AMD Radeon R9 300 Series MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[fudgecakes99]

I don't care what you call the 970, it still doesn't change the fact that AMD have just been tarting up their old GPU's and marketing them as new ones for the last couple of generations.

Well new gpu's are relative aren't they? I mean, if we're looking at noticeable gains in fps or number crunching even if it's essentially the same chipset, with a slightly modifications in the physical hardware and big ones in the software. As long as theirs a quantifiable difference in overall quality, from the last generation is it so bad? I mean i get the fact that it's not something entirely different, but as long as you get your moneys worth out of it. You don't necessarily need to know how an internal combustion engine works to drive a car. Though if they are re using old tech, it could also speak volumes that they could've just updated older arch on pre existing chips, for a big performance gains, but chose not to The again that would be indicative of tech in general. Screw it time for pie.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I don't care what you call the 970, it still doesn't change the fact that AMD have just been tarting up their old GPU's and marketing them as new ones for the last couple of generations.

Well new gpu's are relative aren't they? I mean, if we're looking at noticeable gains in fps or number crunching even if it's essentially the same chipset, with a slightly modifications in the physical hardware and big ones in the software. As long as theirs a quantifiable difference in overall quality, from the last generation is it so bad? I mean i get the fact that it's not something entirely different, but as long as you get your moneys worth out of it. You don't necessarily need to know how an internal combustion engine works to drive a car. Though if they are re using old tech, it could also speak volumes that they could've just updated older arch on pre existing chips, for a big performance gains, but chose not to The again that would be indicative of tech in general. Screw it time for pie.

That's just the thing, there are no gains at all when it comes to number crunching with the 380/7950. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was also the case across the board with all of the rebadged GPU's

 

[-Fran-]

That's just the thing, there are no gains at all when it comes to number crunching with the 380/7950. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was also the case across the board with all of the rebadged GPU's

I've always known your bias towards nVidia MM, but please stop. You know pretty darn well nVidia does it every time it can and they will do it when the GPU can still be milked.

Take a card for what it is, not from where it comes from. If Tonga is still able to push pixels and it's spec sheet is up to snuff with the new stuff, why being so annoying about it? If you have a religious thing against rebrands, fine, but keep that hate in check, please.

Cheers!

 

[jerdle]

Indeed, i've been noticing some increased anti-amd sentiment out of mousemonkey recently. Not sure why. Get a faulty card or something?

 

[Mousemonkey]

That's just the thing, there are no gains at all when it comes to number crunching with the 380/7950. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was also the case across the board with all of the rebadged GPU's

I've always known your bias towards nVidia MM, but please stop. You know pretty darn well nVidia does it every time it can and they will do it when the GPU can still be milked.

Take a card for what it is, not from where it comes from. If Tonga is still able to push pixels and it's spec sheet is up to snuff with the new stuff, why being so annoying about it? If you have a religious thing against rebrands, fine, but keep that hate in check, please.

Cheers!

No hate here but if you can't handle me airing my opinion then that's your problem not mine, I can and will continue to air my opinion on the tactics AMD are using.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Whether a card is a rebrand or not does not mean anything. "Rebrand" is a human labeling on an object that means absolutely nothing. It's still a graphics card, it's still silicon rebrand or not.

" it still doesn't change the fact that AMD have just been tarting up their old GPU's and marketing them as new ones for the last couple of generations."

So do you want AMD to put "old GPU" on all the boxes? Why would they market it as an old card? A rebranded card (pardon my labeling) is still a new card. you can argue that anything that is tweaked can be new. Even if you change the name it is new. Rather than worrying about if they are rebrands or how theyt're marketed, we should be focused on performance solely on all graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD.

Nvidia marketed their 4GB GTX 970 without mentioning .5GB is slower. If AMD did that you can only imagine the crap they would have gotten. But when Nvidia does it it's all "Oh well most games won't even use the 3.5GB" or "Well, it still performs just as the benchmarks show" crap.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Indeed, i've been noticing some increased anti-amd sentiment out of mousemonkey recently. Not sure why. Get a faulty card or something?

No, my 380 performs like any other 380/7950 out there.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Whether a card is a rebrand or not does not mean anything. "Rebrand" is a human labeling on an object that means absolutely nothing. It's still a graphics card, it's still silicon rebrand or not.

" it still doesn't change the fact that AMD have just been tarting up their old GPU's and marketing them as new ones for the last couple of generations."

So do you want AMD to put "old GPU" on all the boxes? Why would they market it as an old card? A rebranded card (pardon my labeling) is still a new card. you can argue that anything that is tweaked can be new. Even if you change the name it is new. Rather than worrying about if they are rebrands or how theyt're marketed, we should be focused on performance solely on all graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD.

Nvidia marketed their 4GB GTX 970 without mentioning .5GB is slower. If AMD did that you can only imagine the crap they would have gotten. But when Nvidia does it it's all "Oh well most games won't even use the 3.5GB" or "Well, it still performs just as the benchmarks show" crap.

I'm sure if AMD were to do it you would call it "clever marketing strategy". :lol:

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Whether a card is a rebrand or not does not mean anything. "Rebrand" is a human labeling on an object that means absolutely nothing. It's still a graphics card, it's still silicon rebrand or not.

" it still doesn't change the fact that AMD have just been tarting up their old GPU's and marketing them as new ones for the last couple of generations."

So do you want AMD to put "old GPU" on all the boxes? Why would they market it as an old card? A rebranded card (pardon my labeling) is still a new card. you can argue that anything that is tweaked can be new. Even if you change the name it is new. Rather than worrying about if they are rebrands or how theyt're marketed, we should be focused on performance solely on all graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD.

Nvidia marketed their 4GB GTX 970 without mentioning .5GB is slower. If AMD did that you can only imagine the crap they would have gotten. But when Nvidia does it it's all "Oh well most games won't even use the 3.5GB" or "Well, it still performs just as the benchmarks show" crap.

I'm sure if AMD were to do it you would call it "clever marketing strategy". :lol:

Neh, I wouldn't say that. I'm not biased toward AMD nor Nvidia. I had my 750Ti - great card. Now I own a 390 - great card. I still recommend AMD or Nvidia for different builds on here. I recommend a good amount of GTX 970s still.

I do think though Nvidia should have just made it have 4GB normal speed VRAM. I guess that .5GB really saved them a lot of money? Probably not on the returns they got.

Anyhoo, what do you mousemonkey personally not like about AMD graphics cards (particularly the 300 series)?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Whether a card is a rebrand or not does not mean anything. "Rebrand" is a human labeling on an object that means absolutely nothing. It's still a graphics card, it's still silicon rebrand or not.

" it still doesn't change the fact that AMD have just been tarting up their old GPU's and marketing them as new ones for the last couple of generations."

So do you want AMD to put "old GPU" on all the boxes? Why would they market it as an old card? A rebranded card (pardon my labeling) is still a new card. you can argue that anything that is tweaked can be new. Even if you change the name it is new. Rather than worrying about if they are rebrands or how theyt're marketed, we should be focused on performance solely on all graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD.

Nvidia marketed their 4GB GTX 970 without mentioning .5GB is slower. If AMD did that you can only imagine the crap they would have gotten. But when Nvidia does it it's all "Oh well most games won't even use the 3.5GB" or "Well, it still performs just as the benchmarks show" crap.

I'm sure if AMD were to do it you would call it "clever marketing strategy". :lol:

Neh, I wouldn't say that. I'm not biased toward AMD nor Nvidia. I had my 750Ti - great card. Now I own a 390 - great card. I still recommend AMD or Nvidia for different builds on here. I recommend a good amount of GTX 970s still.

I do think though Nvidia should have just made it have 4GB normal speed VRAM. I guess that .5GB really saved them a lot of money? Probably not on the returns they got.

Anyhoo, what do you mousemonkey personally not like about AMD graphics cards (particularly the 300 series)?

If you really understood why the 970 exists you wouldn't have to ask that question! :lol: I know why the 970 exists hence why I'm not bothered by the 3.5/4GB issue.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I'm not really bothered by it since I don't own a 970 😛 The way I see Nvidia's strategy is by having the 970 for $330 and the 960 for $200 and leaving a large gap between. That will make people looking for a $200-300 card think, "Well, I don't really want the struggling 960, so I'll spend the extra $130 and just get the 970."

Obviously the purpose of the 970 is to make money.

Also, I just want to say that there's a big difference when it comes to AMD's older GPU arch compared to their CPUs. Their CPUs don't really compete while their GPUs do.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I'm not really bothered by it since I don't own a 970 😛 The way I see Nvidia's strategy is by having the 970 for $330 and the 960 for $200 and leaving a large gap between. That will make people looking for a $200-300 card think, "Well, I don't really want the struggling 960, so I'll spend the extra $130 and just get the 970."

Obviously the purpose of the 970 is to make money.

Also, I just want to say that there's a big difference when it comes to AMD's older GPU arch compared to their CPUs. Their CPUs don't really compete while their GPUs do.

The purpose of all products is to make money but that is not always why a certain product exists.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I'm not really bothered by it since I don't own a 970 😛 The way I see Nvidia's strategy is by having the 970 for $330 and the 960 for $200 and leaving a large gap between. That will make people looking for a $200-300 card think, "Well, I don't really want the struggling 960, so I'll spend the extra $130 and just get the 970."

Obviously the purpose of the 970 is to make money.

Also, I just want to say that there's a big difference when it comes to AMD's older GPU arch compared to their CPUs. Their CPUs don't really compete while their GPUs do.

The purpose of all products is to make money but that is not always why a certain product exists.

Okay... So are you going to say why or keep building suspense? 😛

 

[Mousemonkey]

I'm not really bothered by it since I don't own a 970 😛 The way I see Nvidia's strategy is by having the 970 for $330 and the 960 for $200 and leaving a large gap between. That will make people looking for a $200-300 card think, "Well, I don't really want the struggling 960, so I'll spend the extra $130 and just get the 970."

Obviously the purpose of the 970 is to make money.

Also, I just want to say that there's a big difference when it comes to AMD's older GPU arch compared to their CPUs. Their CPUs don't really compete while their GPUs do.

The purpose of all products is to make money but that is not always why a certain product exists.

Okay... So are you going to say why or keep building suspense? 😛

Just do some research into how GPU's and CPU's are made and all will be revealed.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I'm not really bothered by it since I don't own a 970 😛 The way I see Nvidia's strategy is by having the 970 for $330 and the 960 for $200 and leaving a large gap between. That will make people looking for a $200-300 card think, "Well, I don't really want the struggling 960, so I'll spend the extra $130 and just get the 970."

Obviously the purpose of the 970 is to make money.

Also, I just want to say that there's a big difference when it comes to AMD's older GPU arch compared to their CPUs. Their CPUs don't really compete while their GPUs do.

The purpose of all products is to make money but that is not always why a certain product exists.

Okay... So are you going to say why or keep building suspense? 😛

Just do some research into how GPU's and CPU's are made and all will be revealed.

I already have researched how CPUs are manufactured. I don't see GPU manufacturing any differently, nor does it answer it. And why can you not give a straight answer? Sorry but it's a personal pet peeve when someone answers my questions with riddles.

 

[Eggz]

Sorry but it's a personal pet peeve when someone answers my questions with riddles.

Translation: Please troll me with more riddles.

 

[gaolinde]

I am running asus strix fury crossfire in 4k, I would say this setup is qualify for 4k gaming already. Full settings in 4k and fps almost never drop below 60 in crysis3 and gta5, not strong enough to enable msaa without sacrifice a little smoothness though.

 

[Bossyfins]

I personally would never get a fury.

Either a fury x or 980 ti.

Fury is just so close to its successor

 

[renz496]

I know some people have no problem with rebrands but the issue here not the hardware itself. But people stance. You see when nvidia did it before they got bashed. A lot. But when AMD did it even to a level that nvidia never did it before the same people that bashing nvidia now suddenly say that it was a brilliant strategy and defending AMD action in that. They say there is no need to make a whole new chip if you can get the same performance fom old chip.

 

[renz496]

so my prediction is slightly off.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9815/amd-moves-radeon-hd-5000-6000-series-to-legacy-status-all-pregraphics-core-next-gpus-now-retired

 

[fudgecakes99]

Well i guess i'm glad i still have a 7950 3gb edition. That said, having minor performance boosts are kind of indicative of the pc market in general. I wouldn't say a 380 is worse then a 7950, but i wouldn't say it's that much better either. Considering amd's in a pretty big financial hole currently i kind of have to applaud them for not doing a crappier job. Eh i think they get a pass.

 

[Vogner16]

MM forget it being a rebrand. its a gpu for a $ amount. does it perform as it should for its cost? yes.

You claim to have a 270x for F@H and now you have a 380 as well but only seem to bash the products. why keep buying them? I haven't gotten a gpu since my 7870CF and recently a used 7970. simply because I found the perf to cost to be great. I don't care if the box was dusty and said old gpu on it (got it from an ebayer who didn't even include the box). I know the 7970 came out 4 years ago. Its still faster than a 960 and I paid $130 for it. Done. Rebrand or not it does not matter. Instead of buying that 380 you perhaps should have gotten a 7950 on ebay for $100 if you didn't think the updated cooler and driver support was worth the extra cost.

the 380 does have more features than the 7950, and is faster. mostly due to faster ram.

 

[Embra]

Radeon Software Crimson Edition download:

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/enhanced-media/radeon-software?ipromo=RSCE-page

 

[renz496]

MM forget it being a rebrand. its a gpu for a $ amount. does it perform as it should for its cost? yes.

You claim to have a 270x for F@H and now you have a 380 as well but only seem to bash the products. why keep buying them? I haven't gotten a gpu since my 7870CF and recently a used 7970. simply because I found the perf to cost to be great. I don't care if the box was dusty and said old gpu on it (got it from an ebayer who didn't even include the box). I know the 7970 came out 4 years ago. Its still faster than a 960 and I paid $130 for it. Done. Rebrand or not it does not matter. Instead of buying that 380 you perhaps should have gotten a 7950 on ebay for $100 if you didn't think the updated cooler and driver support was worth the extra cost.

the 380 does have more features than the 7950, and is faster. mostly due to faster ram.

well because people keep touting that AMD GCN is better when it comes to nvidia in compute and they are King when it comes to OpenCL?

 

[Mousemonkey]

MM forget it being a rebrand. its a gpu for a $ amount. does it perform as it should for its cost? yes.

You claim to have a 270x for F@H and now you have a 380 as well but only seem to bash the products. why keep buying them? I haven't gotten a gpu since my 7870CF and recently a used 7970. simply because I found the perf to cost to be great. I don't care if the box was dusty and said old gpu on it (got it from an ebayer who didn't even include the box). I know the 7970 came out 4 years ago. Its still faster than a 960 and I paid $130 for it. Done. Rebrand or not it does not matter. Instead of buying that 380 you perhaps should have gotten a 7950 on ebay for $100 if you didn't think the updated cooler and driver support was worth the extra cost.

the 380 does have more features than the 7950, and is faster. mostly due to faster ram.

When did I ever claim that? Please post proof. And I can buy whatever I want thank you very much and I don't have to justify my purchases to you or anyone else.