AMD RDNA 4 and Radeon RX 9000-series GPUs: Specifications, release date, pricing, and more revealed

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helper800 said:
Its a shame AMD decided to pull out of the high end this gen, they had been catching NVidia's high end for two generations. I feel AMD could create a 5090 competitor if they wanted to, but it would not be a profitable endeavor. The 7970 was the last AMD card that was better than Nvidia's best effort and it's been ~14 years since...
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I hear ya.

I'm a high-end gamer myself and the only reason i've opted for 4090 in 2023 and 5090 this year, is because AMD have no better alternative for people like me.

If they did, i'd switch sides in a heartbeat.

IMHO, they should still try to create a better flagship: not for the sake of sales - the market for this kind of GPUs is miniscule anyways - but for sending a message they can still be competitive and that Nvidia is
NOT always the best, no matter what.
 
Well this is a solid step in the right direction...

I would have liked to see the RX 9070 for less. Its clearly an up sell tactic and I wish AMD had thought twice about it. This gen should be about mind share alone. Had AMD separated those cards by 120 dollars it would be a huge win for gamers while helping AMD regain that desperately needed mind share. Think if AMD had a RTX 5070 (549 msrp card..cough) competitor at 479 in the RX 9070 and a 5070 TI (750 msrp card..cough cough) competitor at 599 in the RX 9070 XT...it would be hard to recommend Nvidia at all in the mid range, assuming performance claims are close to reality.

I get why AMD did what they did but I think the RX 9070 pricing is a misstep in what could have been a near guanteed blood bath for the first time in years in favor of AMD. Not to say it won't be in time. Especialy if AMD drops prices quickly on the lower end SKU AND has quantity in stock to further hammer Nvidia for a paper launch. I am watching with interest for the first time in what feels like a decade...oh wait it has been that long, nevermind.
 
valthuer said:
Yep.

It was "only" 2011, when i bought MSi Radeon HD 6950, for roughly 300$, flashed its BIOS, and turned it into a 6970, which was probably the second best card at that time.
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On the Radeon side maybe but not on Nvidia.

And this pricing is USD. I'm in canada you were not getting anything highend for $300 CAD back then.

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helper800 said:
Do you think there is any reason for AMD to rerelease the 9000 series cards with GDDR7 chips at a higher price?
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Reasons? Sure. It wants to actually compete with Nvidia at the very high-end (RTX 5080 / 5090 level).

But does it have a GDDR7 controller it can quickly incorporate into an RDNA 4 design? Would the potential sales justify the cost of doing so? Will it do a bigger RDNA 4 or is Navi 48 as big as it gets? I'm guessing the answer to all of those is "no."

I don't think you can do a controller that supports both GDDR6 and GDDR7 without bloating the die size for the IMC quite a bit. That AMD chose not to have GDDR7 on Navi 48 for this launch to me implies it doesn't support it at all. So it would need a fully new IMC design that ditches GDDR6 in favor of GDDR7. Maybe that's not too difficult, but then all the rest of the chip would need to be tweaked to deal with the different latencies and speeds of GDDR7.

Respinning Navi 48 to get GDDR7 support would be crazy IMO. Better to make a larger chip (Navi 49?) that can use the additional bandwidth. But to do that you would need to intend to make a larger chip. All talk out of AMD so far suggests Navi 48 will be its top RDNA 4 solution and we'll need RDNA 5 (UDNA 1?) to get a true successor to Navi 31 and the 7900 XTX.
 
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AMD's RDNA 4 architecture and RX 9000-series GPUs launch March 6, beginning with the mainstream to high-end 9070 and 9070 XT. The new chips come with significantly improved ray tracing and AI hardware and should provide Nvidia's RTX 50-series some much-needed competition.

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When does the embargo lift on benchmarks? From what I understand reviewers have had the cards for quite a while now.
 
If the prices can stick close to MSRP these are compelling options. I like that AMD has improved their upscaling. That is one big advantage that Nvidia is now partially losing.
My guess is the 9070xt will sell out right away and there will be some 9070s left for those that miss out on the initial availability. Hopefully there is a reliable way to feed more power into the 9070s for those who want to do so at least some of the times. If there is then the $550 won't be that bad a deal.
 
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SSGBryan said:
Or get a b580.....
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That is an irrelevant paper launched meme card, so no.
SSGBryan said:
3gb vram chips are coming this summer, which could get a Super refresh.
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They already have the chips, they are used in the laptop 5090. I just don't think Nvidia will do a Super refresh anytime soon when they haven't even launched the 5070, 5060 Ti, and 5060 yet.

What might be smart is to wait to launch the 5060 Ti or 5060 with 12 GB using 3 GB GDDR7. Don't even call it a Super. Leaks currently point to a 16 GB and 8 GB 5060 Ti, so that's probably not getting 12 GB.
 
Off topic but one thing that frustrates me is scalpers. Hopped on Facebook marketplace and a dude has a 5070ti he got from Microcenter. You can see on his receipt they paid a little over 1k, but he’s asking 1500. Too bad they don’t have a way to control that stuff. I get trying to make a buck but sadly people will likely pay the extra. Double what the card should really cost.
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
Off topic but one thing that frustrates me is scalpers. Hopped on Facebook marketplace and a dude has a 5070ti he got from Microcenter. You can see on his receipt they paid a little over 1k, but he’s asking 1500. Too bad they don’t have a way to control that stuff. I get trying to make a buck but sadly people will likely pay the extra. Double what the card should really cost.
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The cards really cost whatever people are willing to purchase them for.
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
Off topic but one thing that frustrates me is scalpers. Hopped on Facebook marketplace and a dude has a 5070ti he got from Microcenter. You can see on his receipt they paid a little over 1k, but he’s asking 1500. Too bad they don’t have a way to control that stuff. I get trying to make a buck but sadly people will likely pay the extra. Double what the card should really cost.
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Yeah, the frustration of this has been going on for years now. I can understand here and there but the consistency of this every cycle is just annoying. The companies are definitely aware of it but they have only done so much.

Lots of patience and not giving up entirely does pay off at least at some point.
 
helper800 said:
Do you think there is any reason for AMD to rerelease the 9000 series cards with GDDR7 chips at a higher price?
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In addition to Jarred's reasons, sticking with GDDR6 can definitely help with 9070 supply. If AMD was using GDDR7 on the 9000-series cards they would be fighting NVIDIA for available GDDR7.

Enthusiast models of the 9070 XTs could will probably have better quality/binned RAM chips, allowing for better VRAM clocks. Heck, my 7900 XTX runs at 3GHz core and 2.7GHz VRAM clocks, significantly faster than the 7900 XTX spec.
 
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Depending on supply, as well as performance, the RDNA 4 series should be worth the price AMD is asking.
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Well the 5070Ti gives you 4k60 or 1080p120 without ray tracing (per TH's review) for $750 (MSRP), so if AMD does that performance for $600 (MSRP), that's not exactly the greatest value in the world, especially since it's -just- giving that performance so you'll have to cut details before the warranty is expired to keep getting those numbers on newer games.

Personally I think it's extremely poor value. 6 years ago with the 2070 Super for $500 we had the same kind of performance levels, now we pay $200 more for it, and by this rate in 2030 it'll be $1000 for 4k60/1080p120. Imagine if every other computer component worked that way.
 
The 5070 Series should have been a 5060 series. So any competitor of a 5070 series, aka 9070 are just nvdia's should-have-been 60 series equivalent posing as 70 series. The 599 asking price for these should-have-been 60 series cards are high. 525 and 450 would have been the right price including inflation.

Given 5070Ti vs 9070XT at 150$ difference, I would still go with nvidia, considering how well they improve thier software stack over time. That 3X fake frames will get better over time, just like how DLSS improved over time compared to the original version that came with 2xxx cards.

I have a 3080Ti released almost 4 years ago and there is still nothing worthwhile from AMD to upgrade to for another 2 years. I have been jumping ships between nvidia and AMD since 2000 and want to give AMD another chance for their GPUs, but they dont want to do it.

What would they lose if they released a 96CU GPU with 24 Gigs of memory and called it a 9080XT? It would have beaten the shit out of a 5080 and would have forced nvidia to release a 5080Ti even. Oh wait, wafer issues, not enough wafers - The life of AMD. Bid the wafers, build the products and sell them at good price and win the market share back.
 
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vinay2070 said:
The 5070 Series should have been a 5060 series. So any competitor of a 5070 series, aka 9070 are just nvdia's should-have-been 60 series equivalent posing as 70 series. The 599 asking price for these should-have-been 60 series cards are high. 525 and 450 would have been the right price including inflation.

Given 5070Ti vs 9070XT at 150$ difference, I would still go with nvidia, considering how well they improve thier software stack over time. That 3X fake frames will get better over time, just like how DLSS improved over time compared to the original version that came with 2xxx cards.

I have a 3080Ti released almost 4 years ago and there is still nothing worthwhile from AMD to upgrade to for another 2 years. I have been jumping ships between nvidia and AMD since 2000 and want to give AMD another chance for their GPUs, but they dont want to do it. What would they lose if they released a 96CU GPU with 24 Gigs of memory and called it a 9080XT? It would have beaten the shit out of a 5080 and would have forced nvidia to release a 5080Ti even.
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And you will wait more two years, at least...
Amd it's now a enterprise hardware maker...
Pray for the Deer god for yours 3080TI to last forever!
 
AMD priced to play. If this works out as Nvidia has abandoned the consumer market on anything but paper only I. Terms of availability this might leave the opening for AMd to punch through. The price is right make sure this card available and well … a competent halo product may not be too far off!
 
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