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i've never had a dell, but sooo many people say they are a rip and are poor quality, which i could understand when dell sells soooo many computers, they are bound to have more problems than any other company in number , but i'd like to see some sort of ratio, for problems per sale
 
OK, to get it straight -- they died the same month... Why would cap's die at the same time? Easy. They were made at the same time, had the same electrical load/over current. Now, why would a $5000 load balancing system from APC stop this load from damaging the other devices (some even more sensitive than the dell power supplies) not fail? Why, because they are made with decent parts (talking about 3 phase motor controllers, that need the freq within 10% of 60hz...
I'm not saying we don't have other dells that haven't lasted. We have 2 precision 370's that one the PS fan is dead (and have a new ps on the way.) They used a cheap sleave bearing fan. Why not ball bearing? Another 2cents on the quality is too much to swallow. I agree, falure is part of doing biz, however, at what point is failure beyond acceptable levels? No, comptuers shouldn't last for ever, that is true. However, if properly maintained, they should last for more than 2, or 3 years. Why does the secretary who does nothing but type quotes need a brand new computer? It's easy, she gets the near to EOL machines -- and I can tell you. The old dells (P3 and lower) were kick ass machines, quality is in the toilet. For dell , every day is another turd out of the chute. Some day the toilet will overflow and the mess that is dell well be on all of our shoes...
If I had a choice at work, we would be 100% dell free (except rebranded devices.)

The rip off is when you expect a new computer, within warnt period to not have issues. One or two in a batch is ok, all of them around the same time isn't... And to recap our PS issue, they sent 350W replacements (altho referbs, but that is expected.) Why would they do this? If the org. parts were good enough why the upgrade from 200W to 350W? The engineers Fcked up and they know it, I'm not the only one who's had problems with this same line of computers... In short, if you don't buy one of the $2K machines now a days, expect it to die.

Another issue for you to chew on. My friend works for the local school board. They got a batch of new optiplexes (don't recall the model, but that doesn't matter)
Bog standard P4 3.2GHZ HT, with 2GB of ram, 25% of them arrived with bad ram.. How does this happen? Failure rate of 25%? That's unacceptable IMO. (They did get new ram for the machines, and they are fine now, but who pays for the over time? Dell? Nope, you and I paid for it.)

Shit does happen, however, if your house collapsed on you, and the builder said "well shit happens, deal with it" are you going to spend the money to rebuild? I hope you aren't that dumb. You'd prolly sue. (I know I would.) Stuff does happen, BSOD on brand new computers, that the Tech tells you "yeah, we've had issues with HT and it causing BSODs under XP" isn't shit happening, it's bottom quality.
I agree, there isn't any point in in this thread with you anymore, you are a Dell Fanboy, lets face it. Even if I brough all 12 of those computers to you before they died with the random reboots etc before they died, with a tester (not one of those cheap LED ones, the one that trace the power output) you'd still say "well, it can't be a bad power supply, that just never happens. Dell is god, bow down!!"

I don't buy dell at home, I have a 486 that is running just fine on it's org 2GB HDD. Why? 'Cause I know what are quality parts, and Dell doesn't use them. Bottom line, you can't sell quality for $500. You scrimp here, pinch there, at the end you have a pile of poo. :wink:
 
i smell bs... im sure ur making most of this shit up, "the engineers fucked up" thats what u think the excuse is for sending u a more powerful psu, because they didnt take the time to think that "oh this will use more than 200 watts" im sure they didnt have any 200's in stock or it was the same price to send u a 350 watt. 200 watts is more than enough for any comptuer (besides dual cores) with 1 harddrive and no video card, which is what most of dells products are, there for an average user, im sure there was more added, because they were made at the same time is irrelovent, how long were they used before dying? 3 years running 24/7 is a long ass time, infact its 26k hours (if theres really 52 weeks in a year, i forget if thats it) 26000 hours is a LOT for the 300 dollars you pay, and the about 25 dollars the psu is worth. if u ordered all of them at the exact same time and they are less than a year old my guess is u got a bad batch, and here where the warrenty comes in... im sure if u werent a flaming dick about it theyd actually stand by there warrenty and give u 13 refurbed computers, probably even faster than the ones u had bought, but im sure u called up screaming so they said, oh, we dont cover that, to bad. u know being nice goes a long way, when i called about my jukebox i wasnt angry, all i had to say was pretty much "hi this broke, can u replace it for me" "sure i need ur serial number and address" "its blalllalallalalalal" "ok well ship you one right away" now in ur case im sure it went "WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED ALL 13 OF MY COMPUTERS JUST DIED" "sir can you calm down im sure theres a reason for this" "YEA DELL SUCKS!!!" yes, that will go a long way. what im saying is, everything has a limit on its life, what do u expect when u buy a cheap computer? do u expect it to be running for the next 30 years? yea, dell uses cheaper parts and skimps when they can, im not saying they dont, they do in there cheaper models. i guess uve never heard of the quote "you get what you pay for"
 
Darn have to retype all this, system needed to reboot and I forgot to submit the post :cry: Anyway let me try to rmember this again.

Alright, Dimensions are designed for home users dude, Optiplexes are business PCs. Capacitor issues were a huge problem but way after the Dimension 4300. The bad Taiwan capacitor batch affected HP Pavilion A305E's, certain IBM servers, and some Sony Desktops as well as ASUS KT333 chipset mobos, so Dell was just one of the many victims of that nightmare. Dell's SX260s, SX270s, and GX270s were affected. Ouch. This all happened to systems shipped in mid to late 2003 though. Dimension 4300s did not have capacitor issues. Same month usually means there's a drastic weather change, specifically a large drop or increase in humidity over a short time. This causes condensation on the inside of power supplies and can take out hard drives as well. Bad luck is all.

The fact that Dimensions ran so well for your business anyway is coincidence, those PCs are designed for home use. GX110s and GX200s were around back then, why didn't you use them? Those GX110s specs are horrific, but man you just can't kill em. Even after Rita hit us and dumped several gallons of water IN our 100s of GX110s we just let em dry out a couple of weeks and all but 2 (out of roughly 495) work perfectly. 600 total, others were GX260s and 4 were 270s, none of them failed despite the water. Remember they had to dry out first!!!

I have seen results over the entire US from statistics. Again we've had problems, those 40GB Maxtor drives in the 260s and 270s SUCKED, but everyone has that sort of issue. We eventually did special projects for proactive replacements in companies that lost 35 or more drives too. Sounds harsh, but HP and IBM didn't do that.

Dimension 4300=bad example, too old (orig. mfred in 2000) to make any remarks about anyway. Tell me about those Dimension 5150s, 9150s or the Optiplex GX520s and maybe I'll listen.
 
pretty much what hes saying is eveyrhting has problems, u just have to work out the kinks, kinda like xbox360 how it overheats... and how the nano scratched and broke easily. there just bugs that didnt get caught and they had to fix them for next gen, or the next batch
 
Bourg,

Don't you know that you are an A$$ or an idiot or a jerk?

You must be since you have a differing opinion (differs from dvdpdiddy and prozac) with intelligent commentary.

🙂

Oh and by the way I want to save dvd and prozac some time and also call you a Dell Fanboy again!!!

There it has been said i hope they feel better!!

Oh wait, I agree with you so you must not be bad at all!

I'm confused 🙂
 
"Dell buys the cheapest possible parts they can."

Absolutely, just as everyone else does. I'm comparing Dell to other PC brands. I am almost a fan of Dell, recently they've sold cheap cra? and called it a computer when it wasn't. I still believe that in the end they are the best PC company.
 
Bourg,

You said it out loud? Man you are now officially "flame bait" 🙂

I hope you can handle it 🙂

By the way I am officially video card challenged too 🙂
 
id agree, which is pretty much waht i said that got this entire thing started, dell is the best big computer company, they make cheap affordable computers, and if amd doesnt get the deal with dell then they wont become as big as they hope, they wont really be able to compete with intel, probably ever, but it doesnt mean they will go under, theyll probably stay the same. but if they do get dell they could make bigger profits, make more chips, get better technologies, quicker, and best of all, do it all for cheaper than they are now. so the only thing that could come of amd getting dell as a deal is cheaper chips, and faster too. if they dont, prices may not drop by a lot but we can be sure than amd will fight back to try to get on dells side and overtake intel
 
Not just Dell, the same goes for HP, IBM, Acer..............
All these companies buy a motherboard design from Gigabyte, Asus.......and they mass produce it in China and the boards look damn frucked up!!!! For the price of a basic system with Dell, HP, etc. you can actually buy a mid-range machine if you built it yourself or from a vender that does customized PCs. What they (Dell, HP, etc) offer with the price of their basic machines are free onsite service for the first year or something which I would like to ask...........WHY THE HELL WOULD I NEED TO SERVICE A BRAND NEW PC I JUST BOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!
I thought they are fully tetsed, are there defects with these machines from Dell, HP, etc. that people dont know about??
There is one trend we can all be at rest with is that I am beginning to see kids in grade 5 and 6 starting to built their own PCs. This should knock out some of those ready built shxt boxes out of normal sales channels!!!!!
 
u guys are idiotic, i bet not one of u has ever owned a "brand name" computer, and if u did im sure u expected it to run fear at 1600x1200 with softshadows on ultra and expected it to get 60 fps with onboard video. those computers are meant for average users not "custom builders" people buy brand name because they know that the company will back up there name, which they do, all of them honor their warrentys dispite what u think. in the off chance that 13 computers die within a month if i was part of dell id say hell no u probably had a power surge and im not gonna cover ur ignorance for not having a surge protector. yea sure, ill agree go to some fat dude with broken computers laid all over his store/house and buy from him, yea, im sure hell back up his computer more than dell would, what kinda stupid ass suggestion is that? hell suggest an amd duron as "the latest technology" at least with dell u get newer tech and dont have to worry about it breaking, and if it does and u buy the 3 year warrenty u will be able to return it pretty much no questions asked, if u say otherwise ur just an ignorant fanboy because thats pretty much how it is.
 
sure they back it up, but what's the point if they're only backing up CRAP! like you said, no one that knows anything about computers will buy brand name, unless they just need a basic computer.

your all right, your arguing different point though, the anti-dell are arguing that dell has low end computers, while the pro-dell are arguing that they back them up well, thats why your not gettig anywhere.

linux_0 is the opposite of an idiot btw :wink:
 
i dont get waht the arguement is then i guess, they have all types low end middle and high, also very nice servers. i dont get it, do u realize how many comapnys rely on dell because of their awesome support and cheaper computers (although last a long ass time)... i work at hp, and we have like 30% dell computers, all p4, know why? because it was actually cheaper to buy the dells than it was to buy the hp ones. now think about that, i work at an hp plant, and it was cheaper to get dells. weve had the dells for a good year now and not ONE has failed. thats about i duno im guessing 150-200 systems, with no problems, and these werent the higher end ones, these were the 600 dollar ones. so thats 200 dells plus the 2 that i own and the mp3 player i have that have NEVER had any problems... well the mp3 player has but i got a free one anyways. so this is why i say dell computers are fine, people who are argueing in here are just argueing because its cheaper to build a computer urself. yes, im aware of that, i agree too (with the acception of the 300 dollar dells) but not everyone is willing to build a computer themselves, theyd rather have a brand name that is reliable and dont have to fuck with and install all the drivers and stuff. i know u see where im comming from because 90% of the computer world agrees with me, theres a lot of hassle in building ur own computer, especialyl if it doesnt work perfectly, and even if it does ur talkin about an entire day of downloading drivers and tweaking settings. or u can order a dell, uninstall the crap it gives u and be up in under an hour...
 
your probably right, and its funny caus ethe rest of them won't care because they will say dell's quailty sucks, as in, they don't have fx-60's and x1900xtx' crossfires, in they're line up, thats why you keep arguing because you're arguing about two different things 😛
 
well they cant have fx60's because they dont support amd yet! but i see what u mean, and i bet the people that im argueing with have amd thunderbirds... i doubt they have top of the line computers and 5k to blow on a comp... which i guess is why he showed me an xps and how it was overpriced, there overpriced because noone buys them so they dont buy p4 EEs in bulk so they have to charge close to retail for them, plus build costs and profit...
 
Well, I was building a XPS the other day while building the same config in an online store and the XPS was 10 bucks cheaper and I didnt even add case, PSU, optical drives to my own config.
 
parlee said: "u guys are idiotic, i bet not one of u has ever owned a "brand name" computer, and if u did im sure u expected it to run fear at 1600x1200 with softshadows on ultra and expected it to get 60 fps with onboard video. those computers are meant for average users not "custom builders" people buy brand name because they know that the company will back up there name, which they do, all of them honor their warrentys dispite what u think. in the off chance that 13 computers die within a month if i was part of dell id say hell no u probably had a power surge and im not gonna cover ur ignorance for not having a surge protector. "

I own a Dell, my dad owns one too--one desktop one laptop. I bought the Dimension 4700 for my Mom, and my dad got the Inspiron 8200 before I worked for Dell. Was given an ancient Compaq w/ only a Pentium 166MHz MMX, but that's long gone.

Point is I've owned brand-name PCs before. Dimension 4700 I got just over a year ago uses the Intel 915G integrated graphics, my Mom doesn't care though. She could have made it with the Dimension 3000 that was selling at the time but I didn't want her to have a POS machine so I got one with a PCiE x16 slot in it, as well as a Pentium 4 rather than a POS Celeron.

All honor their warrenties yes--only that HP, Sony, and (ugh) Viscom only have up to a one year warrenty. The extended warrenty is third-party, and THAT isn't always honored. I now work for one of those jerk-infested companies known as extended warrenty, AKA Scum of the Universe. Once we FIND your warrenty IF we find it, we just might fix the problem. I hate my job as the higher-ups are nothing but arrogant pricks.

Dell, Toshiba, and even Gateway do have their own extended warrenty. Acer? Honestly I know absolutely nothing about them. Never see em 'round here, and don't support em over the phone. My point is the OEMs cover their warrenty, but beyond one year who knows unless it's Gateway, Dell, or Toshiba.
 
My 1st brought PC, in 1994 was..

Pakard Bell P90

:roll:

Never went back to a brand name ever again once I got into it abit more...

Though, I did have to work with Brand names at the job. I mostly troubleshooted compaq/hp/clone machines.

The company I worked for started buying Dells when I got laid off. :lol:
 
The mass-produced Dells have $2 power supplies and $5 motherboards and I'll grant you they are cheaper than something you could build yourself because Dell makes them in huge quantities and they can build them DIRT cheap.

Have you even tried to custom configure a Dell however?

How about a server?

Once you customize a machine or a server @ Dell the price often goes up by as much as several hundred percent.

If you want a decent workstation or server or high end desktop you can usually save 50% or more by building it yourself.

I spec'ed some servers for an enterprise level client and Dell wanted like over $100K. My generic equivalent was less than $50K with BETTER PARTS.

Granted Dell has pretty good support but I don't think it's worth a 100% markup.

The other thing that really bugs me is their refusal to sell AMD servers which are the best server platform there is in the x86 and x86_64 world. I heard rumors they will sell you AMD if you threaten to go with HP or another big OEM but I don't know if that's tru64.

For the record I have actually used and maintained Dell desktops, workstations, laptops and servers.

I was not impressed, did not like them and would not buy them with the exception of some laptop models perhaps if there is no other choice.

I also do not like Gateway, HP/Compaq, E-Machines, IBM, Lenovo or any of the other big OEMs so I am not just picking on Dell.

Some of my statements above also apply to the other major OEMs.
 
"Well, I was building a XPS the other day while building the same config in an online store and the XPS was 10 bucks cheaper and I didnt even add case, PSU, optical drives to my own config."

no i havnt configured one myself, but ycon took the time to do it, and it seems like ur just pulling stuff out of ur ass, given the xps is a gaming computer not a workstation, i doubt dell would charge double what u could build it for, the most ive seen them overcharge when i was messign around with them is about 20%... which is understandable given the cost to build it and the cost to run the comapny... also add in the fact that dell usually has amazing deals, sometimes giving away 17inch lcd monitors, i dont care what u say about them there decent monitors, especailly for FREE. have u ever used a dell lcd monitor? there 21 inch is one of the best made, given the 17 is small and slower its still pretty high quality and sharper than most cheapo lcds.
 
I wasn't commenting on their monitors.

Most of their LCDs are actually comparatively pretty dog gone good.

Their custom built machines, servers, etc are quite expensive.

I said:

I spec'ed some servers for an enterprise level client and Dell wanted like over $100K. My generic equivalent was less than $50K with BETTER PARTS.
Click to expand...

And I assure you that statement is 100% true.

I configured functionally equivalent servers @ Dell.com and elsewhere they all wanted a fortune. My functionally equivalent generic servers were 50% cheaper.

That is a true statement and I will stand by it.
 
i cant argue about that because i dont have the time on my hands to build a server on 2 different websites, but im sure the dell had somthing u didnt see like onsite customer support for 5 years or somthing which i imagine would cost a ton... show me links or i wont believe
 
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