AMD says, "Who needs Dell?"

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Will COnroe give Intel the perf lead back?

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maybe we should get back to the actual topic which was amd needing dell. which IMO they do, to succeed, they need dell bad. jeese said it as well (so it must be true!) that amd has never had more than 21.4% of the sales for processors, in order to break the 25% or maybe even 30% they need to start selling some processors to dell. if 10% of dells computers ran amd it would be a huge deal and a big increase for amd. maybe putting them at 25% or higher
 
Gawd.. is this ever going to end??

The thing is.. no matter how much some of you say you hate Dell, it isn't going away.

There are more average users then OC/Performance enthusiasts.

I believe once there are allot more OC/Performance enthusiasts, then Dell or any other major brand seller, will have to rethink their marketing system.

I don't think we need to define average user anymore.. LOL
 
Something I should point out:

Yes, the system you configured is probably better (minus the 3 year support from Dell).

However, I don't know of a single enterprise level business that builds its own servers or buys spec'd out servers from the local computer store. They buy configured crap from Dell, HP, etc. So this argument is pointless. I think we can all agree that Dell rips off enterprise level businesses- they do it because they can. Also, I doubt Dell would charge an enterprise business $20,000 for that server- you're forgetting corporate pricing and volume pricing. Generally speaking if an enterprise is going to buy something like that- they're not going to buy just one.

Speaking from experience, Dell's enterprise support is outstanding. First off, any business of a good size will have it's own account manager. So no going through phone menus and whatnot. When I worked for the Social Security Administration, all we had to do was dial an extension, tell our account manager the problem, and they'd have a replacement part to us the next business day. No BS. They knew that we knew what we were doing. (the majority of our hardware issues were bad hard drives and NICs). Anyways, you might be able to find support like that for one site (maybe you for instance), but can you find the same support for the same price at another site? Enterprise businesses go with the big boys for simplicity and standards. Not price. That's from my experience.

I still think that Dell is fine for the average consumer and an outstanding choice for enterprise. But for retards like us, small businesses, and even medium level businesses, it's a horrible choice. ;-)

-mpjesse
 
ill answer ur first question as i have no experience in the enterprise shit, but jeese seems to have addressed that in the post below urs. for the dell needs amd for the future, this couldnt be more wrong. do u see dells profits falling because they refuse to sell amd? no. do u see amd asking dell every few years to suport their processors? yes. it looks as if amd not NEED but REALLY WANTS dell as a partner, they know that dell will boost their profits a ton. dell by NO MEANS needs amd, dell has been around for a long ass time without the help of amd and they continue to grow and get more money without the help of amd, they are said to have a deal with intel getting cheap processors if they dont deal with amd, maybe intel fears amd getting too powerful and overtaking the processor market share, but its doubtful to happen, at least not in the next 5 years. dell probably wont pick up amd, and amd will go back and work harder to make better processors than intel and still sell them for cheaper, then in another 3 years amd will ask dell again, and who knows maybe theyll accept. either way none of these 3 coorperations (amd intel dell) are going anywhere anytime soon, if anything id say intel needs dell to keep control of amds profits, but dell will not fail because they dont take amd, that will nevere happen. people who buy dells buy them because they trust pentium, there old enough and remember how shitty the old amds were and still hold grudges against them, they know the pentium/intel name and believe its better than amd. people who buy dells dont go online and research benchmarks and look at price/perforamnce, they go online and buy what they think they need, they dont even configure or customize it, they buy what dell recommends is enough power for waht there gonna be using it for, and im sure 99.9% of the time its plenty. i dont know what else to say u just dont even read this i bet, u think dell despritly needs amd to get more profits, i bet u anything that if dell picked up amd, not one person on this forum would buy a dell with an amd, theyd build it before, or even buy an hp because theyve supported amd for a while now. but good luck debating with the people with more knowledge than me over hte fact that "dell will go bankrupt without amd"
 
oh man that made me laugh, u thinking u have friends. ur far to annoying to be tolorated for more than 10 minutes. but its funny how ur 50/50 friends who own dells, uve fixed, maybe ur just bad at fixing computers? no matter how bad u think dell is, 0% sucess rate, is unheard of, even the shittiest of shitty memory doesnt have a 0% sucess rate. dell would be bankrupt in 5 minutes if ur statement was true. im sure u just dont know what ur doing.
 
Just leave that thing alone...
Dell sucks, so he sucks, too.
He hates Dell, we all hate him.
Big deal >_>

If we pay attention to him, he wins.
If we ignore him, he loses and goes off... or gets his 4th account on these forums :roll:
 
Just leave that thing alone...
Dell sucks, so he sucks, too.
He hates Dell, we all hate him.
Big deal >_>

If we pay attention to him, he wins.
If we ignore him, he loses and goes off... or gets his 4th account on these forums :roll:
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<cough> loser <cough> sorry bad cough
 
DVD if you are going to use the cough thing use it properly...

it goes like this:

<cough>contents</cough>

The second cough is an end tag denoted by the "/". If you were to take the same thing and put quotes around the contents like this:

<cough>"contents"</cough> The contents would then be taken as a Literal.
 
Maybe you could read the UTF-8 encoding docs and learn a little more. I am not sure which RFP it is but you could learn a little.

You could also go to the W3C site and take the tutorials to learn what a UTF-8 is.
 
DVD if you are going to use the cough thing use it properly...

it goes like this:

<cough>contents</cough>

The second cough is an end tag denoted by the "/". If you were to take the same thing and put quotes around the contents like this:

<cough>"contents"</cough> The contents would then be taken as a Literal.
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ok ill try is this good <cough> sorry </cough>
 
in light of what i read before and after ur post ive come to the conclusion that

your 100% correct

no need to acknoledge that kid is even alive because hes completly worthless. so now that thats out of the way, anyone else got anything constructive to say about what amd said about how they dont need dell?

1 more thing, forgot to meantion, everytime he posts and i look at his sig, it makes me want to get on my knees and pray that conroe pwns am2, just to see him change to "INTEL FANBOYS UNITE"... but then again... i love amd :roll: i guess ill just have to forget about this kid and let it slide
 
2 things PARLEE
1.dell will need amd in the future
2.linux 0 is right about one thing though dell does rip you off
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I started the whole argument that Dell rips people off, so I deserve some credit!

Me and linux formed an army against Dell, wanna join? yes i do prozac 😀
 
"am2 will pwn conroe cause of the new ddr2-800 mem controller"

do u even know what conroe is? do u know what intel did to improve the design? conroe is based on a mobile chip i hear and will use less energy than the new am2's will, and for u who seems to only care about perforamcne/watt then conroe will come out ahead. intel says conroe will be 20% faster than any given amd in the price range, i doubt thats true but since intel wants the lead back and has the money and resources to do so, then im sure theyll regain it when conroe is released
 
no i dont, how does intel lie about prescotts? please enlighten me because im sure noone else knows about this, it must be for insiders only
 
"am2 will pwn conroe cause of the new ddr2-800 mem controller"

do u even know what conroe is? do u know what intel did to improve the design? conroe is based on a mobile chip i hear and will use less energy than the new am2's will, and for u who seems to only care about perforamcne/watt then conroe will come out ahead. intel says conroe will be 20% faster than any given amd in the price range, i doubt thats true but since intel wants the lead back and has the money and resources to do so, then im sure theyll regain it when conroe is released
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if you know that Conroe will INCREASE PIPELINE STAGES and Tom's Article about AMD's AM2 processors is of defected version, then......
 
Let me reiterate....

BOTH AMD and Intel lie cheat and steal.

ATI and nVidia lie cheat and steal too.

They call it marketing, other people characterize it slightly differently.


Lets set MARKETING aside for a moment and talk about the FACTS PLEASE.


The FACT is AMD has a superior architecture while Intel has superior marketing.

AMD64 CPUs beat comparable Intel CPUs across the board in MOST 32bit benchmarks.

AMD64 CPUs beat comparable Intel CPUs across the board in ALL 64bit benchmarks.

Intel CPUs are SLOWER in 64bit mode than they are in 32bit mode.

AMD64 CPUs run cooler and consume less energy than comparable Intel CPUs [P4s]

Mobile Intel CPUs [P3 based] are about EQUAL or SLIGHTLY BETTER than AMD mobile CPUs in 32bit benchmarks and have a slightly BETTER battery life.

Mobile AMD CPUs are FASTER than Intel mobile CPUs in 64bit benchmarks.

Opteron 2xx and 8xx CPUs beat comparable Intel Xeon CPUs in ALL 32bit and 64bit benchmarks in most cases by a wide margin mostly because of the Opterons' onboard memory controller and the fact your SDRAM performance increases each time you add CPUs and pairs of RAM.

Quality, reliability and stability wise AMD and Intel are about the SAME

AMD, Intel, ATI, nVidia and others cheat on some benchmarks when they think they can get away with it, which is why it is so important to have proper independent 3rd party benchmarks.

If you would like evidence please refer to the AMD vs Intel threads. Others as well as myself have repeatedly cited benchmarks from multiple sources to back up these statements.

Let's stop rehashing this over and over again and discuss something else for a change.

Please STOP the madness!!!

Fair well and goodnight to all.
 
Let me reiterate....

BOTH AMD and Intel lie cheat and steal.

ATI and nVidia lie cheat and steal too.

They call it marketing, other people characterize it slightly differently.


Lets set MARKETING aside for a moment and talk about the FACTS PLEASE.


The FACT is AMD has a superior architecture while Intel has superior marketing.

AMD64 CPUs beat comparable Intel CPUs across the board in MOST 32bit benchmarks.

AMD64 CPUs beat comparable Intel CPUs across the board in ALL 64bit benchmarks.

Intel CPUs are SLOWER in 64bit mode than they are in 32bit mode.

AMD64 CPUs run cooler and consume less energy than comparable Intel CPUs [P4s]

Mobile Intel CPUs [P3 based] are about EQUAL or SLIGHTLY BETTER than AMD mobile CPUs in 32bit benchmarks and have a slightly BETTER battery life.

Mobile AMD CPUs are FASTER than Intel mobile CPUs in 64bit benchmarks.

Opteron 2xx and 8xx CPUs beat comparable Intel Xeon CPUs in ALL 32bit and 64bit benchmarks in most cases by a wide margin mostly because of the Opterons' onboard memory controller and the fact your SDRAM performance increases each time you add CPUs and pairs of RAM.

Quality, reliability and stability wise AMD and Intel are about the SAME

AMD, Intel, ATI, nVidia and others cheat on some benchmarks when they think they can get away with it, which is why it is so important to have proper independent 3rd party benchmarks.

If you would like evidence please refer to the AMD vs Intel threads. Others as well as myself have repeatedly cited benchmarks from multiple sources to back up these statements.

Let's stop rehashing this over and over again and discuss something else for a change.

Please STOP the madness!!!

Fair well and goodnight to all.
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Linux man, when will you learn to never bring "facts to a food fight" :lol: . LOL, you can't stop folks from fighting if they wants to keep fighting, just gotta let em wear themselves out. Nice summary though..

Da Worfster
 
i agree with all of this but that isnt what the arguement was about, maybe it has become over that i forget, i forget everything when i sleep. but i thought it went back to the actual topic of what amd said... so i guess that means ur about a day behind
 
Parlee,

Here is a Dell Config for over $20,000 USD:

dell_20k_server.png


Here is a functionally BETTER machine from newegg for $11,000 USD:

newegg_config.png


You can get a BETTER server from newegg or any other vendor online for 11k vs 20k from Dell.

Which is the better deal?

Do you see what I was talking about in my posts above?

Once you hit configure prices go way up.

Most Dell servers are expensive to begin with even the mass produced ones so even if you do not customize it you are still paying too much.
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Funny enough if you go to www.monarchcomputer.com you can get a custom QUAD 865 for that same $20,000. It'll have the SCSI or SATAII backplane 4 count em four Opteron 865s and 16 GB.
 
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