News AMD's A620 Chipset Quietly Arrives Without Full Support for 65W-Plus CPUs

[PlaneInTheSky]

ddr 4 and ddr5 are about the same price

About the same price!? Baloney.

32GB DDR4 is half the price of 32GB DDR5.

32GB DDR4 is around $60.
32GB DDR5 is around $120.

 

[hotaru251]

IDK how anyone is shocked they are awful choice for AM5.

AM5 MB cost showed how much "features" cost.

when you are going bottom of the budget board don't expect much.

and nobody is gonna buy a $125 MB and pop a HALO cpu into it in future. its like putting a GPU into a MB that has last gen pcie spec..you losing performance you paid for by making bad mix.

 

[Ogotai]

About the same price!? Baloney.

32GB DDR4 is half the price of 32GB DDR5.

32GB DDR4 is around $60.
32GB DDR5 is around $120.

maybe where you are, but thats not the case every where.

i guess you would be one of those that would by a 13900 k, the cheapest board you can find, and the cheapest ddr4 you can get, then whine and complain about its performance, and how it doesnt work right.

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

maybe where you are, but thats not the case every where.

I just checked. 32GB DDR5 is about twice the price of 32GB DDR4 in the US, Canada, Europe, Australia and Japan.

Where do you live where DDR5 is "about the same price" as DDR4 like you claimed? Timbuktu?

 

[Unolocogringo]

Here we have the same situation with Intel.

Question - Will this motherboard support i9 13900k CPU?

Hi team, I got my hands on a i9 13900k for a sweet bargain I have no compatable motherboard and will need to buy one I was wondering if this motherboard (Gigabyte H610M H DDR4 Motherboard ) is compatabile for it I also want to ask whether this motherboard takes server RAM. On one website, it...

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Top of the line cpu with the cheapest board possible.

What can anyone say but what?

 

[SunMaster]

AMD needs to come out with a statement that makes it clear these $80-$180 A620 boards do not properly support X and X3D. Because they sold the whole AM5 platform on upgradability

I’ve bought motherboards and built systems since the 286-days and have never bought anything without checking compatibility first. Anyone building their own system does that. AMD does not need to «come forward and confess» just because some boards are limited, it’s the customers resposibility to make sure he has bought suitable components.

 

[SunMaster]

Here we have the same situation with Intel.

Question - Will this motherboard support i9 13900k CPU?

Hi team, I got my hands on a i9 13900k for a sweet bargain I have no compatable motherboard and will need to buy one I was wondering if this motherboard (Gigabyte H610M H DDR4 Motherboard ) is compatabile for it I also want to ask whether this motherboard takes server RAM. On one website, it...

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Top of the line cpu with the cheapest board possible.

What can anyone say but what?

Maybe read the excellent reply to the question you refer to?

However, being able to work does not mean it will work well. That motherboard has a very basic VRM design with no heatsink. I would not be surprised if that cpu is limited by the VRM which I expect would overheat under any load.

I fail to see how it differs much from the case with a620 boards.

 

[Unolocogringo]

Maybe read the excellent reply to the question you refer to?



I fail to see how it differs much from the case with a620 boards.

No difference, people make bad decisions all the time with builds.
Whether it be AMD or Intel.
This thread is about the cheap A620 boards.
We could have the same discussion about H610 boards not supporting high end CPUs.

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

AMD does not need to «come forward and confess» just because some boards are limited, it’s the customers resposibility to make sure he has bought suitable components.

Yes they do. AMD made the deceptive claim that $125 motherboards would "growth with you", clearly implying you could upgrade to higher-end CPU.

In reality these boards are limited to 65 watt CPU and won't properly support X and X3D chips.

Don't try to shove the mess AMD created with AM5 onto consumers.

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I’ve bought motherboards and built systems since the 286-days and have never bought anything without checking compatibility first. Anyone building their own system does that

Except AMD does not detail which CPU A620 supports anywhere, they are deliberately leaving people in the dark. In fact the first indications that A620 would not properly support X and X3D, did not come from AMD, but from tech journalists asking mobo makers.

Do you contact mobo makers before you buy a motherboard? Right, I didn't think so.

 

[SunMaster]

Yes they do. AMD made the deceptive claim that $125 motherboards would "growth with you", clearly implying you could upgrade to higher-end CPU.

In reality these boards are officially limited to 65 watt CPU and won't properly support X and X3D chips.

Don't try to shove the mess AM5mess AMD created onto consumers.

You are clearly failong to understand what this, or maybe replace ‘this’ with ‘a’, chipset is and is not,

The chipset does not limit support to 65 watts, but board design can and will do.

Earlier in the thread this link was posted

a620 board supporting 120 watt cpu

Stop using word like deception, lies and false - it’s not a conspiracy.

 

[PlaneInTheSky]

Stop using word like deception, lies and false

Here is AMD's slide about AM5 motherboards.

In this slide, AMD claims AM5 motherboards natively supports 170 watt and PCIe 5.0.

Clearly not the truth since A620 is severely power limited to 65 watt CPU and is PCIe 4.0, it even uses PCIe 3.0 for the chip lane.

You wanna explain how this is not deception smart guy?

 

[SunMaster]

Here is AMD's slide about AM5 motherboards.

Claiming AM5 motherboards natively supports 170watt and is PCIe 5.0.

Clearly not the truth since A620 is severely power limited and is PCIe 4.0, it even uses PCIe for the chip lane.

You wanna explain how this is not deception smart guy?

Are you for real? AM5 socket spec does allow for 170 watts. The keyword is socket. Did your understanding of this make it so all boards having an AM5 socket must support this, otherwise AMD is deceiving its customers?

 

[thisisaname]

For many people this board will be fine, but AMD being quite about the launch is a bit suspect.
If you not overclocking it or going to be using PCIe 5 parts. Not that they are going to provide very much more performance over 4 for the people who are looking for a board at this price point.

When the price of the board start to get close to $200 I would just get a cheap 650 instead, at that price they are just not worth it.

It needs to be made clear by the board partners the full spec of the boards and not hidden in some small print on the back of the box.
AMD needs to make sure this happens and to make it clear what CPUs the board can be expected to support in the future.

 

[Ogotai]

I just checked. 32GB DDR5 is about twice the price of 32GB DDR4 in the US, Canada, Europe, Australia and Japan.

Where do you live where DDR5 is "about the same price" as DDR4 like you claimed? Timbuktu?

which speeds are you comparing ? that also dictates the prices too, and which sites did you check ?

as i said in a post above :
planeinthesky, i guess you would be one of those that would by a 13900 k, the cheapest board you can find, and the cheapest ddr4 you can get, then whine and complain about its performance, and how it doesnt work right.
who in their right mind when buying a new comp, would look at a ddr 4 based system ? i sure wasnt a week ago, and i have 96 gigs of ram in this comp, and i would have to temporally drop down to 32 gigs and make due, till 64gig kits dropped in price.

planeinthesky is splitting hairs. i highly doubt he would be posting all of this , if this was about intels platform.

sunmaster is correct, the SOCKET supports up to 170w, whether or not the BOARD does, that depends on the board itself.

 

[TerryLaze]

Yes they do. AMD made the deceptive claim that $125 motherboards would "growth with you", clearly implying you could upgrade to higher-end CPU.

Grow with you does not mean what you think it means, if these a620 boards can take the next gen of 65w CPUs and if those will be faster, then that board will have "grown with you" .

Earlier in the thread this link was posted

a620 board supporting 120 watt cpu

Stop using word like deception, lies and false - it’s not a conspiracy.

If those 120W are the maximum W the board can supply then this board only fully supports 65W since the 105W TDP CPUs already go up to 140 PPT so they won't get their full boost.

 

[SunMaster]

Grow with you does not mean what you think it means, if these a620 boards can take the next gen of 65w CPUs and if those will be faster, then that board will have "grown with you" .

If those 120W are the maximum W the board can supply then this board only fully supports 65W since the 105W TDP CPUs already go up to 140 PPT so they won't get their full boost.

I cannot find the list of supported CPUs anywhere on asrocks site. If it’s 120 watt TDP then all CPUs except then 170 watt ones are supported. Although not necessarily a good idea. If I were to guess this is the case.

 

[TerryLaze]

I cannot find the list of supported CPUs anywhere on asrocks site. If it’s 120 watt TDP then all CPUs except then 170 watt ones are supported. Although not necessarily a good idea. If I were to guess this is the case.

Yeah, but that's the thing, we have to guess.
If I would to guess, 65W TDP = 88W PPT + 30% headroom for safety, to keep the VRMs cool enough, and possibly a bit of overclock = 120W

 

[Elusive Ruse]

I cannot find the list of supported CPUs anywhere on asrocks site. If it’s 120 watt TDP then all CPUs except then 170 watt ones are supported. Although not necessarily a good idea. If I were to guess this is the case.

I don't think Asrock has updated their CPU support list, none of the Zen 4 CPUS have an A620 listed.
https://www.asrock.com/support/cpu.asp?s=AM5&u=705

Asus lists all Zen 4 CPUs as supported on their TUF GAMING A620M-PLUS:
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-c...vl_cpu/?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-A620M-PLUS-WIFI

Gigabyte lists all Zen 4 CPUs as well for their A620M GAMING AX:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/A620M-GAMING-X-AX-rev-10/support#support-cpu

MSI's CPU support page for their PRO A620M-E wouldn't load for me for whatever reason, maybe you can give it a try:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-A620M-E/support#support-cpu

 

[TechieTwo]

This constant harping on AMD and the A620 mobos is a waste of time and energy. The chipset does NOT determine what CPU can be run on a specific model mobo. The VRM circuit is generally the determining factor and has been for many iterations of CPU families both Intel and AMD.

This A620 story has caused a lot of fuss over nothing and disparaged AMD who has done nothing wrong. They have in fact allowed customers to move to the AM5 CPUs at a dirt cheap price. Instead of applauding AMD there is a misguided effort to insult and malign AMD because some folks lack technical understanding of mobo design and application.

As I posted many posts ago Asrock is offering an A620 mobo for $100 that supports CPUs up to 120w. If your are not happy with that then you'll need to move up to a B650 or X670 mobo that supports 170w or more. Always check the CPU wattage rating to be sure what CPUs you can use at their full power consumption load and speeds.

Pissing and moaning about an entry level mobo that cost <$125. because it won't run 170w CPUs at their maximum speed is pointless and technically clueless. No technically astute person building a PC that wants to use the top-of-the-line CPU/GPU available would buy a $100 entry level mobo.

Continuing to abuse AMD isn't going to change anything nor should it. They have done consumers a favor by offering an entry level AM5 mobo design that sells for less than $125. People with limited budgets should be thankful not disrespectful of AMD's consideration.

 

[pointa2b]

A budget motherboard limited to "budget" 7000 series CPUs.... who is this hurting exactly lol. Would anyone really be putting a 7950X3D in one of these, vs spending a nominal amount more for one of the other motherboards?

 

[Unolocogringo]

I don't think Asrock has updated their CPU support list, none of the Zen 4 CPUS have an A620 listed.
https://www.asrock.com/support/cpu.asp?s=AM5&u=705

Asus lists all Zen 4 CPUs as supported on their TUF GAMING A620M-PLUS:
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-c...vl_cpu/?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-A620M-PLUS-WIFI

Gigabyte lists all Zen 4 CPUs as well for their A620M GAMING AX:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/A620M-GAMING-X-AX-rev-10/support#support-cpu

MSI's CPU support page for their PRO A620M-E wouldn't load for me for whatever reason, maybe you can give it a try:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-A620M-E/support#support-cpu

Thanks for the facts, way too much speculation/guessing going on.

 

[TechieTwo]

The author of this story needs to update/change the totally incorrect and misleading story title and apologize to AMD and Tom's Hardware readership. It would have taken all of about two minutes to e-mail any of the major mobo makers to confirm that A620 mobos were NOT limited to 65w CPUs only and that some mobos would support up to 120w CPUs at a extremely low price of <$125. U.S.

I expect better fact checking and reporting before publishing such a story accusing AMD of unscrupulous activity when there clearly is none. This is an embarrassment for Tom's Hardware IMNHO.

 

[ocer9999]

It seems somehow Asrock R&D got around the PCIe 5.0 limitation somehow...

 

[TerryLaze]

The author of this story needs to update/change the totally incorrect and misleading story title and apologize to AMD and Tom's Hardware readership. It would have taken all of about two minutes to e-mail any of the major mobo makers to confirm that A620 mobos were NOT limited to 65w CPUs only and that some mobos would support up to 120w CPUs at a extremely low price of <$125. U.S.

I expect better fact checking and reporting before publishing such a story accusing AMD of unscrupulous activity when there clearly is none. This is an embarrassment for Tom's Hardware IMNHO.

Where in the title does it say that a620 is limited to 65W CPUs???
Two minutes to e-mail?! It takes like 2 seconds to read the title...

 

[PEnns]

It's an AMD problem because AMD flat out lied about AM5 in their slides.

AMD said "$125 motherboards" would "grow with you" and would last "through 2025+".

In reality, these $125 motherboards have a cut down chipset and cut down VRM that doesn't even support today's X or X3D series CPU, let alone those from 2025+.

When people buy a $125 motherboard, only to realise it doesn't support X or X3D CPU and they can't upgrade, they're not going to be happy. The whole selling point of AM5 was that it would "grow with you". But AMD forgot to tell anyone that you need a $250+ motherboard to do that. AMD plastered the "$125 motherboard" on their slides that in reality won't "grow with you" instead.

AMD writes right under the "$125 motherboard" sentence that you could "grow to PCIe 5.0", implying you could use existing PCIe 4.0 hardware and then upgrade it to 5.0 hardware. But the $125A620 mobo don't support PCIe 5.0, they feature PCIe 4.0 and only use PCIe 3.0 for the chipset lanes. There is no "growing into PCIe 5.0", these boards flat out don't support PCIe 5.0.

Are you really implying that AMD (nVidia, intel, etc) can force or even or tell Asus, or whoever what to produce and sell their motherboards (or any product)??

Totally preposterous to imply anything to that effect!!