AMD RDNA 4 and Radeon RX 9000-series GPUs: Specifications, release date, pricing, and more revealed

[shady28]

The specs are quite similar. 9070 has 56 CUs compared to 64 on the 9070 XT. That's 12.5% less cores, but the same VRAM capacity and bandwidth. Of course, the 220W vs 304W could have a big impact on performance. In general, though, I agree: the 9070 price feels too close to the 9070 XT. Either the XT should have a $649 price tag, or the 9070 should have a $499 price.

I'll believe the availability stuff when these launch and then they don't immediately sell out. Considering the lack of availability for RDNA 3 GPUs these days, I think AMD and its partners will sell every RDNA 4 card produced in short order. Plus, AMD typically seems to produce about 10~15 percent of the number of GPUs Nvidia produces. So, if there were tens of thousands of 5070 Ti cards sold (which is possible), AMD might only have half of that available, even after two extra months. But no one is giving hard numbers on the total number of cards shipped.

None of that is gonna happen though, and everyone knows it. Why talk like we are in some centrally planned economy, where prices are fixed and the only thing that matters is who gets to the front of the line before supply sells out. A 5070 Ti is not selling for $750, and these cards won't sell for under $600 either.

I mean, If you were a retailer and had 10 5070 Ti's that you paid $650 for (assuming that's what the wholesale price is), would you sell them for $750? You'd be crazy to do that when you can easily get $1200 for them right now.

 

[King_V]

Well the 5070Ti gives you 4k60 or 1080p120 without ray tracing (per TH's review) for $750 (MSRP), so if AMD does that performance for $600 (MSRP), that's not exactly the greatest value in the world, especially since it's -just- giving that performance so you'll have to cut details before the warranty is expired to keep getting those numbers on newer games.

Personally I think it's extremely poor value. 6 years ago with the 2070 Super for $500 we had the same kind of performance levels, now we pay $200 more for it, and by this rate in 2030 it'll be $1000 for 4k60/1080p120. Imagine if every other computer component worked that way.

I'm sorry, but what exactly does this all even mean? The AMD isn't a good value if it gives the same performance for 20% less, but somehow the Nvidia card is? And I really can't figure out what you're trying to say about the warranty.

And somehow, are you saying the 2070 gives the same performance as the 9070 RX and 5070 Ti?

What??

 

[Amdlova]

And somehow, are you saying the 2070 gives the same performance as the 9070 RX and 5070 Ti?

What??

I think he trying to say the RTX 2070 has a price of 500usd and nowadays the 5070ti has more price for same performance in games. Aka 2070 in 2019 4k/60 fps or 1080p at 120 fps
And now we have the 5070ti (4080) ops sorry (4080 Super) barely hitting 120 fps in 1080p or 4k 60 fps.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

When does the embargo lift on benchmarks? From what I understand reviewers have had the cards for quite a while now.

March 5 for MSRP, 6 for non-MSRP. Basically the same story as what normally happens. Nvidia is one day earlier.

 

[helper800]

March 5 for MSRP, 6 for non-MSRP. Basically the same story as what normally happens. Nvidia is one day earlier.

Are you in the review trenches with them right now? Did they release multiple review drivers on you since you got them?

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Are you in the review trenches with them right now? Did they release multiple review drivers on you since you got them?

Yes to the first, no to the second — only one driver for each company so far.

 

[Alex/AT]

What I do personally want is some card on par with 4090 (or very close) in terms of performance.
Then I'll safely sell my 4090 to some nV fanboy/miner and switch back to AMD as nV is a disaster.
Pity AMD stopped releasing cards over low budget level though.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I am not for or against Nvidia but as Steve Burke has recently said on his YouTube channel, Nvidia has made a mess of things even more so than with their 4000 series. My gamer brain says buy an RTX 5080 and I will be happy but if the 7090XT can perform like the 5070Ti, then I will look at those if they are available. Any chance of a 7080XT from AMD?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekKQyrgkd3c

 

[jlake3]

I am not for or against Nvidia but as Steve Burke has recently said on his YouTube channel, Nvidia has made a mess of things even more so than with their 4000 series. My gamer brain says buy an RTX 5080 and I will be happy but if the 7090XT can perform like the 5070Ti, then I will look at those if they are available. Any chance of a 7080XT from AMD?

No*. The 9070XT is the full Navi 48 die, which is the biggest RDNA 4 die. Rumors from last summer were that a larger halo-class RDNA 4 die was proving too complicated and too expensive for the number of sales they thought they could realistically steal away from Nvidia in the $1000+ space, even if it hit the upper end of expectations.

*They could do a binned and overclocked 9070XT and call it a 9080, sort of like how the RX 590 was a binned 580, but there's no indication they're planning to do so.

 

[alceryes]

*They could do a binned and overclocked 9070XT and call it a 9080, sort of like how the RX 590 was a binned 580, but there's no indication they're planning to do so.

They're kinda doing this.
They announced a 340W OC edition. People will, of course, get this card and try to throw 375-400W+ at it to see what it will do. Scaling vs. power is usually horrible above the GPU's sweetspot though. If the card does still have some OC headroom above its 340W power target then it may start nipping at the 5080's (and 7900 XTX's) heels in some instances at 375W+.

https://imgur.com/a/hRtkB6c

View: https://imgur.com/a/hRtkB6c

 

[jlake3]

I miss the days when $300 got you a high end card.

Digging through the TechPowerUp database, the last 70-class release from Nvidia with a launch MSRP under $300 was January 2009's GTX 275.

AMD it's a bit less clear what's "high end" due to their muddled naming, but using "performance near a contemporary 70-class Nvidia card" as the yardstick, it appears the last time a "high-end" AMD launch MSRP was under $300 was December 2010's HD 6950.

 

[SSGBryan]

That is an irrelevant paper launched meme card, so no.

They already have the chips, they are used in the laptop 5090. I just don't think Nvidia will do a Super refresh anytime soon when they haven't even launched the 5070, 5060 Ti, and 5060 yet.

What might be smart is to wait to launch the 5060 Ti or 5060 with 12 GB using 3 GB GDDR7. Don't even call it a Super. Leaks currently point to a 16 GB and 8 GB 5060 Ti, so that's probably not getting 12 GB.

As I understood it, supply wouldn't be ramped up until Q2; My RTX 3060 is the last Nvidia GPU I'll probably ever own.

 

[JTWrenn]

March 5 for MSRP, 6 for non-MSRP. Basically the same story as what normally happens. Nvidia is one day earlier.

Thanks buddy. Ugh these timing seems so childish.

 

[YSCCC]

My $600 is ready for a Gigabyte gaming OC or Asus Prime if it's not scalped!

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

While I see a lot of people in general dismissing MSRP it's an important number whether you're buying at that or not when it comes to anything below halo tier. It's a promise of what one should expect to pay if they're willing to either wait or use stock trackers to acquire a card.

All of the price reporting I've seen is saying $599 for the 9070 XT which seems like a good price if they're delivering approximately 5070 Ti performance. A 20% discount from the 5070 Ti MSRP should be enough to sway people since FSR4 is a good upgrade over prior (broad implementation or simplicity of swaps will matter here) and the RT performance should finally be where it needs to be.

Assuming the $599 price is accurate the 9070 only being $50 cheaper is a misstep.

According to MLID’s sources, the 9070 will be a rare card which is why it is priced so close to the 9070XT. There just aren’t that many partially defective dies to push into the 9070’s thanks to the mature TSMC N4P process. Basically, the 9070 should be looked at as a power efficient version of the XT (I know it has fewer CU’s, etc. but with low volume, it makes sense to market the 9070 as “an option for the few people needing an efficient version of the modern architecture”)

 

[Elusive Ruse]

My $600 is ready for a Gigabyte gaming OC or Asus Prime if it's not scalped!

I recommend XFX or Power Color.

 

[thestryker]

According to MLID’s sources, the 9070 will be a rare card which is why it is priced so close to the 9070XT. There just aren’t that many partially defective dies to push into the 9070’s thanks to the mature TSMC N4P process. Basically, the 9070 should be looked at as a power efficient version of the XT (I know it has fewer CU’s, etc. but with low volume, it makes sense to market the 9070 as “an option for the few people needing an efficient version of the modern architecture”)

Even if this is true it doesn't change the problematic pricing. Based on the specifications AMD is selling ~14% more cores at ~17% higher clock speed (I know in graphics stated boost clocks rarely tell the full story) for ~9% more money. This means the 9070 is not only priced too close but it's flat out a worse value.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Even if this is true it doesn't change the problematic pricing. Based on the specifications AMD is selling ~14% more cores at ~17% higher clock speed (I know in graphics stated boost clocks rarely tell the full story) for ~9% more money. This means the 9070 is not only priced too close but it's flat out a worse value.

It costs the exact same amount of money to produce a 9070 vs a 9070 xt. Obviously AMD doesn’t want the 9070 to be in demand, and with such high yields for the 9070 xt, AMD does not want to artificially cripple fully capable 9070 xt dies just to satisfy demand for the 9070. It makes perfect marketing sense based on the variables described. Not everything is black and white….

 

[thestryker]

It costs the exact same amount of money to produce a 9070 vs a 9070 xt. Obviously AMD doesn’t want the 9070 to be in demand, and with such high yields for the 9070 xt, AMD does not want to artificially cripple fully capable 9070 xt dies just to satisfy demand for the 9070. It makes perfect marketing sense based on the variables described. Not everything is black and white….

Maybe if they were nvidia I'd agree with the logic you're applying, but they're not. Negativity surrounding a product launch does brand damage and there's almost no chance of the 9070 getting positive coverage. This damage actually matters when you're the default second choice for the vast majority of the market.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Maybe if they were nvidia I'd agree with the logic you're applying, but they're not. Negativity surrounding a product launch does brand damage and there's almost no chance of the 9070 getting positive coverage. This damage actually matters when you're the default second choice for the vast majority of the market.

I really don’t see how. Nothing about what AMD is doing is unprecedented. And there is no negativity to be had except which has been manufactured by keyboard warriors. Every new launch has its share of whiners that reach for some metric that “justifies” their whining….AMD is not in the business of losing money, and the cost to manufacture both sku’s is the same. $50 off is more than generous for the economic reality, especially considering AMD is already reducing their margins to make the 9070 xt more appealing. And considering the 9070 will be an uncommon in-stock item….no one will care in the end.

 

[thestryker]

I really don’t see how. Nothing about what AMD is doing is unprecedented. And there is no negativity to be had except which has been manufactured by keyboard warriors.

I would say that AMD's dwindling market share is a really big negative for them.

Every new launch has its share of whiners that reach for some metric that “justifies” their whining….AMD is not in the business of losing money, and the cost to manufacture both sku’s is the same. $50 off is more than generous for the economic reality, especially considering AMD is already reducing their margins to make the 9070 xt more appealing. And considering the 9070 will be an uncommon in-stock item….no one will care in the end.

Why should any customer care about the cost of manufacture of a product?

The only thing they should care about is the value of the product being purchased. AMD is saying to anyone buying "hey it's $50 less, but is a bad value, please buy it anyways" as this is still a product they're looking to sell. If it was not then they simply wouldn't be selling it.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

I would say that AMD's dwindling market share is a really big negative for them.

Why should any customer care about the cost of manufacture of a product?

The only thing they should care about is the value of the product being purchased. AMD is saying to anyone buying "hey it's $50 less, but is a bad value, please buy it anyways" as this is still a product they're looking to sell. If it was not then they simply wouldn't be selling it.

That’s a very shallow and regressive attitude to have as a consumer. “Why should any customer care about the cost of manufacture of a product?” Because that is literally one of the most important factors in determining value in market economies….or maybe AMD should just ignore their manufacturing costs and give everyone 9070 XT’s for FREE 99.

 

[thestryker]

That’s a very shallow and regressive attitude to have as a consumer. “Why should any customer care about the cost of manufacture of a product?” Because that is literally one of the most important factors in determining value in market economies….or maybe AMD should just ignore their manufacturing costs and give everyone 9070 XT’s for FREE 99.

That's an excellent strawman you've got going there and saves you from addressing what I actually said.

Apparently you like subsidizing billion+ dollar companies, but I certainly do not and don't think anyone else should. It seems you have no interest in actually looking at how the market has been working and what the likely margins allow for pricing wise so I see no reason in continuing to try to explain it to you.

 

[YSCCC]

I recommend XFX or Power Color.

Powercolour Reaper is the only card that fit comfortably in the Fractal North with a front 360mm AIO. XFX is at the boarder of fitting also, actually will depend on the price and availablility of them in my region, I really liked the power colour hellhound look,
Sapphire is nice but the 12V 2x6 connector is a tad too much for my liking... using the adapter looks like it will put some stress on the card also

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

That's an excellent strawman you've got going there and saves you from addressing what I actually said.

Apparently you like subsidizing billion+ dollar companies, but I certainly do not and don't think anyone else should. It seems you have no interest in actually looking at how the market has been working and what the likely margins allow for pricing wise so I see no reason in continuing to try to explain it to you.

Wow…your response is exactly what I thought you would post…I guess when you have no retort against my assertions just go for the “strawman” scape goat and end the conversation. Predictable, I wish we could continue our dialog, but I’ll respect your decision.