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[8350rocks]

@Juan what would lead you to believe all these given reviewers are "having a dozen of background apps open: three chat sessions, encoding video, playing the game, writing the report, looking for OS upgrades,..."
I can't think to believe all would be doing that. Furthermore if that were true would that be bad? I often have background apps open while I game and I know others who do even more than I, so if this were true and all these reviewers have all these things going on at once (a stretch) it would be another selling point for R7 processors, no? I believe this very comparison was made by AMD with a 1700(X?) Vs a 6700k at one of their earlier events.
The problem with comparing 8c vs 8c in your screenshots is price. For 30 some dollars over 7700k with cooler you get an overclocked 1700 with comparible max frames, lower average, but smoother gameplay, plus the other advantages of the 16 threads.
Thoughts/criticism welcome, cheers all

Exactly. If AMD felt that there was a reason to sell an 8 core processor for $1000, they would retail theirs for that.

Considering you can buy 2x 1800X for the cost of one 6900K, or 3x 1700 for that same money...I see no reason to fault any minor performance delta when you are, at worst, paying half the money...or less.

 

[jaymc]

Surely someone could just capture gaming sessions on one rig, then another and show the 2 side by side running the same missions to accomplish an objective comparison. Stutter would be obvious when it happened on one side or the other.

It may be the only way to capture the data necessary to gather the burden of proof.

Someone actually did it just can't remember who it was for the life of me...

 

[jaymc]

I notice some Ryzen new motherboard's DOCP is not always ready for some RAM memory. I assume they are working on it and release a new BIOS version soon.

There's an update supposed to be coming out from AMD before the Ryzen 5 release on the 11th mate..

 

[salgado18]

@Juan what would lead you to believe all these given reviewers are "having a dozen of background apps open: three chat sessions, encoding video, playing the game, writing the report, looking for OS upgrades,..."

I also add myself to this question. That is clearly Juan making a hyperbole, but the matter of the fact still remains: some people just likes to play games with a bazillion other stuff running in the background (yes, another hyperbole).

Some more self-reference, which I believe is not far fetched to generalize as an opinion: Steam+Overlay, Chrome (2 or 3 tabs; I know people with 20+ and multiple instances), Winamp, Discord/Teamspeak/Skype and sometimes OBS when I feel like streaming how much I suck at games (kidding, I'm a super prah playah).

EDIT: That being said, my i7 2700K does not seem to be bothered with that load.

Cheers!

I believe YT reviewers do have a lot open when they test, and possibly when they play in general. Also, note that no written review (who test in new installs, isolate the system etc) complained about smoothness. Possibly the 4c/8t Intels can't handle that many tasks at once...

... and no one noticed until then, because it looked normal. See, my first quad was an Athlon II X4 640, then I went to an FX 8120, and then to an i3-6100. None of the two AMDs give me the stuttering I get on the i3 when compiling code. Can't explain it really, the entire system chokes during high-demand tasks. And a guy said the i5 doesn't really get much better.

But no one complains, because everyone is using Intel, and they let these stuttering moments pass as normal of computing. But never once the FX-8120 let the computer hang for a milisecond. And I don't remember the Athlon X4 doing it too, although both are (and feel) slower than the i3.

I think this calls for testing in this area. I may be completely wrong here (probably, as always), but if people perceive a problem, then it's science's duty to investigate.

EDIT: like the wise guy said: ------------------------V

 

[gamerk316]

... and no one noticed until then, because it looked normal. See, my first quad was an Athlon II X4 640, then I went to an FX 8120, and then to an i3-6100. None of the two AMDs give me the stuttering I get on the i3 when compiling code. Can't explain it really, the entire system chokes during high-demand tasks. And a guy said the i5 doesn't really get much better.

You're describing a latency v bandwidth situation. Take compiling code; you're going to have a handful of very heavy threads locking out the physical CPU cores on an i3, which will lead to latency problems, even with IO, simply due to the necessary drivers being locked out for periods of time. In this case, the i3 is likely "faster" by virtue of having more powerful cores, but the FX would be more stable due to less interruption of background tasks.

 

[wh3resmycar]

interesting article from guru3d:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_memory_and_tweaking_analysis_review,10.html

 

[010TheMaster010]

That guru article is interesting. IF really needs that bandwidth I guess /shrug
Hopefully it's fixed with Z+ when I upgrade

 

[rgd1101]

there another one
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Analysis/

 

[Nope 1151]

Hey Juan, I saw that in your blog you reside in Spain, by any chance do you read Spanish?
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Annnnd WBBQtech beat me to it:
http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600-review-leak/

 

[jdwii]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/761938-amd-ryzen-pro-ryzen-3/

Ryzen 3 spotted looks like maybe no L3 cache?

Wondering if we will see a 100$ quad core Ryzen chip?

 

[jaymc]

This guy has 3600mhz running stable..

RYZEN + 3600MHZ RAM - closing the 7700K gap in gaming?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA

 

[jdwii]

I feel like i should say once again that kabylake+skylake and even haswell benefit from faster memory in gaming to. Digital Foundry proved this several times.

Proof down below

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review

Ryzen getting better gaming performance with faster memory is nothing special IMHO even more so when its hard to even get even 3000mhz.

 

[Fizzy1]

I notice some Ryzen new motherboard's DOCP is not always ready for some RAM memory. I assume they are working on it and release a new BIOS version soon.

There's an update supposed to be coming out from AMD before the Ryzen 5 release on the 11th mate..

 

[Fizzy1]

They may have delayed Ryzen 5 launch so that any reviews show it in a better light whilst retailers already have them in stock ready to go

 

[8350rocks]

More discussion about differences between AMD/Nvidia GPUs when combined with Ryzen compared results with Intel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1XHdWVKRkA

 

[-Fran-]

That video provides a lot of good data, although I don't like the set up itself used.

Still, it can be used as proof that testing with nVidia is detrimental to AMD until the drivers are optimized for Zen. Reviewers should take notice on that, just in case, when accounting all data into the conclusions.

Cheers!

 

[Nope 1151]

http://www.frys.com/search?query_string=AM4&sqxts=1&nearbyStoreName=false&search_type=regular&sort=name_sort%20asc&start=0&cat=&from=0&to=19
R5 CPUs preorders on frys... Tempted to get one.
BUT NO MINI ITX BOARDS MUH EYES

 

[jaymc]

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Review Leak: $200 CPU Beats $350 Intel Core i7-7700K...

This sounds like a lovely chip guy's check it out:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/04/05/amd-ryzen-5-1600-review-leak-200-cpu-beats-350-intel-core-i7-7700k/#406518491784

 

[gamerk316]

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Review Leak: $200 CPU Beats $350 Intel Core i7-7700K...

This sounds like a lovely chip guy's check it out:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/04/05/amd-ryzen-5-1600-review-leak-200-cpu-beats-350-intel-core-i7-7700k/#406518491784

Dubious claim, considering more powerful Ryzen CPUs don't beat the 7700k.

 

[jaymc]

I feel like i should say once again that kabylake+skylake and even haswell benefit from faster memory in gaming to. Digital Foundry proved this several times.

Proof down below

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review

Ryzen getting better gaming performance with faster memory is nothing special IMHO even more so when its hard to even get even 3000mhz.

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Review Leak: $200 CPU Beats $350 Intel Core i7-7700K...

This sounds like a lovely chip guy's check it out:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/04/05/amd-ryzen-5-1600-review-leak-200-cpu-beats-350-intel-core-i7-7700k/#406518491784

Dubious claim, considering more powerful Ryzen CPUs don't beat the 7700k.

Good point actually...

Forum is quiet people.. hope that's because were all busy writing out our questions for AMD

I'm looking forward to it anyway !

j

 

[-Fran-]

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Review Leak: $200 CPU Beats $350 Intel Core i7-7700K...

This sounds like a lovely chip guy's check it out:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/04/05/amd-ryzen-5-1600-review-leak-200-cpu-beats-350-intel-core-i7-7700k/#406518491784

Dubious claim, considering more powerful Ryzen CPUs don't beat the 7700k.

Just a caveat though: ironically, the 8C/16T CPUs, technically have half per-core L3 cache at their disposal for processing and more data to travel around through the fabric when thread bouncing hits (more effective threads imply more effective bounce if hit). So, for gaming purposes, at the same clock speed and with a patched scheduler or patched game that is aware of Ryzen, the L3 advantage might become noticeable. Plus all the patches and fixes AMD has put forth with the vendors.

Cheers!

 

[Jsimenhoff]

Hey all in case you missed it, the AMA with AMD is now open and ready for your questions. Ask away!

Here's a link to the AMA thread.http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3378010/join-tom-hardware-amd-thursday-april-6th.html

 

[010TheMaster010]

Thanks Johnny! Some good stuff there for sure!

 

[James Mason]

Hmm with Ryzen's higher thread count, and good core performance, we might actually get Dev's better adopting higher core/thread usages rates for games. So people who bought those FX 8000s will finally get good use out of their mutli threaded processors. BUT I bet they'll still be screwed because they'll be stuck with slower DDR3 RAM, and also the architecture of the FX line is just not good.

 

[dgothi]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3188234/hardware/amds-ryzen-balanced-power-plan-for-windows-promises-to-boost-cpu-performance.html