybe you should listen to him on his article yesterday the DT driver isn't the one hat will be the final launch driver;
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=702&Itemid=34
"Radeon HD 2000 generation will get a new driver. Despite that everyone believes that the 8.361 will be the final one there will be another iteration scheduled for May."
Well considering the source of the comment is the same one that said the X2900XT will beat the GF8800GTX, really what credibility does that come with? About the same as your 2 month old GF8600 source.
You actually don't even know what the quote was in reference to could be old game performance or even just 3Dmark, not much reported on that second hand info. Do you have the actual ATi quote or speaker?.
Considering the terrible geomtery performance of the G80 in that DT review, I wouldn't want to buy one for a long term build, you'd only get what few DX9 titles remain to enjoy before wanting to actually use the new geometry features of DX10. You may need to make the most of DX9-only while it lasts. Personally I wouldn't mind mediocre DX9 performance at this stage if it meant better DX10 performance from a part I planned on keeping for more than a few months.
Oh BTW, of course the DT benchmarks could be Bunk like so many people have been saying and maybe the G80 will be fine, we could wait and see, but it's more fun guessing like you. :twisted:
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Nah, that's not it, try again.
Try again, nV is the only one with roots in this town you intel shill.
Whereas you live in the heart of intel's Sales and Marketing;
"Organizations such as the Americas Sales and Marketing and Intel's Information Technology also reside in Folsom."
http://www.intel.com/jobs/usa/sites/Folsom/
Sound familiar? Plus all your references are pretty intel centric so don't really believe you to be an uninvolved party.
BTW, still waiting on that intel discrete graphics? :roll:
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Everytime I get a thread like this the link is ALWAYS broken. What's going on? I can't be the only perosn getting the 404 error.
As far R600 is concerned I wonder if this has anything to do with the leaked benchmarks that came out yesterday or is it just coincidence?
Yeah makes me question your sources since you obviously don't.
Right now they do, but soon enough they won't. And really are any of those new cards from nVidia segment winners for gaming? Not a one.
The only tangible benefit of the new GF8500 and 8600 cards is for 2D video playback.
And it looks like according to your favourite source Fuad, that the HD2600 will beat it on both counts, while being cheaper to make and cooler running. Sounds like a money maker those HD2600s. Of course that's pre-launch rumours, why would we put any faith in those? I'll wait for the actual benchmarks, you fret over the early rumours again. :roll:
You seem pretty certain for someone who has seen just one set of limited tests that have already been called out as bogus by those who were actually in Tunisia.
And considering your source for your other information maybe you should listen to him on his article yesterday the DT driver isn't the one hat will be the final launch driver;
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=702&Itemid=34
"Radeon HD 2000 generation will get a new driver. Despite that everyone believes that the 8.361 will be the final one there will be another iteration scheduled for May."
Well considering the source of the comment is the same one that said the X2900XT will beat the GF8800GTX, really what credibility does that come with? About the same as your 2 month old GF8600 source.
You actually don't even know what the quote was in reference to could be old game performance or even just 3Dmark, not much reported on that second hand info. Do you have the actual ATi quote or speaker?.
Considering the terrible geomtery performance of the G80 in that DT review, I wouldn't want to buy one for a long term build, you'd only get what few DX9 titles remain to enjoy before wanting to actually use the new geometry features of DX10. You may need to make the most of DX9-only while it lasts. Personally I wouldn't mind mediocre DX9 performance at this stage if it meant better DX10 performance from a part I planned on keeping for more than a few months.
Oh BTW, of course the DT benchmarks could be Bunk like so many people have been saying and maybe the G80 will be fine, we could wait and see, but it's more fun guessing like you. :twisted:
I'm not wrong about all the R600 results about ATi. I don't know the actual comment that ATi made? "ATI said in front of 150+ journalists that the R600XT won't be able to compete with the Geforce 8800 GTX. The dream is dead and Radeon HD 2900 XT won't be able to catch up with the six month old Geforce 8800 GTX." http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=703&Itemid=34
Is that better? I even included the URL so you can check my story. WOW...how about that...I was right afterall. And if Fuad made that up, I've yet to hear ANYTHING from AMD that saying to the contrary, or anyone else for that matter, so it's logical to assume that it's the truth. Flat out lies like that tend to be outed pretty quickly...especially something so specific! And yes I believe the HD 2600 will beat the GF8600. If I were in the midrange market, I'd probably go with the HD 2600 XT over the GF 8600 GTS.
I don't think the R600 will catch up with the G80, because if there was ever any hope of that, AMD wouldn't have made that comment. If you recall back in 2005, when the R520 was up against the G70 (ATi was late with that card as well; although not as late as the R600!) there were accusations about one being faster than the other blah blah, but ATi maintained that they were equal even when it seemed at first the G70 was the faster card. And ATi was right if not a little understated. The R520 was not only equal but slightly faster than the G70.
I was actually thinking the same thing about the R600 XT and AMD would release some new drivers to not only match but surpass the G80 until yesterday morning when all that was dashed!
The reason we're "polluting" this thread is because we don't like being called liars. Sure you can be wrong and when I am I admit it, but I don't like it when people claim to be all knowing and they don't want to admit when they're wrong and when they start attacking you.
Maybe you just sit there if you're attacked but I don't. If you don't like it, don't look at the thread, but I'm going to keep responding until the attacks stop or until a mod asks me to period.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be harsh, just explaining my reasons and I imagine beerandcandy's reasons are the same as mine as well.
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