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"Ophidian" <oNpEhMiOdian23@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Symbol wrote:
> > "Dan" <Boone@Daniel.com> wrote in message
> > news:7lk1411t2sks2mm1oml0c3dgv75rvkq4vt@4ax.com...
> >
> >>Hell, in Marco Polo's time, the route to China met with men with faces
> >>in their chest and no heads, or their feet facing backwards. They had
> >>equally recognizable real-life sources, and were equally full of b.s.
> >>
> >>Give drunken sailors and ignorant peasants a little artistic license.
> >
> > You still get that through to the 19th century concerning far flung
and
> > exotic places.
>
> Even today in not so far flung places.
> Most modern examples have been around in folklorte for a while but
> they still get "spotted". One actually proved real! Although not
> as fierce or deadly as legend had it.
>
> Among the modern suspects:
> The great cats of England.
> Lake monsters (Nessie, et al.).
> Giant squid.
> Chupacabra.
> Sasquatch.
> And many more.

Well yeah but thats no really the same as thinking that a particular area
of the world contains many weird and wonderful creatures. Point taken
though.
 
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:42:42 -0500, Ophidian <oNpEhMiOdian23@cox.net>
scribed into the ether:

>Matt Frisch wrote:
>
>>
>>>Only inasmuch as they all can get off the ground. Beyond that point, there
>>>are gliders/soaring birds, and there are those that flap their wings
>>>constantly.
>>
>> The only bird that flaps its wings *constantly* are hummingbirds (and maybe
>> not even them).
>
>Yeah, they do tend to stop when perched, but rarely perch.

Well, that was a given...I meant during flight.

>> All birds glide. Some are better at it than others.
>
>That's why I find Terry's use of the word gliders somewhat unclear.

You mean Jeff's?

>What's yours?
>I wouldn't use it for anything capable of generating its own lift.

Exactly.
 
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On 23 Mar 2005 16:46:02 GMT, Rexx Magnus <trashcan@uk2.net> carved
upon a tablet of ether:

> Chemical fires were the example given in the programme - bombardier
> beetles fire our a chemical mix that apparently gets up to 200 degrees
> (I'm sure they meant in farenheit rather than C)

I'd not be too certain of that - they use a hydrogen peroxide +
catalyst reaction to generate steam, which they use to blast the whole
brew out at whatever's annoyed them. That means temperatures of more
than 100C or 212F.


--
Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
 
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In article <911441163ecsed3m6del73dh0p3hk8o31g@4ax.com>,
Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>Rexx Magnus <trashcan@uk2.net> wrote:
>> Chemical fires were the example given in the programme - bombardier
>> beetles fire our a chemical mix that apparently gets up to 200 degrees
>> (I'm sure they meant in farenheit rather than C)
>
>I'd not be too certain of that - they use a hydrogen peroxide +
>catalyst reaction to generate steam, which they use to blast the whole
>brew out at whatever's annoyed them. That means temperatures of more
>than 100C or 212F.

Even after the effects of adiabatic expansion? Butane stoves use
that to keep the pipes cool... it's likely the beetles use that to
keep from dying.

Donald
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>> You are just making your self look stupid.
>
> Intentionally, I'm trying to show the absurdity of playing the definition
> game when it's not warranted.

No, you are playing the Humpty Dumpty game, and looking like a complete
idiot.

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
 
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"John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> >If you want to dispute that certain birds are
> > considered predatory and others are generally not, despite the fact that
> > many birds do actually prey on insects and such, I guess we'll just have
> to
> > stay here in the land where "predator" means any organism that survives
by
> > preying on other organisms.
>
> Creatures that eat insects are not predators?
> What about spiders?

"Significant relative size"
COWS that eat insects are not predators. INSECTS that eat insects ARE
predators(and arachnids that eat insects are predators, too, since we're in
the land of anal-retentive specificity, I suppose I have to make sure that I
don't call a spider an insect, huh?)

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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In article <ASs0e.445691$w62.243745@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John Phillips <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>"Jeff Goslin" wrote
>> "Matt Frisch" wrote
>> > And the numerous bodies of giant squid that have washed up on shore over
>> > the years.
>> >
>> > Nobody has seen a *live* one, but there is absolutely no question that
>> they
>> > exist.
>>
>> Actually, they are most likely the result of mutation from Bikini Atoll
>> nuclear blasts. They don't exist in the natural order, only as mutations
>of
>> existing creatures. The evidence of such is clear.
>
>The only thing that's clear is that you are batting 1000 in not knowing what
>you are talking about.

You missed the invisible smiley.
--
"Yo' ideas need to be thinked befo' they are say'd" - Ian Lamb, age 3.5
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~dalamb/ qucis->cs to reply (it's a long story...)
 
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"Jeff Goslin" wrote
> "John Phillips" wrote
>
> > > Actually, they are most likely the result of mutation from Bikini
Atoll
> > > nuclear blasts. They don't exist in the natural order, only as
> mutations
> > of
> > > existing creatures. The evidence of such is clear.
> >
> > The only thing that's clear is that you are batting 1000 in not knowing
> what
> > you are talking about.
>
> No, it's proven scientific fact. Didn't you see Godzilla, the remake?
> PROVEN! I tell ya. Something like that, anyways.
>
> Do you honestly think I believe that giant squids are the result of
mutation
> from nuclear blasts? What are we, in a bad sci-fi movie??

The problem here is that its imposable to tell when Jeff is trying to make a
joke or actually believes what ever inane facts he spits out.



John
 
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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Hrm. An animal hunted or *CAUGHT* for food. I'm sorry, I'm sure you
> > didn't
> > mean to prove my point.
>
> I didn't, moron. A cow is not catching insects for food. Your impotent

Well, it catches them, and it eats them, what else are they but prey that is
to be considered food? That it doesn't MEAN to catch and eat them is beside
the point. 😉

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:O72dnUUT_Yf8jt7fRVn-1A@comcast.com...
> > "John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> You are just making your self look stupid.
> >
> > Intentionally, I'm trying to show the absurdity of playing the
definition
> > game when it's not warranted.
>
> No, you are playing the Humpty Dumpty game, and looking like a complete
> idiot.

I agree with you, I'm playing a stupid little game, and I look like an
idiot, because what I'm saying is totally useless and pointless. I don't
want to do that, but I was forced into this position, so I have little
choice. Honestly, I want to have a normal conversation, where adults can
discuss things like adults, unfortunately, that hasn't happened here in a
while.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:KuGdnQMggbp0uN7fRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:O72dnUUT_Yf8jt7fRVn-1A@comcast.com...
>> > "John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> You are just making your self look stupid.
>> >
>> > Intentionally, I'm trying to show the absurdity of playing the
> definition
>> > game when it's not warranted.
>>
>> No, you are playing the Humpty Dumpty game, and looking like a complete
>> idiot.
>
> I agree with you, I'm playing a stupid little game, and I look like an
> idiot, because what I'm saying is totally useless and pointless.

<nods>

> I don't want to do that,

Yes you do.

> but I was forced into this position,

No you weren't.

> so I have little choice.

Discuss this with your therapist.

> Honestly, I want to have a normal conversation,

No you don't.

> where adults can discuss things like adults, unfortunately, that
> hasn't happened here in a while.

Hint: it happens here *all the time*, just not when you were involved.

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
 
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:23:07 +0000 (UTC), tsang@soda.csua.berkeley.edu
(Donald Tsang) carved upon a tablet of ether:

> Even after the effects of adiabatic expansion? Butane stoves use
> that to keep the pipes cool... it's likely the beetles use that to
> keep from dying.

But it had to get that hot in the reaction chamber to drive the blast.
Besides, steam is greater than 100C in normal atmospheric conditions.
I assume they have think chiton lining the chamber, and allow time for
cooling between 'shots'.


--
Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz>
"Just because the truth will set you free doesn't mean the truth itself
should be free."
 
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"Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> You can hardly blame Matt for that; Goslin says equivalently
> stupid things in all seriousness on a fairly regular basis.
>

This one seemed too obvious though.

--
Marc
 
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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
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>>> We were not around, and there is quite afew thigns that "fly"
>>> that shouldn't - like the bumblebee for example..
>>
>> Up until recently, we did not understand how it happened, it's
>> true.
>
> Actually, we've understood it for quit a while. It just wasn't the
> same as an airfoil on an airplane.
>

Er, no, until maybe ten years ago, we did not know how
bumblebees flew. That, however, says more about the limits of
scientific knowledge than anything else.

--
Marc
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Well, that's the only class of predatory flight birds that I am
> aware of. Is there another class of predatory flight capable birds
> that I should be aware of? I am, of course, only counting true
> predators as ones that can kill larger animals, not like worms n
> stuff.
>
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

--
Marc
 
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"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:74OdndT4FZSZfNzfRVn-tA@comcast.com:
>
> > Well, that's the only class of predatory flight birds that I am
> > aware of. Is there another class of predatory flight capable birds
> > that I should be aware of? I am, of course, only counting true
> > predators as ones that can kill larger animals, not like worms n
> > stuff.
> >
> >
>
> And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

What's another class of flighted predatory birds? Not that you mentioned it
or anything.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Well, defining Predator as anything that kills other creatures to
> eat, almost every creature on the planet is a predator of some
> sort. Even cows eat a few insects in their grass, after all.
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

--
Marc
 
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"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:esadnXf1HtVub9zfRVn-rw@comcast.com:
>
> > Well, defining Predator as anything that kills other creatures to
> > eat, almost every creature on the planet is a predator of some
> > sort. Even cows eat a few insects in their grass, after all.
> >
>
> And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

NOT MY DEFINITION, CHIEF, read the thread.

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9623AD0E13F2Fmastercougarhotmailc@207.35.177.134...
>> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:esadnXf1HtVub9zfRVn-rw@comcast.com:
>>
>> > Well, defining Predator as anything that kills other creatures to
>> > eat, almost every creature on the planet is a predator of some
>> > sort. Even cows eat a few insects in their grass, after all.
>> >
>>
>> And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.
>
> NOT MY DEFINITION, CHIEF,

No, it is your stupid Humpty Dumpty interpretation of a perfectly good
definition.

> read the thread.

Obviously, he has.

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in news:w6ydnY23NKjpDt_fRVn-
uA@comcast.com:

> But technically, any animal that gets
> any sustenance from animals it happens to ingest is a predator.

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.


--
Marc
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> So, you're saying that a cow that eats tons of grass and happens
> to ingest (more than) a few insects along the way ISN'T sustaining
> their life to some degree or another, by the ingesting of those
> insects? They get some nutrition from them! Those freaky
> predatory cows!
>
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

--
Marc
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Exactly. We both agree that cows are not predators, yet by the
> dictionary definition, cows can be defined as predators,
> regardless of the fact that
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

--
Marc
 
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"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:O72dnUUT_Yf8jt7fRVn-1A@comcast.com:
>
> > Exactly. We both agree that cows are not predators, yet by the
> > dictionary definition, cows can be defined as predators,
> > regardless of the fact that
> >
>
> And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

Are you the latest one trick pony?

--
Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info
It's not a god complex when you're always right
 
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dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca (David Alex Lamb) wrote in
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> Preying in the food sense seems to require hunting or catching. I
> admit "eating as prey" takes a bit of thought, but I still don't
> think it extends to anything that is accidentally eaten by a cow.
>
>

See, you just pointed out why Jeff won't get it. "takes a bit of
thought."

--
Marc
 
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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> I don't much care, honestly. I know what I consider a predator,
> and that
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

--
Marc
 
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