anyone know about Pinnacle Ridge? i'm saving dollars for a build next year and it looks like it'll be pinnacle ridge if it's available 2018. hope its a slightly speed bumped ryzen 😀
Most here expect same IPC but with maybe 200-300mhz more clock speed. So like we will see most if not all CPU's from Pinnacle Ridge to hit 4.0 during a OC where right now Ryzen's between 3.8-4.1 with a lot only getting 3.8-3.9.
I hope the IMC will be better and run DDR4 3200+ better its always possible since the X series are rumored to be better for higher memory support. Both G-Skill and Corsair has stated this as well.
AMD plans to support its Socket AM4 for all of its processors until 2020, so Intel’s lack of backward compatibility with existing 200-series chipsets will likely dominate the conversation.
That AM4 upgrade path is not confirmed. The only confirmed AM4 socket processor is Pinnacle Ridge. And even if it is finally confirmed that AM4 will last until 2020, AM4 customers will miss updates as DDR5 and PCIe4.
Intel and AMD are the key enablers for the broad desktop market; we certainly won't see PCIe 4.0 GPUs and SSDs without a slot to plug them into. AMD has slated PCIe 4.0 for 2020. We imagine Intel is also chomping at the bit to deploy PCIe 4.0 3D XPoint and NVMe SSDs, but the company remains silent on its timeline.
Yeah it's still far to early for DDR5 and PCI-E 4.0 to become mainstream anyways. They can't even get DDR4 ram prices in check last thing they should be worrying about is a newer standard.
AM4 will probably be around until 2020 and with Zen3. PCI-E 4.0 isn't even needed with a 1080Ti.
PCi4 SSDs are scheduled for next year.
Most likely we will see AM4 be like AM3 meaning new chipsets will come out for Zen 2 and 3 but they will work on older chipsets too depending on bios updates. For PCI-E 4.0 it will probably just be in a newer chipset and it will provide 1-3% difference for 3 years at least for games.
But i will say not a lot of people need a new board when upgrading but the platform forces the user too. On forums every day i hear people wanting to upgrade their 2500K(or worse i3-3220) to something modern be nice to put a haswell chip in it or better since the board still has USB 3.0, PCI-E 3.0 basically all most in this community cares to have.
Taking a look at the ASUS P8Z77-V LK it still has 4 USB 3.0 connections, 2 PCI-E 3.0 X16 slots, basically all its missing is a M.2 slot which basically doesn't offer major noticeable differences compared to a SATA SSD for most people who just game.
Still waiting on Intel to explain in full detail why users have to upgrade their 2016-2017 Z170, Z270 boards which have adequate VRM for a 6 core coffee-lake CPU when it has the exact pin layout.
I would understand them locking it out on weaker boards do to VRM quality but not everyone. In todays world with the north bridge and south bridge being integrated into the CPU it just doesn't make a lot of sense to have to upgrade their boards everytime a new CPU comes out.
I'll be happy to put a Zen 3 based CPU in my ASRock X370 Taichi in 2020 and not have to spend 200$ more on a board when mine still has all the connections i need and want.
AMD seems to be doing as much as they can to come back in a big way. I am using the Model P8Z77-V with my i5 2500K. It's still a great board and processor. I decided to wait to see what the next node shrink offers before I make my decision to upgrade. I've had my eye on AMD since GlobalFoundries and IBM teamed up, and started making working 7, and 5nm chips. 8 real cores for under $300 is just amazing. And the upgrade path on AM4 till 2020! It's ideal and so much cheaper than Intel has ever been! We will find out more about the semiconductor situation with GlobalFoundries next Wednesday! Let's hope they make their first product on time lol!
For sure i hope they can get their product out on time or hell even sooner that would give me a lot of hope. Ryzen 2 at this point is probably already 100% done from a design stand point, Amd is probably just waiting for global foundries.
AMD plans to support its Socket AM4 for all of its processors until 2020, so Intel’s lack of backward compatibility with existing 200-series chipsets will likely dominate the conversation.
That AM4 upgrade path is not confirmed. The only confirmed AM4 socket processor is Pinnacle Ridge. And even if it is finally confirmed that AM4 will last until 2020, AM4 customers will miss updates as DDR5 and PCIe4.
Intel and AMD are the key enablers for the broad desktop market; we certainly won't see PCIe 4.0 GPUs and SSDs without a slot to plug them into. AMD has slated PCIe 4.0 for 2020. We imagine Intel is also chomping at the bit to deploy PCIe 4.0 3D XPoint and NVMe SSDs, but the company remains silent on its timeline.
Yeah it's still far to early for DDR5 and PCI-E 4.0 to become mainstream anyways. They can't even get DDR4 ram prices in check last thing they should be worrying about is a newer standard.
AM4 will probably be around until 2020 and with Zen3. PCI-E 4.0 isn't even needed with a 1080Ti.
Technically, PCI-E 1.0 x16 is enough for a single 1080Ti. Barely, but still, it's not like we're hurting for bandwidth over the bus. The main benefits for newer PCI-E specs are more for lower latency, which have larger benefits for hardware other then GPUs (which aren't really that latency sensitive all things considered; 16ms is an eternity in computing).
AMD plans to support its Socket AM4 for all of its processors until 2020, so Intel’s lack of backward compatibility with existing 200-series chipsets will likely dominate the conversation.
That AM4 upgrade path is not confirmed. The only confirmed AM4 socket processor is Pinnacle Ridge. And even if it is finally confirmed that AM4 will last until 2020, AM4 customers will miss updates as DDR5 and PCIe4.
Intel and AMD are the key enablers for the broad desktop market; we certainly won't see PCIe 4.0 GPUs and SSDs without a slot to plug them into. AMD has slated PCIe 4.0 for 2020. We imagine Intel is also chomping at the bit to deploy PCIe 4.0 3D XPoint and NVMe SSDs, but the company remains silent on its timeline.
Yeah it's still far to early for DDR5 and PCI-E 4.0 to become mainstream anyways. They can't even get DDR4 ram prices in check last thing they should be worrying about is a newer standard.
AM4 will probably be around until 2020 and with Zen3. PCI-E 4.0 isn't even needed with a 1080Ti.
Technically, PCI-E 1.0 x16 is enough for a single 1080Ti. Barely, but still, it's not like we're hurting for bandwidth over the bus. The main benefits for newer PCI-E specs are more for lower latency, which have larger benefits for hardware other then GPUs (which aren't really that latency sensitive all things considered; 16ms is an eternity in computing).
I believe PCI-E 4.0 they are also pushing the removal of PCI-E power connectors, and have the socket supply all the power. And of course NVME.
anyone know about Pinnacle Ridge? i'm saving dollars for a build next year and it looks like it'll be pinnacle ridge if it's available 2018. hope its a slightly speed bumped ryzen 😀
Pinnacle Ridge is a Summit ridge with higher clocks because uses a more mature process node.
yeah ive seen that roadmap...im just eager to see the juicy products. i realise it's a bit early yet. 😉 i think its all very interesting microprocessor tech, admittedly i know very little about the designs of intel vs amd architecture/ chip design etc etc. presumeably intel and amd chip designs differ significantly but fundamentally they must have similarities. i dont have oodles of cash to buy the higher core count intel chips. so the more improvements amd make the better it will be. by the same token if amd did actually command/demand a higher price for their product, there would still be comparisons with intel offerings, and their sales might drop off. ryzen has done pretty well...a breath of fresh air for little consumers like me, even though i havent bought into it yet. but i will as soon as i can. i need another 6 months or so of savings to buy what i want....too many other expenses 😀
AMD plans to support its Socket AM4 for all of its processors until 2020, so Intel’s lack of backward compatibility with existing 200-series chipsets will likely dominate the conversation.
That AM4 upgrade path is not confirmed. The only confirmed AM4 socket processor is Pinnacle Ridge. And even if it is finally confirmed that AM4 will last until 2020, AM4 customers will miss updates as DDR5 and PCIe4.
Intel and AMD are the key enablers for the broad desktop market; we certainly won't see PCIe 4.0 GPUs and SSDs without a slot to plug them into. AMD has slated PCIe 4.0 for 2020. We imagine Intel is also chomping at the bit to deploy PCIe 4.0 3D XPoint and NVMe SSDs, but the company remains silent on its timeline.
Yeah it's still far to early for DDR5 and PCI-E 4.0 to become mainstream anyways. They can't even get DDR4 ram prices in check last thing they should be worrying about is a newer standard.
AM4 will probably be around until 2020 and with Zen3. PCI-E 4.0 isn't even needed with a 1080Ti.
PCi4 SSDs are scheduled for next year.
U1/U2 SKUs...sure...
Unless you intend to run a rack server, not super relevant.
Yeah. Looks like watt per watt they are really close to Intel, so I would imagine in the 35W arena they might actually get a *very* decent laptop SoC. I just hope OEMs don't screw it up with lame notebook offerings.
I think, for a 35W RR, a 14", 1080p, 2x8GB DDR4L3000Mhz, 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD equipped notebook would be amazing to have for ~USD$700.
Yeah. Looks like watt per watt they are really close to Intel, so I would imagine in the 35W arena they might actually get a *very* decent laptop SoC. I just hope OEMs don't screw it up with lame notebook offerings.
I think, for a 35W RR, a 14", 1080p, 2x8GB DDR4L3000Mhz, 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD equipped notebook would be amazing to have for ~USD$700.
Yeah. Looks like watt per watt they are really close to Intel, so I would imagine in the 35W arena they might actually get a *very* decent laptop SoC. I just hope OEMs don't screw it up with lame notebook offerings.
I think, for a 35W RR, a 14", 1080p, 2x8GB DDR4L3000Mhz, 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD equipped notebook would be amazing to have for ~USD$700.
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I agree and would be an absolute great buy!
I can't find anything in that price bracket that gets near ~USD$700... Would that be too optimistic? I do remember seeing some 15" models back when Llano was new at around that price with 1080p screens... Weird.
Yeah. Looks like watt per watt they are really close to Intel, so I would imagine in the 35W arena they might actually get a *very* decent laptop SoC. I just hope OEMs don't screw it up with lame notebook offerings.
I think, for a 35W RR, a 14", 1080p, 2x8GB DDR4L3000Mhz, 512GB SSD + 1TB HDD equipped notebook would be amazing to have for ~USD$700.
Cheers!
I agree and would be an absolute great buy!
I can't find anything in that price bracket that gets near ~USD$700... Would that be too optimistic? I do remember seeing some 15" models back when Llano was new at around that price with 1080p screens... Weird.
Looks neat. I hope they manage to squeeze a bit more out of it before final models land.
Why would us compare an unreleased quad-core RyZen with an older dual-core Skylake?
Why not a current quad-core Kabylake?
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3557230
A couple of differences I see is the i7 has twice the L3 cache and twice the memory. Which CPU does the Raven Ridge 2500U most resemble spec wise with Intel.
Looks neat. I hope they manage to squeeze a bit more out of it before final models land.
Why would us compare an unreleased quad-core RyZen with an older dual-core Skylake?
Why not a current quad-core Kabylake?
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/3557230
A couple of differences I see is the i7 has twice the L3 cache and twice the memory. Which CPU does the Raven Ridge 2500U most resemble spec wise with Intel.
Now the excuse is the L3 cache and the memory. When comparing EPYC to Broadwell twice the memory on EPYC wasn't a problem. Just a pair of posts above comparing quad-core Zen to dual-core Intel was applauded... I can see the pattern.
As I have been repeating since the past year, the Zen APUs have CCX with half the L3 cache. The APUs have half the cache to reduce power consumption. So if the quad-core mobile Zen has only 4MB of L3, and Intel quad-core mobile has 8MB of L3 we have to compare them as they are, because that is what laptops will use. No one will install a quad-core mobile Intel chip and will disable half the cache to please you.
It's even an Iris part. I'm actually liking this information. I just hope AMD doesn't go nuts with pricing >_<
Cheers!
It's definitely a huge improvement on previous generation. It's always about the price once a device does what you need it too!
Geekbench benchmarks indicate a 37% increase on single-core testing with a Ryzen 5 2500U APU compared with AMD’s top 7th generation APU, the A12-9800. Raven Ridge also performs 49% better in multi-core testing against the last generation, which is expected to have performance gains thanks to Raven Ridge’s extra threads.
AMD’s last generation A12-9800 is a desktop chip, and capable of running at up to 4.2GHz, while the Ryzen 5 2500U is supposedly easily defeating it’s 65W TDP last-gen rival at only 2.0GHz. For a mobile APU, the 2500U should also feature a much lower TDP than its desktop counterpart.
Edit: On a side note: I've remember years ago talking to some friends about ARM and Android. They were talking about wait till Intel gets cpu's in there. I said, price will always dictate what people will buy based on needs and wants. Needs will win out if the wants don't matter. Basically, as long as the screen and apps are responsive to fit you needs, performance beyond that is wasted and unnecessary. Not having better benchmarks doesn't necessarily mean that a product isn't good enough to do the job incredibly well.
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