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The BitsAndChips tweet says "Finally we will have serious gaming ultrabooks!".

That photo is not of an ultrabook motherboard. Moreover, Kabylake-G is not targeting gaming notebooks as main market.
 

Personally I don't think Nvidia is worried, they are more focused on AI, VR and data centers. They hold the Key.
"The future" is (AI) artificial intelligence, Data Center and VR, AR and Nvidia is pretty much leading the way. According to a recent report by 3DCenter, Nvidia holds 73%+ of the discrete GPU market share compared to AMD's (NASDAQ:AMD) -27%. (AMD is Nvidia's only competitor in this category).
Enter NVIDIA Corp. (NASDAQ: NVIDIA), one of the best-performing stocks of the past 12 months and a burgeoning leader in not only high-performance graphics chips but also artificial intelligence. The stock is up more than 300% in the past 12 months and shows no signs of stopping. However, for NVIDIA's true long-term potential to be realized, it will have to become part of an elite group of companies in the upper echelons of corporate America, alongside the likes of Google and Microsoft.

SoftBank’s Nvidia stake is reportedly worth $4Billion for 4.9 percent of the company, which it says would make SoftBank the fourth largest investor in the chip maker, they all wan't a piece of the cake and that cake is Nvidea https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/24/softbanks-nvidia-stake-is-reportedly-worth-4bn/
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/28/3-reasons-why-nvidia-is-a-bet-on-the-future.aspx
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nvidia-results-research/nvidia-shares-set-record-as-volta-chips-ensure-future-growth-idUSKBN1DA1TC
 


Ok, you are doing an analysis of the "now". What you're mixing is "now" and "next" in what you're writing. Even that "4BN" stake of SoftBank into nVidia was before the Intel announcement.

The AI and VR/AR territories are still being developed. IP is being created at a very high rate and new things are using processors in new and interesting ways. Put IBM in the mix as well, then you have an even stronger player looming in the shadows for computing needs. If you're talking about AI, then IBM is, or should be, the first company that comes to mind for everyone. I would imagine nVidia is making more noise about it, but they're still partnering with IBM for their AI stuff. I'm pretty sure they are also depending on IBM in some of the key aspects of AI they use (software more than hardware).

In any case, I won't deny nVidia is in a very good position, but being in a good position is not enough to fight Intel IMO. Specially in a developing market where you don't own any particular notable advantage. Currently, even if nVidia holds a lot of contracts with Car companies, they won't bat an eye to swap them for Intel if the economies of moving are in their favour. You'd have to ask yourself if nVidia would be able to lock them into their hardware and software ecosystem before Intel can reach out to them. Same for VR and AR.

Cheers!
 


Everything you said is correct. I just thought the picture was interesting. Intel aim to use 480 with HMB2 as discrete graphics for high end gaming solutions that are 11mm-14mm thick.

Edit: That looks like a NUC, which I believe they want to use this design for as well.
 


Agree the photo is interesting. My criticism was aimed at the text that Bits&Chips added to the photo.
 


Yeah, the statements from Bit's&Chips doesn't fit the picture, but that is the technology. If they put this in a NUC I would buy one. I love the minimalist approach. Discrete level graphics is the only thing that stopped me from buying one in the past.
 


Confirmed it has 11CUs and half the L3 cache... as some of us said. The 16CUs were only in Bits&Chips fantasies...

Wait a moment! Where is the second DDR4 channel? I only can identify a single DDR4 channel in the die. :??:
 


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looks like 2 channels to me just 0 on top is oddly spaced? I labeled 1 and 0? 11 CU's, but only 10 used for 2700U and 8 for 2500U.
The four cores will be in a single core complex (CCX), which AMD states will alleviate some of the questions about CCX-to-CCX latency that were present in the dual CCX design for the desktop processors. There is another cutback compared to the desktop: there is only 1MB of L3 cache per core rather than 2MB, giving a total of 4MB of L3 cache. AMD’s Zen cores use L3 victim caches, which for most CPU-based workloads have little effect; however the speed of this L3 will be important when it comes to using the integrated graphics.

The single silicon design has 11 Vega compute units onboard, of which the Ryzen 7 2700U will be able to use 10 of them, and the Ryzen 5 2500U will be able to use 8. These will be called ‘Vega 10’ and ‘Vega 8’ graphics respectively. AMD does not provide the base frequencies for the graphics, but does state that the maximum frequencies for the parts will be 1300 MHz and 1100 MHz respectively. One of AMD’s key discussion points in our briefings was around the ability to shift power between the CPU and the GPU to keep the maximum performance at all times.
Click to expand...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11964/ryzen-mobile-is-launched-amd-apus-for-laptops-with-vega-and-updated-zen

Edit: I couldn't see the L3 good enough to count it.
2nd Edit: L2 looks like same pattern 4 wide 8 tall as Ryzen 512KB
3rd Edit: I can count the L3 4x4 pattern 2 per core making 1 mb per core, just like anandtech says.
 


I was using this annotated die as reference.

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but it could be a wrong reference.
 


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https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/microarchitectures/zen


Edit: PCI Express and prefetch buffers listed? look correct.
 


I know that. I was talking about the size of the board and what it looks like. Technically yes the Pi is smaller and slower in every way.
😉
 
I love it. We are inching closer to a very small form factor with everything integrated on the same PCB. I can't wait! I want extremely small form factor disposable/replaceable/upgradable boards. Hopefully, we will have non-volatile RAM that can replace system memory, and become long term storage. We are getting there, but there is still work to be done.
micron-nvdimm.png

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XPoint_DIMM.png

These come with 32GB of DRAM plus 64GB of SLC NAND flash.
https://www.pcper.com/news/Storage/Micron-Launches-32GB-NVDIMM-N-Intel-Announces-3D-XPoint-NVDIMM
 


Those annotated dies from wikichip are correct. The one I was using is invalid.
 


So, they're putting an "SSD" in the SO-DIMM RAM module?

I mean... That sounds cool and all, but... Given the cycles for current NAND modules, is that even a good idea? 3DPoint, since it's using something different, might be a better match, but I don't really think this marriage is a good idea for long term deployments in systems. That would mean the RAM comes with an expiry date, right? Plus, you won't be able to expand them as standalone.

I'm not fully convinced using regular NAND (as Micron presents there) is a good idea at all, but I can see it's niche application in Servers at least. It's kind of like the Radeon SSG-somethingsomething with an SSD slapped into it.

Cheers!
 


It's a great idea to reduce the size of a system by eliminating a bulky component completely. I'm thinking of it's ability to help create smaller form factors. But let's look at the claims:
First Solution Delivering 2933 MT/s Speeds to Eliminate Storage Bottlenecks

What sets it apart from standard server DRAM is its ability to preserve information in the event of a power loss.
Click to expand...

My takeaway is that it's basically non-volatile RAM. But it lacks endurance of DDR, so I don't expect servers to adopt this technology except in "niche" applications like you said. I can tell you I wish I had non-volatile RAM in my system on more than 100 different occasions. hahaha... But this is a strong move in the right direction to satisfy my personal desires for creating smaller systems.

Edit: It would be nice to hit the power button, and the system would already be loaded like a sleep function!
 


Uhm... Well, if they make the obvious security concern a non-issue, then it should sell, I guess?

Cheers!

PS: Obvious security concern would be data stored in the RAM could be read when disposed of.
 


It's a video full of his opinions, which I think can be taken with a grain of salt for the most part. His commentary on the VRM's is what I find more informative. People can pick which options best fit their needs when it comes to motherboards.
 
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