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AMD Powered Retro Atari Console Launches Pre-Orders and Quickly Crashes Indiegogo:
https://gizmodo.com/ataris-retro-console-launches-pre-orders-quickly-crash-1826424433

"In a press release, Atari explained the Atari VCS will include a custom-built processor made by AMD (yes, the same company that built microprocessors for the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.) This chip will feature a variation of AMD’s Radeon graphics technology, meaning the Atari VCS will run certain modern PC games. Elsewhere, the Atari VCS runs on a variant of Linux, meaning it's somewhat customisable."
http://www.alphr.com/games/1006334/ataribox-atari-vcs-release-date-preorder

I think it has a Bristol Ridge CPU and a Radeon R7 but I'm not sure, one article say's it's a custom built chip...

This seem's to be a hell of a lot more populor than anyone previously realized. Rumoured to run some modern games !
Looks like this could turn out to be be some nice additional revenue for AMD.
 
I have to agree there... Now the real interesting "mile stone" will be any products we can see first in 7nm. That will mark AMD's take over of the top spot from Intel or not (at least for a couple months 😛).

Cheers!
 
Quad-core Ryzen H-series with integrated graphics
AMD-Ryzen-7-2800H-vs-Ryzen-5-2600H.png

https://videocardz.com/76318/amd-to-enter-high-performance-mobile-market-with-ryzen-7-2800h-and-ryzen-5-2600h
 
A Thought on Silicon Design: Intel’s LCC on HEDT Should Be Dead
by Ian Cutress on June 1, 2018 9:00 AM EST
Based on previous discussions from one member of the industry, I do not doubt that Intel might still win in the absolute raw money-is-no-object performance with its best high-end $10k+ parts. They are very good at that, and they have the money and expertise for these super halo, super high-bin monolithic parts. But if AMD makes the jump to Zen 2 and 7 nm before Intel comes to market with a post-Cascade Lake product on 10nm, then AMD is likely have the better, more aggressive, and more investment friendly product portfolio.

Competition is good.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/12814/a-thought-on-silicon-design-intels-lcc-on-hedt-is-dead?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&_ga=2.235336066.2092670281.1527808016-185335334.1520616402
 
AMD promises ‘never-before-seen hardware demonstrations’ for Computex Press Conference
Published: 1st Jun 2018, 20:15 GMT
Yesterday’s press release has not really been very informative when it comes to actual details regarding upcoming Computex 2018 press conference that AMD announced. We have just received an email from AMD with slightly more details about the conference.

The event will take place next week on June 6th in Taipei. The marketing campaign has already started and AMD is making sure that all fans will tune in to listen to what Lisa Su and Jim Anderson have to say.

The interesting bit from the email is clearly this line: ‘never-before-seen hardware demonstrations‘ and ‘details showcasing high-performance leadership and innovation‘. This smells a lot like Threadripper 2000, or mysterious Z490 chipset.

AMD also promises ‘updates on current and upcoming products‘. There are few topics that we expect to be covered there. Starting with Radeon Vega Mobile, and by that, I mean actual mobile high-performance gaming chip, not an integrated solution. This is the sixth month after Vega Mobile announcement at CES, so it’s about time we hear more details.
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https://videocardz.com/76372/amd-promises-never-before-seen-hardware-demonstration-for-computex-press-conference
 


Threadripper to me isn't that impressive its always easier to shove more cores in then to improve per core performance.
Threadripper 2950X or whatever its called will probably be clocked around the same as the 2700X(XFR for sure will go to 4.3 or a little higher) i do know we are getting a 45 watt 8 core Ryzen chip now that's something i actually like hearing.


Really at this time i simply don't see Intel ever having the lead they once had. X86/x64 simply can't be pushed much further as others and i said in this forum years ago once Intel and Amd get to the point where they can't shrink their process node we will see both become about the same in terms of performance after that all we have is marketing and features to separate the 2.


I hope Amd gets their GPU division correct i feel like its impossible for Amd to have the best of both i mean as soon as they get a beast CPU they hype and release the worst GPU in terms of practicality in the history of GPU's for gaming anyways. That's basically why i had no issue with that Raja Koduri guy leaving Amd and going to Intel if anything it's good news for Amd lol.

RX 480 was a nice efficient GPU however have to give Amd credit for that.
 
ThreadRipper actually provides a lot of value in the HEDT community. It put Intel's runaway pricing in check, and destroyed Intel's PCI-E pricing segmentation. More cores/threads and more connectivity is what separates HEDT from mainstream, so it's accomplishing that goal.

I think you are correct, Intel has used it's processing advantage to help create and maintain advantage over it's competition. Part of the reason Intel is in the mess it's in with 10nm, is their attempt to use a more aggressive shrink and implement COAG to keep with the tradition of process dominance, so they don't have a straight up uArch vs. uArch competition that they would lose, or tie.

AMD needs to reform there GPU division I agree! If AMD can start generating some serious revenue they will be able to afford to put more effort into the GPU division. 7nm is going to do amazing things for AMD next year.
 
That was interesting, but nothing they announced makes me really excited, to be honest. I guess they are what we all want: iterative improvements on top of solid grounds (my exception being Vega 😛) with a new fancy process.

Solid steps forward, although boring, they are important to make none the less. So, all good there.

It's nice to see Intel taking jabs from the side as well, making AMD change it's mind and, probably, messages given to the public, haha.

Cheers!
 
STH has some info on upcoming EPYC 2 (sampling this year launching 2019)
Apparently EPYC 2 will be 48 cores 96 threads
Next generation (EPYC 3 ????) will be 64 cores 128 threads
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-rome-details-trickle-out-64-cores-128-threads-per-socket/
 
I expect they actually lower all core max clocks.

Threadripper 1 only had 2 active dies. Threadripper gen 2 will top at 32 cores, that is 4 ryzen+ dies. Clocks will probably be similar to 2700 (non-X) that has a 65W TDP. 4x dies at 65W nearly fit into a 250W envelope.

That does not prevent that when only 1 (or very few) cores are active clocks can be higher.
 
Uhm... That sounds weird... Did AMD (it's lawyers) find a loop hole in the licensing deal or something? I thought that Intel wanted to keep X86 to itself like its dirty underwear. I'm pretty damn sure we'll be reading/hearing about Intel making some sort of mode to block this. Maybe the US Government will?

Cheers!
 


Re-implementation of the instruction set is perfectly OK. Just a PITA to accomplish. Same reason WINE and ReactOS don't infringe on MSFT patents.
 


And what is the difference between what, say, Samsung could do if they so desire with X86 and what AMD currently has in terms of licensing with Intel? Access to specific extensions in the instruction set so they can be run without re-compiling code?

Cheers!
 
It's not a re-implementation of the ISA. Only Intel, AMD and VIA have a license to do so. They actually bought IP from AMD (presumably Zen) and they are putting it all together to make a SoC.

Speaking of VIA, this is another interesting venture that it's closer to a re-implementation of the ISA. The catch here is that VIA is co-owner of Zhaoxin
https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/733/zhaoxin-launches-their-highest-performance-chinese-x86-chips/
 


There's really two things going on here: You have the ISA that you want to be able to execute, and you have the specific implementation of that ISA.

In the case of AMD/VIA, they own an x86 license which allows them to use the x86 ISA and a certain subset of it's extensions. However, AMD/VIA have to come up with their own implementation of the x86 ISA; they just can't copy Intel's CPU designs, which are protected by various copyright/patent protections.

What I think is going on here, is AMD licensed out the use of the Zen CPU architecture. However, by itself this would not allow the use of the x86 ISA; this would likely have to be re-implemented by using Clean Room Design principles, as I am pretty sure the AMD x86 license is non-transferable.

It's possible AMD licensed just the x86-64 ISA, which would allow the use of the 64-bit instructions but not the legacy 16/32-bit ones; I'm not sure how that works out legally though, since x86-64 can be thought of as an extension to x86. That's a bit of a legal mess honestly.

In summation, what I think is happening here is AMD licensed out it's Zen CPU architecture, and the x86 ISA was either re-implemented via Clean Room Design OR is limited to just the x86-64 portions of the x86 ISA (the only portion I believe AMD *maybe* has the right to transfer).
 
I was very clear on both accounts, that is why re-implementing sounds like it's a no-go either. Legacy X86 code will not run in a CPU with only X86-64 in it, so if that company has Zen with that alone, they'll need a specific kernel to that end. In all fairness, that is trivial to do for big companies paying the money AMD and Intel usually ask for these designs anyway.

What is still weird to me, is they are saying they licensed out the design of Zen, but Zen is kind of useless outside of the X86 ISA... Unless there's more to this than just licensing out "Zen" as a product/design off the shelf.

They could be talking about the Infinity Fabric portion? They could also be talking about the IMC, Cache structure and algorithms? Things that can be a bit more "portable" and completely ISA agnostic.

Cheers!
 
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