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This is one of the most often heard refrains concerning DX10 cards and one of the easiest to refute. First off, most of these DX10 cards kill DX9 cards in DX9 applications. If you were looking for the best video card right now - you would have to buy the 8800 GTX and it wouldn't matter very much what application you were running on it. Second, if you're buying a video card for a new system build thats going to last you 2 years, and you are a gamer, you just about have to have DX10. FSX (my favorite game) is already working on the DX patch for release in September. I'm building my new computer now and need a graphics card for it...now. I don't want to buy some DX9 only card and realize my favorite game doesn't perform as well as it could because I wasted my money on some outdated DX9 card and need to buy a new video card all over again.
Maybe 6 or 7 months ago, it was reasonable to play the "there are no DX10 games available so who cares about DX10 cards" game. Now, unless you can positively say you never intend to play a DX10 application on your new build, it would be reckless and short sighted to buy anything but a DX10 card to put in your computer. Its important to me to see some good ATI benchmarks because Id like to know whether I should purchase the 8800 GTS now or wait for the 2900 XT. Based on the what I have seen so far, the 2900 XT outperforms the GTS in both single card (a little) and dual card (a lot) configurations. If its priced similar to the GTS and is relatively quiet and cool and available I'll be getting one.
In short - Who cares about DX10? I care about DX10 and everybody putting together a new build should care about it too.
Rob
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This is one of the most often heard refrains concerning DX10 cards and one of the easiest to refute. First off, most of these DX10 cards kill DX9 cards in DX9 applications.
Here is where your logic is flawed. The DX10 cards do better in DX9 applications because of the improvements in the cards themselves. Not because they are DX10 compliant. This is what you would normally expect from a newer generation of GPUs and great cards like the 8800gts.
So stealth brings up a great question, What is the big deal about DX10 cards? Meh...it can help you future bulletproof your system. But is it really necessary? Nope. Most of the DX10 games that come out will be compatible with DX9 at least for a while.
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This is one of the most often heard refrains concerning DX10 cards and one of the easiest to refute. First off, most of these DX10 cards kill DX9 cards in DX9 applications.
Here is where your logic is flawed. The DX10 cards do better in DX9 applications because of the improvements in the cards themselves. Not because they are DX10 compliant. This is what you would normally expect from a newer generation of GPUs and great cards like the 8800gts.
So stealth brings up a great question, What is the big deal about DX10 cards? Meh...it can help you future bulletproof your system. But is it really necessary? Nope. Most of the DX10 games that come out will be compatible with DX9 at least for a while.
Good point...
And to further add to this I would say by the time you get a good number of DX10 games hitting shelves the new set of video cards will be on the horizon. Then start looking for DX11
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I agree. Just saying that hardware changes so quickly and the software takes so long to catch up that I will prob wait a year to get a DX10 card at half the price people are paying now and I will actually be able to enjoy some DX10 games as well.
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Ahh shoulda read this earlier woulda started a long tired day at work on a big laugh. :lol:
Yeah Gold Bikini.
Now just need BluRay copy of Jedi and HD2600 equipped Laptop, and free weekend..... :twisted:
This is one of the most often heard refrains concerning DX10 cards and one of the easiest to refute. First off, most of these DX10 cards kill DX9 cards in DX9 applications. If you were looking for the best video card right now - you would have to buy the 8800 GTX and it wouldn't matter very much what application you were running on it. Second, if you're buying a video card for a new system build thats going to last you 2 years, and you are a gamer, you just about have to have DX10. FSX (my favorite game) is already working on the DX patch for release in September. I'm building my new computer now and need a graphics card for it...now. I don't want to buy some DX9 only card and realize my favorite game doesn't perform as well as it could because I wasted my money on some outdated DX9 card and need to buy a new video card all over again.
Maybe 6 or 7 months ago, it was reasonable to play the "there are no DX10 games available so who cares about DX10 cards" game. Now, unless you can positively say you never intend to play a DX10 application on your new build, it would be reckless and short sighted to buy anything but a DX10 card to put in your computer. Its important to me to see some good ATI benchmarks because Id like to know whether I should purchase the 8800 GTS now or wait for the 2900 XT. Based on the what I have seen so far, the 2900 XT outperforms the GTS in both single card (a little) and dual card (a lot) configurations. If its priced similar to the GTS and is relatively quiet and cool and available I'll be getting one.
In short - Who cares about DX10? I care about DX10 and everybody putting together a new build should care about it too.
Rob
Well said, but I'd like to add something to that as well. While you'll obviously need a DX10 card to play DX10 games, you're also gonna need an OS that supports DX10 and Windows XP is NOT that OS. You HAVE to buy Windows Vista. I bought Vista Home Premium 64-bit and I love it. So far though, most of games seem to work except my favorite of course, which is BF2142. I believe it works with Vista x64, it just doesn't work with current X-Fi drivers right now, but that should be remedied shortly.
I hope that most people who buy Vista will buy the x64 version to help push 64-bit software. You'd be surprised at how many developers are starting to make 64-bit versions of their software now or at least are planning on it. Right now I'm dual booting with XP and Vista x64 and the only thing that is holding me back right now is BF2142. As soon as that's working, I'll fully go to Vista x64. Sorry to get OT.
Anyway as far as cards go, based on early benchmarks, I'd get the R600 XT over a 8800 GTS. I bought the 8800 GTX because I believe it will beat the R600 XT, but then we should all know for sure in a few hours because if the rumors are true, the R600 XT is supposed to be paper launched today and be available on May 14th to buy. It would need to be faster than my G80 for me to return it and get the R600 XT though and right now, I don't see that happening.
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I think that DX10 may be around for a while, but for the other hand I think that seeing this was the first time in a while it was built from the ground up and not just a mod of the previous versions. There may be patches, and in fact there is a possiblity that they may have to release and DX11 later just because of the fact there could be more done with this current make.
This is how I veiw it so I am ok with someone telling me their personal opinion.
But if you were to ask me for my personal opinion. I would have to say that it would be more effecient to get two 8800gts 320meg OC in SLI then it is to spend twice as much for the GTX which practically every test I have seen, shows only performs "in my opinion" only slightly better in SLI.
I may be misinformed, but I was talking with a friend of mine over this and looked at the statistics of the 2007 Dual and Quad setup tests that Tomshardware set up. Now this isn't stopping me to see what prices ATi is going to release but I am hoping that ATi is cheaper but simular performance. In my opinion I just want to see what features they have. Though regardless, I cant afford anything over the 8600gts in SLI so that is the area of performance I am aiming for. I just wish the AW8D motherboard could support Conroe, but I am still happy with my Pentium D 805. It's a little champ. My ram is holding it back from its full potential though. So I may upgrade to partiots extream 1066mhz ram so that I wont have the possibility of being held back by it.
Well without much more rambling that is my post lol.
This is how I veiw it so I am ok with someone telling me their personal opinion.
But if you were to ask me for my personal opinion. I would have to say that it would be more effecient to get two 8800gts 320meg OC in SLI then it is to spend twice as much for the GTX which practically every test I have seen, shows only performs "in my opinion" only slightly better in SLI.
I may be misinformed, but I was talking with a friend of mine over this and looked at the statistics of the 2007 Dual and Quad setup tests that Tomshardware set up. Now this isn't stopping me to see what prices ATi is going to release but I am hoping that ATi is cheaper but simular performance. In my opinion I just want to see what features they have. Though regardless, I cant afford anything over the 8600gts in SLI so that is the area of performance I am aiming for. I just wish the AW8D motherboard could support Conroe, but I am still happy with my Pentium D 805. It's a little champ. My ram is holding it back from its full potential though. So I may upgrade to partiots extream 1066mhz ram so that I wont have the possibility of being held back by it.
Well without much more rambling that is my post lol.
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DX10 has many iterations left, and like DX9.0 - > 9.0C adding SM3.0 , however they will not be DX10.0a or even DX10.1, it will all supposedly be DX10, and simply D3D 10.1 (already pretty much layed out for us) and 10.2, etc. so it's unlikely DX11 will be by anytime soon.
However the 320MB is still a limiting factor in the SLi rig, so at some point your reach diminishing returns, and we're not sure yet the impact of memory size on DX10 apps.
Better to get a single GF8800GTS-320 or 640 than to buy 2 GF8600GTSs, they don't perform well compared to a single GTS-320 even, and together cost as much as a GTS-640.
Unless the prices drop to below $120, then a single GTS-320 is a better choice for the money.
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Depends on how you look at it.
There was alot of talk of DirectX NEXT as it was called.
Then DirectX 9.0B came out and was primarily a security patch but they added stuff to ti. the when it came time to make it Direct X 9.1 instead it became DX9.0C
Not sure what's refered to when people say it's messed up, but then again what thing involving such changes hasn't been messed up to some extend.
the whole DX10 -> WGF - DX10 run-around is a similar example.
There was alot of talk of DirectX NEXT as it was called.
Then DirectX 9.0B came out and was primarily a security patch but they added stuff to ti. the when it came time to make it Direct X 9.1 instead it became DX9.0C
Not sure what's refered to when people say it's messed up, but then again what thing involving such changes hasn't been messed up to some extend.
the whole DX10 -> WGF - DX10 run-around is a similar example.
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I figured that is how it would go up, just like any microsoft thing. But with spacific releases of DX there was some which were quick to move on.
Kinda like this, so what you said made sense to me.
It's true that sometimes rams is what holds something back, but till those DX10 apps come out we can only see what performance we have now. It may be a revolution to get those GTX's when they come out, but as it is, I feel that they aren't worth it so much. We dont want lag, but in game enviroments with LCD monitors dont require the best 130fps, what we want is something that works. Scores and tests are only there to inflate egos lol. Of course I probably stepped out of line for that one because I test all my builds and compare them to simular builds.
I think that for the most time the 8800gts/gtx are still going to be out of my reach, but I am happy seeing the capabilities of the 8600gts's. I may make a rig from them, but I am still hoping ATi releases something decently priced. I wont sell them short yet. I wasn't expecting leap frog here so I am happy as long as it doesn't go nuclear on me lol. "975xchip=good bed fellow with crossfire"
Last I heard, the R600 was slated for a May release but I haven't heard or seen anything since then. It's now May 10th and I have to ask -- are we any closer to seeing the R600 released?
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Areca ARC-1231ML w/2GB Write Back Cache and BBU
WD Caviar RE2 500GB (x4-12)
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HTPC in the works...
Zalman HD160XT
Seasonic M12 700W
Asus P5N32-E SLI
Intel Xeon 3070 2.66Ghz
Patriot 4GB (2GBx2) DDR2-800
Areca ARC-1231ML w/2GB Write Back Cache and BBU
WD Caviar RE2 500GB (x4-12)
ATI R600
Auzentech Prelude 7.1
Plextor PX-755SA 16xDVD+/-R 10xDVD+R DL SATA
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I read once that it would be may 14, some of the lower end R600 builds wont be seen till june. That wasn't here though
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