News AMD Unveils Big Navi: RX 6900 XT, RX 6800 XT and RX 6800 Take On Ampere

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I absolutely did NOT expect them to go gunning for the 3090. I really thought the top Big Navi would be the 3080 competitor, and am pleasantly surprised that they did so.
This is by far the best news of this event. I also based in previous releases expected maybe something above the 3080 as their highest offering. It remains to be seen if the 6900XT has the 3090 in the crosshairs, but it’s certainly on the scope for absolute performance. Price to performance it would seem it’s already sunk the 3090, unless Nivida revises it’s lofty premium.
 
The 6900XT looks pretty attractive compared to the 3090 for gaming. For $500 less, you can forgive the short comings in the feature set of the 6900XT. The 6800XT on the other hand does not look particularly appealing compared to the 3080. $50 cheaper isn't enough for basically the same performance with inferior ray tracing and no DLSS counter.
Just gonna have to wait and see. I'm staying out of all the speculation; it's just exhausting.
Now I'm reminded of a certain several page long RTX 3000 speculation thread with a particular phoenix avatar in it... /sigh

I'm largely unimpressed with ray tracing in its current stage, so whether it'll be good or not doesn't even matter to me. Others will love it/hate it/don't care either way - it is what it is.
 
The 6900XT looks pretty attractive compared to the 3090 for gaming. For $500 less, you can forgive the short comings in the feature set of the 6900XT. The 6800XT on the other hand does not look particularly appealing compared to the 3080. $50 cheaper isn't enough for basically the same performance with inferior ray tracing and no DLSS counter.

It's a bit early to be judging their RT performance, no? We havent seen anything of their new super resolution tech yet (lets face it its AMD so we'll be lucky to get it for the cards launch lol) and RT de-noising sounds promising for sure. Their sharpening and AO tech is also quite nice and not to be snubbed.

Honestly its so close we need reviews. I'd love to go AMD for a change, its been a while, but they've pulled shifty moves before with their own quoted performance figures. In particular the stats they quote for the 6900 XT are with smart memory access AND overclocked and it's still barely trading blows with the 3090 in their own benchmarks. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that left the card only 5-10% or so ahead of the RTX 3080 in the real world in an older or intel CPU system which puts it in a bad spot value wise for many.

The 6800 XT definitely looks like the one to get since the figures seem to be quoted without any overclocks but even then its a tough sell when Nvidia has them beat on features. Broadcast, Ansel, DLSS, Gamestream are all pretty niche but still add value. Probably an easy buy if you're also upgrading your processor to Zen 3 but otherwise I'm not so sure...
 
Four games in 4k used by both AMD and TH Reviews:
6800xt 6900 3080FE 3090FE
Borderland 3 63 71 71 76

Div 2 74 81 77 81

Forza 4 138 169 152 158

Shadow 88 96 89 95

Apples to apples????? Who knows????
 
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In the benchmark, it says "+ Smart Access Memory" what does it mean ?

It's a new feature where if you buy a 5xxx series AMD CPU, 6xxx series GPU and a 5xx series motherboard, then the CPU can directly access the GPU memory. In the future, most games may be optimized to use this feature for even further gains. The reason being is that this was developed for consoles, so you know game developers will take advantage of it for certain calls.
 
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What was the Specs of the PC that they were testing with? With new Ryzen 5000 CPU, you can OC the RAM to 6536 Mhz. Paired with Smart Access Memory would be interesting to see some bench marks.
I put all of the slides at the end, the full details are in the last few slides. It's Ryzen 9 5900X, basically. We're not entirely sure how much that factors into AMD's performance, but at 4K it might make a 5% difference.
I have to admit, I thought they were going to have cards that definitely gave the RTX 3070 and 3080 a run for their money, performance-wise, match or slightly do better than Nvidia on power/performance, and definitely offer a better price/performance value.

It's a mixed bag on the efficiency aspect, and on the price/performance, depending on which card.

I absolutely did NOT expect them to go gunning for the 3090. I really thought the top Big Navi would be the 3080 competitor, and am pleasantly surprised that they did so.

Can't wait to see the results when Jarred gets a hold of these cards.
Early this month, I was basically thinking 6900 XT was going to be what AMD is effectively showing for the RX 6800 XT. Clocks are higher than expected, and the Infinity Cache apparently is helping out a lot. Wouldn't it be sort of funny if slapping a huge L3 cache onto Navi 1x (plus ray tracing) is all it took for AMD to match Ampere? The RX 6800 XT having 72 CUs actually makes perfect sense, though -- fully enabled Navi 21 parts aren't going to be nearly as common as completely functional chips. I wish AMD or TSMC would reveal yields, but those are closely guarded secrets these days.

Anyway, I'm glad that there's a reasonable part between the 60 CU and 80 CU variants. Rumors only showed up indicating such a part more recently, and I got tired of trying to chase down and verify such things. Happy to see I was wrong and that AMD really did show the second tier GPU, but again it was nearly the same performance as the top tier GPU.

Also, AMD is definitely skewing charts in their favor on RX 6900 XT by enabling the one-touch Rage Mode overclocking, plus Smart Memory Access. I don't mind the latter so much -- it's the benefit of running AMD on AMD, basically -- but I do wonder if there are ways other platforms could enable larger apertures, and why it hasn't been done up until now.

Ray tracing and DLSS are still going to be important battlegrounds, especially with the next-gen consoles supporting RT. AMD may have an advantage, since it provides the console GPUs. Then again, 52 CUs is a decent step down from RX 6800, and the 36 CU PS5 and 20 CU Xbox Series S won't be anywhere close to Navi 21 performance. So, console games probably won't push RT as much as PC games, since we have PC GPUs that are already potentially 50% faster than the best console hardware. Anyway, exciting times!
 
52 CUs is a decent step down from RX 6800, and the 36 CU PS5 and 20 CU Xbox Series S won't be anywhere close to Navi 21 performance. So, console games probably won't push RT as much as PC games, since we have PC GPUs that are already potentially 50% faster than the best console hardware.
All the more reason people need to stop comparing console to PC.
 
Also, AMD is definitely skewing charts in their favor on RX 6900 XT by enabling the one-touch Rage Mode overclocking, plus Smart Memory Access. I don't mind the latter so much -- it's the benefit of running AMD on AMD, basically -- but I do wonder if there are ways other platforms could enable larger apertures, and why it hasn't been done up until now.

I admit that the same thought occurred to me when I read that bit - I'd never really understood the Aperture setting in the BIOS, but, why was it limited? Was it simply overlooked all these years?

As for Rage Mode, well, I can live with that, I think. It's not just overclocking, but officially sanctioned overclocking. (also, the snarky side of me wonders if the same people who complain that Ryzen can't overclock will complain that the Big Navi overclocking is cheating/unfair). At least we're not getting exploding capacitors... 😆
 
Four games in 4k used by both AMD and TH Reviews:
6800xt 6900 3080FE 3090FE
Borderland 3 63 71 71 76

Div 2 74 81 77 81

Forza 4 138 169 152 158

Shadow 88 96 89 95

Apples to apples????? Who knows????
Well, I think we already know those numbers aren't exactly apples to apples if for no other reason than those results for the 3900 XT and RTX 3080FE are OC'd, while those results for the 6800 XT and RTX 3090FE are stock.
 
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I'm personally most interested in the 6800. With my 100Hz 3440x1440 monitor I don't need the extra grunt of the 6800XT with the 6800 supposedly providing 18% more performance than a 2080Ti. Right now I would need a 2080Ti/RTX 3070 to max out settings and FPS on my monitor so the extra power of the 6800 would give me higher mins.
 
The card isnt reviewed yet and a fanboy is claiming "far superior"
They're comparing Radeon Boost to DLSS. Boost came out nearly a year ago and I haven't seen anything to suggest it will work significantly different/better with Navi 2x, so whether or not Navi 2x has been reviewed is irrelevant.

As far as the comparison itself, original DLSS seemed pretty useless and no better (if not worse) than regular upscaling and maybe a sharpening filter. DLSS 2.x does seem to be quite good from what I've seen (in the limited number of games that support it of course), such that it might be valid to call it "far superior" to Boost. I did a quick search and didn't find any recent evaluations of Boost though, no idea if it's improved since it first came out.
 
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Four games in 4k used by both AMD and TH Reviews:
6800xt 6900 3080FE 3090FE
Borderland 3 63 71 71 76
Div 2 74 81 77 81
Forza 4 138 169 152 158
Shadow 88 96 89 95

Apples to apples????? Who knows????
FYI, I don't test in Badass mode for BL3, so the numbers I showed are not comparable. Differences may exist with the others as well, and for sure we're not running the same test platform.
Who wonders what the 6700XT with 40 CUs would provide for performance? Will AMD be able to give say 2080 Super performance for sub 200W?
Dropping from 60 to 40 is a big dip, especially if RAM goes from 256-bit to 192-bit as well. Maybe the RAM matters less due to Infinity Cache, but 40 CUs is basically 5700 XT, probably with higher clocks. Probably ends up around RTX 2080 Super level?
 
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I'm personally most interested in the 6800. With my 100Hz 3440x1440 monitor I don't need the extra grunt of the 6800XT with the 6800 supposedly providing 18% more performance than a 2080Ti. Right now I would need a 2080Ti/RTX 3070 to max out settings and FPS on my monitor so the extra power of the 6800 would give me higher mins.
You're looking at a $580 GPU compared to a $650 GPU. That's 12% more money, for what appears to be about 12% more performance. Considering the rest of your PC, linear scaling generally means you should get the faster part. Incidentally, the 6900 XT is only 12% faster than the 6800 XT (including Rage Mode overclocking to boost performance), so 54% more money isn't really worth doing. That's my take at least. RX 6800 XT looks to be the best option of the three cards -- just like think RTX 3080 is the best option of the three 30-series GPUs (for similar reasons, though VRAM also comes into play).
 
The card isnt reviewed yet and a fanboy is claiming "far superior"
Really? I'm definitely AMD-leaning and I currently own an AMD GPU....

I use Radeon Boost. I understand the differences between it and DLSS 2.0

Not a single mention of "hardware level ray tracing". DX12 ray tracing works on any GPU. Much like FreeSync vs GSync though, an open API (DX12) will always overtake a proprietary one given enough time. Especially when AMD is in both consoles.
 
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I think it's important to acknowledge that while some of the numbers AMD posted are fudged (for example comparing stock 3090 to OC'd 6900 XT and only when paired with AMD 5000 series CPU), this is actually a very impressive showing by AMD. Being within striking distance of the 3090, a card which costs 50% more, is amazing and far better than anyone had expected. It's a huge generational leap for them. And while they're a bit behind with RT performance, and lacking some software features like DLSS, it's still a very respectable card at a very respectable price. I'm still picking up a 3090 because i have a G-Sync HDR display, and also because of DLSS, but if I didn't have a G-Sync display, I think I could find myself easily switching over to the 6900 XT at that price if the card was available.

Either way, I give full props to AMD for both their CPU and GPU launch. Amazing work. Far better than I or anyone in the industry would have expected.


Really? I'm definitely AMD-leaning and I currently own an AMD GPU....

I use Radeon Boost. I understand the differences between it and DLSS 2.0

Not a single mention of "hardware level ray tracing". DX12 ray tracing works on any GPU.

They mentioned 10x RT performance. So there is hardware ray tracing. But the fact that they didn't do any comparisons does mean their solution falls short of the RTX 3000 series. But considering even the RTX 3090 drops to 12-15fps in Fortnite at 4k with RTX On, I think it's not a big issue and still a good showing for their first generation ray tracing implementation.
 
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hmmm, numbers and graphs mean nothing if the drivers are terrible. wonder how many black screens and crashes they had creating these graphs.