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jdwii said:
To give my non nerdy response if your PC does everything that you want it to do then don't even consider upgrading enjoy what you have. But if you want faster decodes/encodes, faster transfers, or higher frame rates then consider buying newer parts......Also less people are concerned then me but i feel like in 2019 a PC should be 99.5% silent when doing anything a tablet or smart phone can do including 4K video playback and web browsing. That's one reason i feel people should upgrade to improve their cooling and fans
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I completely agree. Especially in the age we are in where moore's law is "dying" so to speak. The huge leaps in performance we used to have are no longer possible due to the limits of nature itself. So there is even less reason to upgrade when the newest hot CPU is maybe 15% faster than your current CPU if you have a 4 year old chip or something like that.
 
absolutely! my A6 serves my purposes well (for only 256 USD at Amazon yrs ago) and I don't need anything really. My kid does want to do music production so we will probably build for that. I use my PCs until they die and are not worth fixing, so very old, at least 8-10 years of active daily duty
 
If all you do is browse the web, read emails, or even stream fhd (or even 4k video) video from sites like netflix or youtube, it amazing how little power you need.
You could build a system with an athlon 200ge for about $200 and have a great time. You could do web browsing, simple picture editing, 1080p/4k content streaming, and even play a few esports titles at 720p.

I love the 200ge. Vega graphics, 2c/4t ased on zen architecture, and even overclocking on some boards.
 
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all i do is remote into work with mine, so work only and it's basically a cheap client
 
Well since the 200ge is modern the motherboards would have fast ethernet and be pretty nice for that.
You could even use the 200ge as a client for cloud gaming services thanks to the pretty fast ethernet and the decent power of the 200ge.

Id still buy a 2200g or 2400g is possible.
 
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Well, that picture they had looked pretty legit, but photoshop does exist.
You probably are right about the all core turbo. Nothing an overclock cant fix. I really hope AMD doesn't go Intel with TDP lies. AMD has already followed Intel with crazy expensive motherboards.

I suspect B550 and other older boards will be a more popular and a much cheaper option than X570 boards. I bet B550 will lack PCI-E 4, meaning the overall PCB cost can come down. Also, the chipset should be cheaper and no active chipset cooling should be needed. I just hope some B550 boards come with these true 10+ phase VRMs and great memory overclocking that X570 boards get.
 
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remixislandmusic said:
I just hope some B550 boards come with these true 10+ phase VRMs and great memory overclocking that X570 boards get.
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Ridiculous VRMs are only necessary for extreme overclocking. Most mainstream motherboards today have triple or quads "twin phases" (two sets of FETs and inductors in parallel on each phase), just getting real 6-8 phases (no doublers, no twins) instead would already be a considerable improvement in the mainstream space by doing nothing more than upgrading the VRM controller from 3-4 phases to 6-8, everything else is already on the board.
 
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Yea, I know. It kind of puts my B350 gaming plus with a mere 4+2 Phase VRM with tiny heat syncs to shame.

X570 boards seem insanely excessively built.
EX:
Apparently, the new Gigabyte X570 Extreme uses a true 14+2 phase VRM based around a 1000A Infineon controller designed for high-end server boards.
This board features 70A smart power stages.
It features 2x8pin CPU power connectors.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszxxIumJOQ


I have been enjoying these videos on VRM design and have learned a lot from them.
 
Motherboard manufactures for years have been making worse VRM heatsinks and cheaping out with 4 phase solutions and it was about time the industry put a stop to it.

Flashy metal blocks do nothing to help temps and a lot of users buying 6+ cores are actually using them under load some for 8+ hours a day. I knew Amd would follow their word and keep AM4 to 2020 so that is why i invested in a board with great VRM with X370 as i knew PCI-E 4.0(5.0) or 10+GB Ethernet wouldn't matter to me for years to come or higher core counts for that matter. Games won't use more then 8 cores heavily for years to come and most of the encodes i do are so fast that popping in a new 8 core Zen 2 would make both gaming and encodes faster without the worry of VRM temps.

I can run Prime 95 for over 8 hours and not even hit 65C on my VRM and that is with a AIO and all my case fans spinning at 550RPM. It's my darn M.2 drive that gets hot lol
 
rigg42 said:
I suspect the all core turbo isn't that high. Either that or AMD is playing Intel's game with TDP. This isn't the most reliable source in the world although this close to the E3 announcements I tend to think it's probably for real.
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Or that's a predicted TDP using the stock cooler. Ryzen 2000 does clock higher if thermals and eletricals permit, right? With a watercooler, could we see the 16 cores at 4GHz or above?
 
The R9-3950X will have a boost clock to 4.7GHz, I can only assume they mean on a single core, maybe two cores. I believe the base clock is 3.5GHz. I figure with a decent CPU Cooler you could get an allcore 4.0GHz and boost on one or two cores to 4.85GHz some might make it to 5.0GHz or 5.1GHz with a custom water cooling, good high quality memory, probably once UEFI/BIOS updates come out to fix the initial glitches inherent with all new chipsets.

The interesting thing about AMD's 14nm 1000 series and 12nm 2000 series is they were built on a low power (moderate/low clock speed) process. Where as the 7nm parts are rumored to be built on a 7nm high power (high clock speed) process.

Sorry I am not citing any sources, its just rumors at this point that I've read over the last few months from many different sources.
 
Yuka said:
https://www.amd.com/en/events/e3

It's starting now 😛

EDIT:
Tom's coverage: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-next-horizon-7nm-ryzen-3000-navi,39620.html
Anand's coverage: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14527/the-amd-next-horizon-gaming-keynote-live-blog

Cheers!
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Yeah if true I can no longer see anyone recommending Intel for any reason even if they are 5% ahead in single threaded performance its not enough to matter when you lose so much more in multithreaded performance and i would like to leave this here as well

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97sDKvMHd8c&t=0s


I5 sure isn't aging as well as the 1600
 
remixislandmusic said:
Amd didnt unveil any new cpus. Showed the 3600x beats the 9600k. New 12 core is good for streaming.
I was rather disappointed.
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I mean, I laughed out loud when they showed the ~50FPS vs 1.6FPS streaming comparison. That was pure genius evil XD!

Anyway, on the GPU side, I'm a bit disappointed. I would love to know why the "mainstream" stuff is so damn expensive... Do we blame GDDR6?

Cheers!
 
Yuka said:
I mean, I laughed out loud when they showed the ~50FPS vs 1.6FPS streaming comparison. That was pure genius evil XD!

Anyway, on the GPU side, I'm a bit disappointed. I would love to know why the "mainstream" stuff is so damn expensive... Do we blame GDDR6?

Cheers!
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It doesnt seem to be just hbm thats overpriced anymore.
Slightly better than rtx performance wise, but lacking rtx capability and not priced much lower.

That 9900k vs ryzen comparison in streaming was good.

3600x seems to slightly beat the 9600k. That impressed me the most, but then i realised the 3600x and 9600k are both around $250.
 
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