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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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>> > But when one says "think of a predator", the first
>> > thing to pop into people's head is generally NOT a filter
>> > feeder.
> Lions,
>> > tigers, and bears, oh my!
>>
>> "The first thing to pop into people's head" is not what defines a
>> word, dumbass. Otherwise, no one other than you in this forum
>> could be defined
> as
>> a dumbass, for example.
>
> Did I say it defines the word?

You implied it. Or else, why make the statment, "The first thing
to ope into people's head..." if not?

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Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
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>>What do you think a person, or a bear, or a cat, or a deer, that
>>waits by or in a river for the salmon to cruise by is doing?
>
> Being unsportsmanlike, apparently. Although in the case of the
> deer, I'd imagine he was just drinking. Was that a deliberate
> inclusion?
>

What? You never heard of the famous predatory deer of Upper New
York? They come right up to you and steal all your berries. So, when
walking in the woods of Upper New York, stay berry free.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> There's an awful lot of misconception taking place. I am playing
> devil's advocate, here. I know bears are predators and cows are
> not, I'm simply using examples to point out flaws in the
> definitions being used.
>

Seems like a dodge here. "Oh, no, I've just painted myself into
a corner, again, better come up with a way to make it seem like I did
this on purpose."

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"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:RuudnV4U-rkZ1djfRVn-rw@comcast.com:
>
> > There's an awful lot of misconception taking place. I am playing
> > devil's advocate, here. I know bears are predators and cows are
> > not, I'm simply using examples to point out flaws in the
> > definitions being used.
> >
>
> Seems like a dodge here. "Oh, no, I've just painted myself into
> a corner, again, better come up with a way to make it seem like I did
> this on purpose."

I've said multiple times in this thread what my intention was, so your
evaluation is a bit off.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Well, even the largest modern gliders are able to take off under their
> own power(condors, vultures, albatross, eg).

Hey dumbass, they are not gliding birds. They are soaring birds. Gliding
and soaring are not the same. It seems there is a basic misunderstanding of
terms on this newsgroup. All flying birds (except hummingbirds) glide to
one extent or the other to conserve energy. Soaring means using thermal air
currents to stay airborne. Albatrosses soar but in a different manner. I
learn something new everyday. If I had to define the physics of dragon
flight, I would use the seabird model.

More: http://www.paulnoll.com/Oregon/Birds/Avian-flight.html

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Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
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> . All birds can and do use thermals to stay aloft to reduce the effort
> they put into it...

Wrong.

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> I agree with you, I'm playing a stupid little game, and I look like an
> idiot, because
you are a complete idiot.

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"John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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> You do know that different kinds of bears eat different amounts of meat?
> Polar Bears for example eat nothing but.

In Jeff Goslin's world, this proves that Polar Bears are not really bears.

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"John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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> So when walking through the words have you ever yelled "RUN!! ITS A
> COW!!!"
>
> John

Yes, when the cow was a Bull.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> With predatory birds, they don't wait for prey to come into range,
> they take the fight to the prey, which is one of the key components,
> as far as I am concerned, when it comes to true predators.

Are you a city boy? Have you never seen a hawk sit on a telephone pole in
wait for a small animal to come into range? That is their preferred MO
when hunting highway right of ways. I know. I have watched them do it.
Goslin, you truly are an idiot. You should stop. It isn't to late to get a
different ISP, a new message ID, a different nym and start contributing to
this group as a different, intelligent poster. No one would ever have to
know it was you. It is what I would do if I were you anyway.

-phy

 

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> How did I know that was coming? 😉
>
> I'm just noting that if it's TOO easy to kill your prey, odds are good
> they'll evolve a defense against it, or die out, right? There's an
> equilibrium that gets reached, and the equation tends to work out in
> such a way that the more difficult your prey is to kill, the better it
> is (nutritionally) for you to eat. If it weren't nutritionally good
> enough to eat, you wouldn't waste your time chasing it(if it were hard
> to catch), and if it was REALLY good for you, but easy to catch, the
> predators would survive like fatcats until they killed all the prey,
> right? Nature has a way of working out like that.
>

OH, I get it now! YOu are trolling us! That is the only possible
explanation because no one could possibly be as stupid as you are coming
across as being. I gotta hand it to you, you hooked us good. You are just
trolling us right?

-phy

 

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:34:30 GMT, Matt Frisch
<matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> carved upon a tablet of ether:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:24:06 +1200, Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
> scribed into the ether:
>
> >On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:29:44 -0500, "Jeff Goslin"
> ><autockr@comcast.net> carved upon a tablet of ether:
> >
> >> Yes, I've watched cats hunt, the stalking bit is generally moving into
> >> position to wait briefly for their prey to be-bop by. It *IS* active
> >> predation, because while they may get cautious and still at the very end,
> >> they still put themselves in position to make that pounce.
> >
> >What do you think a person, or a bear, or a cat, or a deer, that waits
> >by or in a river for the salmon to cruise by is doing?
>
> Being unsportsmanlike, apparently. Although in the case of the deer, I'd
> imagine he was just drinking. Was that a deliberate inclusion?

Sort of. They've been known to eat fish they come across.


> They use their teeth, too...nasty buggers, zebras.

The stallions have those 2" long canines. Unpleasant. Apparently the
occasional male horse has them, too. They're usually knocked out,
though - something about them messing up other horses too much.

> Most predators leave them alone, actually.

Most predators leave dangerous animals alone, and prey on the younger,
smaller, or otherwise weaker specimens. The exception in Africa are
the crocs, as you noted, and batchelor lions who sometimes decide to
see how tough they really are by hunting cape buffalo bulls.


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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mYGdnSGexJoaydjfRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> > "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> >> So what is it that polar bears take that's 10 times their size?
> >
> > Whales.
>
> This ought to be good. Provide proof that polar bears take on whales for
> food.

http://www.geocities.com/mikepolarbear/eat.html
For your reading pleasure.

Whales ten times their size, no less. Note that scavenging whale
> carcasses, which they *do* eat, does not count. Or, you could take the
easy
> route and admit you were talking out of your ass.

Well, ten times as big and "every time" was a bit of an exaggeration, but
anything capable of killing a whale has got to be a pretty powerful
predator, so there is that.

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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > they would just eat it right there. They are the top of the food chain,
> > and
> > they know it.
>
> No, they really aren't. Your ignorance continues to astound, Simba.

Lions have no natural predators, making them at least tied for top of the
food chain, and it's arguable that there is no creature in their ecosystem
that can pose a significant ongoing threat to them in any way(humans aside,
and the only humans that present a REAL threat to them are the ones with big
guns). Human hunters aside, they have little to worry about, with respect
to other animals.

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"phy" <phy00x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:A-OdnZpd6r4H2tjfRVn-1Q@comcast.com:
>
> > How did I know that was coming? 😉
> >
> > I'm just noting that if it's TOO easy to kill your prey, odds are good
> > they'll evolve a defense against it, or die out, right? There's an
> > equilibrium that gets reached, and the equation tends to work out in
> > such a way that the more difficult your prey is to kill, the better it
> > is (nutritionally) for you to eat. If it weren't nutritionally good
> > enough to eat, you wouldn't waste your time chasing it(if it were hard
> > to catch), and if it was REALLY good for you, but easy to catch, the
> > predators would survive like fatcats until they killed all the prey,
> > right? Nature has a way of working out like that.
> >
>
> OH, I get it now! YOu are trolling us! That is the only possible
> explanation because no one could possibly be as stupid as you are coming
> across as being. I gotta hand it to you, you hooked us good. You are just
> trolling us right?

Uh, no, evolution tends to work in much the manner described above. It's
pretty cool like that.

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In article <Xns96257563D2DA3phy00xyahoocom@69.28.186.121>,
phy <phy00x@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in news:Ur-dnUrCVc25xt7fRVn-
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>> I agree with you, I'm playing a stupid little game, and I look like an
>> idiot, because
>you are a complete idiot.

Are you saying he has reached perfection in this regard?
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In article <Xns96256CDD7495mastercougarhotmailc@207.35.177.135>,
Marc L. <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote:
>dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca (David Alex Lamb) wrote in news:d22cgk$rrf$1
>@knot.queensu.ca:
>
>> How about plains Indians running buffalo off a cliff?
> Using tools, called spears.

Always? Are you sure? ISTR two other methods (a) grassfires -- which I admit
has to be considered a tool and (b) scaring them with horses and other noise.
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In article <J-idnffWgakSJNjfRVn-1A@comcast.com>,
Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns96256D487D9DFmastercougarhotmailc@207.35.177.135...
>> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in news:mYGdnSGexJoaydjfRVn-
>> hg@comcast.com:
>>
>> >> So what is it that polar bears take that's 10 times their size?
>> >
>> > Whales.
>> >
>>
>> Cite, proof?
>
>Beluga whales.
>Ok, not ten times the size, but still, it's pretty damn big. 😉
>
>http://www.polarbearsalive.org/faq.php

I am forced to retract my comment about Inuit laughing.
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"David Alex Lamb" <dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <J-idnffWgakSJNjfRVn-1A@comcast.com>,
> Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
> >"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:Xns96256D487D9DFmastercougarhotmailc@207.35.177.135...
> >> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in news:mYGdnSGexJoaydjfRVn-
> >> hg@comcast.com:
> >>
> >> >> So what is it that polar bears take that's 10 times their size?
> >> >
> >> > Whales.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Cite, proof?
> >
> >Beluga whales.
> >Ok, not ten times the size, but still, it's pretty damn big. 😉
> >
> >http://www.polarbearsalive.org/faq.php
>
> I am forced to retract my comment about Inuit laughing.

I can easily see how a conclusion like yours could be arrived at, mainly
because *I* didn't believe it either. No way a polar bear can kill a
freakin WHALE, right? RIGHT??? Well, not so right, as it turns
out(surprised me as much as I'm sure it does you).

According to Animal Planet(IIRC), I believe the bear strikes at the blowhole
with a VERY hard paw swipe when it comes up to breathe, and then drags it
(!!!) out of the air hole while it's stunned, and feeds on it, presumably
while it's still alive, since how does one put a strangulation/asphyxiation
hold on a whale, or simply kill it with a single bite?

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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Beluga whales.
> > Ok, not ten times the size,
>
> In fact, it is barely twice the size.

Humans are "the top of the food chain" overall, agreed? I'd like to meet
the guy that can efficiently and regularly kill something over twice the
size of a normal human male with nothing but the weapons he is born with.
You're placing a value judgement on it, like I have done to distinguish
"real predators" from insect nabbers.

And in fact, male to male of each species, the ratio is over 3 to 1(1000
pounds for polar bears, 3300 pounds for beluga whales, males of each
species).

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Well, ten times as big and "every time" was a bit of an exaggeration,

If by "a bit of an exaggeration" you actually mean "unbelievable made up
bullshit," I agree.

> but anything capable of killing a whale has got to be a pretty powerful
> predator,

This is not Moby Dick we are talking about; belugas are only about twice the
weight of polar bears.

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How charged with punishment the scroll,
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> "phy" <phy00x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns962580C36B021phy00xyahoocom@69.28.186.121...
>> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:A-OdnZpd6r4H2tjfRVn-1Q@comcast.com:
>>
>> > How did I know that was coming? 😉
>> >
>> > I'm just noting that if it's TOO easy to kill your prey, odds are good
>> > they'll evolve a defense against it, or die out, right? There's an
>> > equilibrium that gets reached, and the equation tends to work out in
>> > such a way that the more difficult your prey is to kill, the better it
>> > is (nutritionally) for you to eat. If it weren't nutritionally good
>> > enough to eat, you wouldn't waste your time chasing it(if it were hard
>> > to catch), and if it was REALLY good for you, but easy to catch, the
>> > predators would survive like fatcats until they killed all the prey,
>> > right? Nature has a way of working out like that.
>> >
>>
>> OH, I get it now! YOu are trolling us! That is the only possible
>> explanation because no one could possibly be as stupid as you are coming
>> across as being. I gotta hand it to you, you hooked us good. You are just
>> trolling us right?
>
> Uh, no, evolution tends to work in much the manner described above. It's
> pretty cool like that.

Take his word for it.

<chortle>

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How charged with punishment the scroll,
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I try to use definitions that as many standard people won't have a problem
> with as possible. That many people are arguing is simply an indication
> that
> folks around here like to argue about definitions, that's all.

No, it is an indication that you are incompetent at your attempts to use
your made-up definitions, Humpty.

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How charged with punishment the scroll,
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Cite, proof?
>
> Beluga whales.
> Ok, not ten times the size, but still, it's pretty damn big. 😉

Not compared to the polar bear, you moronic jackass.
You can literally get *nothing* correct.
It's amazing.

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John Phillips wrote:
>> Yes, Earth and Bizzaro Jeff world.

Malachias Invictus wrote:
> Do the Humpty Hump.

Hey, don't make fun of a good song. Call it the "Humpty Dump."
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