AMD RDNA 4 and Radeon RX 9000-series GPUs: Specifications, release date, pricing, and more revealed

[salgado18]

On another thread, I said that AMD did a Ryzen move when Intel lauched mediocre products and AMD launched strong ones.

If those RT, AI and FSR4 predictions are as good as they seem to be, and considering Nvidia's 5000 series basically being a bigger version of the previous gen, then these cards may bring AMD back to the market share game.

 

[-Fran-]

Well, well, well. Colour me surprised as AMD actually read the room... At least on one card, LOL.

I think this is a "fair" trade off between wanting to price them closer to nVidia and just convincing the board they're not just giving stuff for free to consumers (i.e: making them lose money). The 9070 non-XT is a tough pill* to swallow for now, but let's see how it stacks up against the 5070 when it releases.

Also, I wonder what nVidia will do next. This is aggressive from AMD, so I'm expecting nVidia to not stay "quiet" about this.

My bingo card on "nVidia's counter" has:
1- Editorial "alignment" for reviews.
2- Unreasonable expectations on FSR4 vs DLSS4.
3- The maligned "Framegen is performance" narrative.
4- The "Super" generation the next quarter to correct pricing and expectations.
5- AI money to come save GeForce from this bad press.

Come on, you all know those can happen.

Regards.

 

[shady28]

Not sure why we still talk in terms of MSRP. That's a pipe dream, You can't buy a 5070 Ti for $750.

 

[usertests]

4- The "Super" generation the next quarter to correct pricing and expectations.

A Super series this soon would be extremely aggressive. The first thing they can do is increase supply, lowering prices closer to MSRP. If AMD somehow experiences huge demand (lolno), that alleviates the Nvidia demand.

 

[JamesJones44]

Did they mention stock and availability

The TSMC N4 nodes (4, 4p, 4e, etc.) are used for a lot of different products. I would assume it will be like most products coming off those nodes unless TSMC has expanded their N4 capacity in big ways. Arizona is ramping up, so maybe.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

So, they got the price mostly correct. Although, the $50 difference between the two models is weird. Generally, the lower tier cards should be at the same or better price-for-performance mark, but the 9070 appears to be slightly worse than the 9070 XT. Maybe, internally, there was a last-minute price drop on just the XT model...?

Many believe that availability will be much better than NVIDIA's 5000-series cards. Stores have had decent stock on these cards for over a month now. If AMD can keep shipping large quantities after March 6th, consumers have a much better chance of getting the cards at actual MSRP, or just a bit more. (standard $50-150 AiB partner tax)

The specs are quite similar. 9070 has 56 CUs compared to 64 on the 9070 XT. That's 12.5% less cores, but the same VRAM capacity and bandwidth. Of course, the 220W vs 304W could have a big impact on performance. In general, though, I agree: the 9070 price feels too close to the 9070 XT. Either the XT should have a $649 price tag, or the 9070 should have a $499 price.

I'll believe the availability stuff when these launch and then they don't immediately sell out. Considering the lack of availability for RDNA 3 GPUs these days, I think AMD and its partners will sell every RDNA 4 card produced in short order. Plus, AMD typically seems to produce about 10~15 percent of the number of GPUs Nvidia produces. So, if there were tens of thousands of 5070 Ti cards sold (which is possible), AMD might only have half of that available, even after two extra months. But no one is giving hard numbers on the total number of cards shipped.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Almost spat out my tea 😂

Same! 🤣

 

[joartrak]

I am confident they do have some stock in place at retailers but looking at the time frame with Chinese new year, inventory availability from Nvidia and Intel (B580 released back in December and still out of stock minus the upcharged prices from others) this could be a one off day where everything is gone day 1 and then we are left again, with high prices and lack of availability.

It's a worst case scenario and it sounds horrible but it's also a possibility that should be considered. It's been several years since gpus got priced in a manner that was not so out of this world, as well as being available on a shelf or online when you wanted to get one. The frustration from Covid was annoying sure, then the miners, and now the AI boom. Are we just going to have to accept that those days are long gone and now every launch is just going to be painful with older cards dropping from production and shooting up in price along with the releases?

Ooof. Sorry for the long rant <3 Thanks for keeping my Friday going!

 

[Syntaximus]

Praise Jebuz, AMD listened! Looks like the 9070XT will be my next card (it has been a while).
Shenanigans on the 9070 though, that's the same kind of move they pulled with the 7900XT.

 

[lmcnabney]

The 8% discount for dropping from the 9070X to 9070 is puzzling. Not a big savings when giving up:
12% of your SMs
13% of your shaders, AI cores, and RT cores
15% of your boost clock

I am just spitballing, but I suspect the 9070 will put up about 75% the performance of the XT. To scale price/performance the 9070 should be closer to $450 than $550.

 

[lmcnabney]

Praise Jebuz, AMD listened! Looks like the 9070XT will be my next card (it has been a while).
Shenanigans on the 9070 though, that's the same kind of move they pulled with the 7900XT.

Hey, I have a 7900XT. However I paid $675 for it almost 2 years ago.

 

[King_V]

I think the vanilla 9070 should have been 500, maybe 475. I'm good with the price of the XT card. That seems reasonable. But if I'm spending 550, why wouldn't I spend another 50 for the step up?

I wonder if it's because, hardware-wise, it might be a 5600 XT vs 5700 non-XT situation, where the former was nipping at the heels of the latter after they had the VRAM speed increase. EDIT: side note, when looking for an RX 5600 XT for my son, I wound up getting an RX 5700 (MSI Evoke OC) because after rebate it was cheaper than any 5600 XT I could find.

Given the specs shown, I wonder if the 9070 is only some judicious overclocking away from the 9070 XT.

But overall, I would say based on the nvidia launches, if AMD has a lot of stock of these things and can keep the AIBs in line on prices, these should sell like hotcakes. If those 2 things are true, they have potential for another RX 480 moment.

Absolutely, and that's definitely what AMD should be shooting for, I think. They mentioned no longer chasing the halo cards back then, and that mass-market appeal worked well. Another Polaris moment would do a lot for AMD, and they have a much better opportunity given Nvidia's multiple self-owns with Blackwell.

Hopefully that's why there were delays - they wanted to stockpile more inventory. I really hope they're up to the demand.

 

[mhmarefat]

Also, I wonder what nVidia will do next. This is aggressive from AMD, so I'm expecting nVidia to not stay "quiet" about this.

My bingo card on "nVidia's counter" has:
1- Editorial "alignment" for reviews.

They already have that:

In theory, the RX 9070 XT goes up against RTX 5070 Ti and the RX 9070 takes on the vanilla RTX 5070. In practice? We'll have to see where they land. I'm guessing, based on specs, that the 5070 Ti will end up being a bit faster overall, while the 9070 will likely beat the 5070. Memory capacity and bandwidth as a proxy for overall performance potential, combined with TFLOPS, usually gives a pretty decent estimate. So...

AMD will "likely" beat Nvidia, while Nvidia will "end up being faster" than AMD.

Also imagine comparing 9070 vs 5070 and not mentioning the 12 GB VRAM elephant in the room.

AMD has done their part. It is now up to gamers to either allow Nvidia get away with their fake prices for their fake frames, or say no and go to the alternative.

 

[King_V]

Almost spat out my tea 😂

Oh, look at Mister Fancy Rich guy who can afford tea . . in THIS economy??? 😆 😆

 

[palladin9479]

My bingo card on "nVidia's counter" has:
1- Editorial "alignment" for reviews.
2- Unreasonable expectations on FSR4 vs DLSS4.
3- The maligned "Framegen is performance" narrative.
4- The "Super" generation the next quarter to correct pricing and expectations.
5- AI money to come save GeForce from this bad press.

NVidia as a company won't give a darn since they make almost all their money from data center AI GPUs. Jensen Huang OTOH really likes being "king" of the gamers and might decide to sacrifice some data center earnings to "fix" nVidia's reputation amongst gamers.

 

[helper800]

In theory, the RX 9070 XT goes up against RTX 5070 Ti and the RX 9070 takes on the vanilla RTX 5070. In practice? We'll have to see where they land. I'm guessing, based on specs, that the 5070 Ti will end up being a bit faster overall, while the 9070 will likely beat the 5070. Memory capacity and bandwidth as a proxy for overall performance potential, combined with TFLOPS, usually gives a pretty decent estimate. So...

5070 Ti: 44 TFLOPS, 16GB, 896 GB/s
5070: 31 TFLOPS, 12GB, 672 GB/s
9070 XT: 49 TFLOPS, 16GB, 640 GB/s
9070: 36 TFLOPS, 16GB, 640 GB/s

Nvidia usually gets higher real-world performance relative to TFLOPS than AMD, so having more bandwidth means it should come out ahead as well. The reduction in VRAM on the 5070 is probably going to hurt a lot in quite a few games.

If I had to guess I would assume the 9070 XT will end up 5-10% slower in raster than the 5070 ti at 1440p.

 

[SSGBryan]

The performance drop is more than the price drop. Nobody should buy it, even if they want to save a few bucks or want the lower power envelope. Just Wait™.

Budget gamers should probably look to whatever the 9060/9050 end up being.

Or get a b580.....

 

[SSGBryan]

A Super series this soon would be extremely aggressive. The first thing they can do is increase supply, lowering prices closer to MSRP. If AMD somehow experiences huge demand (lolno), that alleviates the Nvidia demand.

3gb vram chips are coming this summer, which could get a Super refresh.

 

[-Fran-]

A Super series this soon would be extremely aggressive. The first thing they can do is increase supply, lowering prices closer to MSRP. If AMD somehow experiences huge demand (lolno), that alleviates the Nvidia demand.

Oh, I mean that as announcing them. Next Quarter for any kind of release is virtually impossible, I'd say. An announcement though, not much.

They only need to say they'll do it and then take back current inventory to re-label the boxes. Keep in mind, nVidia has done this before... At least twice, but one I remember distinctly: 9800GT -> GTS250. The other may have been the GTX560 with the shader count differences?

NVidia as a company won't give a darn since they make almost all their money from data center AI GPUs. Jensen Huang OTOH really likes being "king" of the gamers and might decide to sacrifice some data center earnings to "fix" nVidia's reputation amongst gamers.

The second part of what you said is precisely why nVidia doesn't lower prices or apologises for anything. Jensen, wether I like it or not, wants to have the gaming market. The reason why CUDA is where its at, is because of how he put cards in the hands of students and other CS people in the early days. He can't stop "incubation", as that has been his biggest win, hands down.

Regards.

 

[valthuer]

Glad to see AMD are keeping their prices grounded in reality.

Hope they grab some much needed market share, so they'll be encouraged to return to high-end, some time in the future.

 

[valthuer]

Plus, AMD typically seems to produce about 10~15 percent of the number of GPUs Nvidia produces. So, if there were tens of thousands of 5070 Ti cards sold (which is possible), AMD might only have half of that available, even after two extra months. But no one is giving hard numbers on the total number of cards shipped.

Sorry to bother you about this Jarred, and i know it's a bit early to ask, but have there been any rumours of a possible RTX-50 series refresh happening later this year?

 

[helper800]

Glad to see AMD are keeping their prices grounded in reality.

Hope they grab some much needed market share, so they'll be encouraged to return to high-end, some time in the future.

Its a shame AMD decided to pull out of the high end this gen, they had been catching NVidia's high end for two generations. I feel AMD could create a 5090 competitor if they wanted to, but it would not be a profitable endeavor. The 7970 was the last AMD card that was better than Nvidia's best effort and it's been ~14 years since...

 

[thestryker]

Classic upsell tactic that they've done before with the 7700/7900 XT. They will eat the Day 1 bad reviews for 9070 non-XT, and the prices will drop to $450-500 later.

Oh I know why they'd do it, but it's absolutely a bad thing if your goal is market share. For whatever reason AMD still hasn't grasped the importance of that initial impression.

 

[mhmarefat]

I think it's as simple as AMD finding out XT wasn't on par with Ti's perf (after acquiring Ti samples to test), and lowering XT's MSRP at the 11th hour. AMD did the same with 7600 vs 4060. (Credit to D. Owen who pointed this out in his video below.)

What is this? AMD is bringing 4k gaming to mainstream is what is happening. AMD not being out of touch with reality, not being blinded by greed and actually caring about the gamers is what is happening.

Gamers now have access to 4k gaming at $599. Something that Nvidia and its die-hards would not like to see.

Those 1%ers who are happy to pay $3k for 5090 if that's what it takes to be "above everybody else" do not like what is happening.

 

[Gururu]

>I miss the days when $2 got me a dozen eggs! And two pounds of cheese was $5. And 12-packs of soda could be found on sale regularly for $2. And...

We'll miss a whole lot more than those once the Canada & Mexico tariffs kick in.

That's nothing compared to what's going to happen when we stop vaccinating our livestock... There will be milk and egg shortages up the wazoo.