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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> If they EAT them, some of their sustenance is obtained from eating
> them, hence, they live by eating them.
> Bitch.
>
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=prey
>
> Hrm. An animal hunted or *CAUGHT* for food. I'm sorry, I'm sure
> you didn't mean to prove my point.
>

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> By the definition of prey, these insects are caught by the
> herbivores. That they don't INTEND to catch them is COMPLETELY
> beside the point.
>
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing. The
Intent, little child, IS the point.

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> Well, actually, I'm rather enjoying the definition game, now that
> we're playing it.
>
>

And then you wonder why people think you know nothing. I guess
you also like losing, because you seem to excel at it.

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> Similar to a WKRP episode where they gave away free turkeys
> for Thanksgiving. Of course they were live. And of course they
> dropped them from a helicopter.
>
> Les's commentary: "The horror, The horror!"
>

"As god is my witness, I thought Turkeys could fly."

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> Giant? No. Not even remotely possible. Consider the energy it
> takes to put something that weighs several tons in to the air.
> Consider that this energy must come from the creature. Now
> consider how much they'd have to eat to have that much energy
> stored in their tissue.
>
>

Agreed, but what about a floater? Something like a living blimp.

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> I believe both those conditions would increase the maximum size of
> a flyer, yes.
>
>

Hmmm, a water dragon. Yes, it flies through water, much like a
penguin does, but cannot float. Hmmm....

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Werebat <ranpoirier@cox.net> wrote in
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> Of course with a dense enough atmosphere, the dragon is more
> "swimming" than "flying"! :^)
>
>

No, not really. I think the method of movement through the
medium determines flying versus swiming. For example, dirigibles
don't fly, they float, or swim. While penguins can be seen to fly
through the water.

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> No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
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>>>> We were not around, and there is quite afew thigns that "fly"
>>>> that shouldn't - like the bumblebee for example..
>>>
>>> Up until recently, we did not understand how it happened, it's
>>> true.
>>
>> Actually, we've understood it for quit a while. It just wasn't the
>> same as an airfoil on an airplane.
>>
>
> Er, no, until maybe ten years ago, we did not know how
> bumblebees flew.

If you say so. We've had a pretty good idea for a lot long than that, last
I heard.

>That, however, says more about the limits of
> scientific knowledge than anything else.
>
Which was the entire point of the statement that this is all based on.

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"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in
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> No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
> news:Xns962188F306F26taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50:
>
>> Giant? No. Not even remotely possible. Consider the energy it
>> takes to put something that weighs several tons in to the air.
>> Consider that this energy must come from the creature. Now
>> consider how much they'd have to eat to have that much energy
>> stored in their tissue.
>>
>>
>
> Agreed, but what about a floater? Something like a living
> blimp.

I'm skeptical on a practical level, because hydrogen and helium leak
through pretty much anything used to contain them. Anybody know of any real
life examples?

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"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Terry Austin <taustin@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9621C587F291Ataustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50:
>
>> I believe both those conditions would increase the maximum size of
>> a flyer, yes.
>>
>>
>
> Hmmm, a water dragon. Yes, it flies through water, much like a
> penguin does, but cannot float. Hmmm....
>
That's make fire brathing a little less practical, though.

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:27:20 -0500, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net>
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>"John Phillips" <jsphillips1@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>> >If you want to dispute that certain birds are
>> > considered predatory and others are generally not, despite the fact that
>> > many birds do actually prey on insects and such, I guess we'll just have
>> to
>> > stay here in the land where "predator" means any organism that survives
>by
>> > preying on other organisms.
>>
>> Creatures that eat insects are not predators?
>> What about spiders?
>
>"Significant relative size"
>COWS that eat insects are not predators. INSECTS that eat insects ARE
>predators(and arachnids that eat insects are predators, too, since we're in
>the land of anal-retentive specificity, I suppose I have to make sure that I
>don't call a spider an insect, huh?)

So whale sharks (to say nothing of actual whales) are not predators then?
The stupidity just keeps on coming.

 

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> So whale sharks (to say nothing of actual whales) are not predators then?

But of *COURSE* they are predators. They hunt the ever elusive krill, known
for it's crafty method of last second dodging and gouging the eyes of their
attackers with sharp annentae or something, using a method as devious as
opening their mouths, it's frankly amazing that they eat at all, hunting
such a sharp witted opponent like krill, who are ever so deftly moved into
attack position by the action of widening one's jaw.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
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>> So whale sharks (to say nothing of actual whales) are not predators then?
>
> But of *COURSE* they are predators. They hunt the ever elusive krill,

Yes, dumbass, filter feeders *are* considered predators.

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> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >> So whale sharks (to say nothing of actual whales) are not predators
then?
> >
> > But of *COURSE* they are predators. They hunt the ever elusive krill,
>
> Yes, dumbass, filter feeders *are* considered predators.

In the same way that COWS are predators. NEXT!!!

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Malachias Invictus" <capt_malachias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> > "Matt Frisch" <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in message
>> > news😱7m641hvl5jcajnueiih87jb3s38uoubei@4ax.com...
>> >> So whale sharks (to say nothing of actual whales) are not predators
> then?
>> >
>> > But of *COURSE* they are predators. They hunt the ever elusive krill,
>>
>> Yes, dumbass, filter feeders *are* considered predators.
>
> In the same way that COWS are predators.

No, not even remotely. Filter feeders capture and consume other organisms
to sustain life (which is a more accurate definition of predation). Cows
sometimes accidentally eat bugs with their food.

> NEXT!!!

Next, Goslin does the impossible: he futher impugns his intelligence!

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:41:21 -0000, No 33 Secretary
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>"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in
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>> No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns962188F306F26taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50:
>>
>>> Giant? No. Not even remotely possible. Consider the energy it
>>> takes to put something that weighs several tons in to the air.
>>> Consider that this energy must come from the creature. Now
>>> consider how much they'd have to eat to have that much energy
>>> stored in their tissue.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Agreed, but what about a floater? Something like a living
>> blimp.
>
>I'm skeptical on a practical level, because hydrogen and helium leak
>through pretty much anything used to contain them. Anybody know of any real
>life examples?

Numerous water examples, but nothing that goes through the air...for pure
floating.

Hydrogen might be possible for some organism to figure out, but helium
would be unlikely. Most chemicals that life makes use of are broken down
from something else...while something that uses electrolysis to break down
hydrogen from water is unlikely, it isn't out of the question. Helium being
chemically inert would be a significant problem though.

For real animals that retain hydrogen and helium...nah. Neither of those
gasses are held in by earth's gravity, so there wouldn't be the chance for
something to evolve a mechanism to retain them.

 

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Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:41:21 -0000, No 33 Secretary
> <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> scribed into the ether:
>
>>"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>> No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in
>>> news:Xns962188F306F26taustinhyperbookscom@216.168.3.50:
>>>
>>>> Giant? No. Not even remotely possible. Consider the energy it
>>>> takes to put something that weighs several tons in to the air.
>>>> Consider that this energy must come from the creature. Now
>>>> consider how much they'd have to eat to have that much energy
>>>> stored in their tissue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed, but what about a floater? Something like a living
>>> blimp.
>>
>>I'm skeptical on a practical level, because hydrogen and helium leak
>>through pretty much anything used to contain them. Anybody know of any
>>real life examples?
>
> Numerous water examples, but nothing that goes through the air...for
> pure floating.

You don't need hydrogen or helium to float in water.
>
> Hydrogen might be possible for some organism to figure out, but helium
> would be unlikely. Most chemicals that life makes use of are broken
> down from something else...while something that uses electrolysis to
> break down hydrogen from water is unlikely, it isn't out of the
> question. Helium being chemically inert would be a significant problem
> though.

Helium is also very rare, while hydrogen is a major component of water, and
*all* life needs to be near water. Rather than electrolysis, however, I'd
expect some sort of chemical process.
>
> For real animals that retain hydrogen and helium...nah. Neither of
> those gasses are held in by earth's gravity, so there wouldn't be the
> chance for something to evolve a mechanism to retain them.
>
Well, there it is, then.

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"No 33 Secretary" <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote in message
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> Helium is also very rare, while hydrogen is a major component of water,
and
> *all* life needs to be near water. Rather than electrolysis, however, I'd
> expect some sort of chemical process.

Not so much, actually, water is not a necessary component for even
terrestrial life any longer. They've found life thriving in environments
where oxygen and water are not present.

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Marc L. <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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>> Well, actually, I'm rather enjoying the definition game, now that
>> we're playing it.
>
> And then you wonder why people think you know nothing. I guess
>you also like losing, because you seem to excel at it.

I've lost count. How many times did you post the same comment?
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Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in
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>> > Well, that's the only class of predatory flight birds that I am
>> > aware of. Is there another class of predatory flight capable birds
>> > that I should be aware of? I am, of course, only counting true
>> > predators as ones that can kill larger animals, not like worms n
>> > stuff.
>>
>> And then you wonder why people think you know nothing.
>
>What's another class of flighted predatory birds? Not that you mentioned it
>or anything.

Fish-eating birds like herons aren't generally considered raptors. I don't
know the name of the class they're part of. This example occurred earlier in
the thread; did you miss it?
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"David Alex Lamb" <dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca> wrote in message
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> Fish-eating birds like herons aren't generally considered raptors. I
don't
> know the name of the class they're part of. This example occurred earlier
in
> the thread; did you miss it?

Nope, but it's not terribly "predatory" to snag a fish who isn't even aware
of your prescence. I've never considered them to be true predators, per se,
despite the fact that they do "hunt". I wonld consider them predators in
the same way I consider "fisherman" to be predatory, which is basically what
herons do.

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"Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "David Alex Lamb" <dalamb@qucis.queensu.ca> wrote in message
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>> Fish-eating birds like herons aren't generally considered raptors. I
> don't
>> know the name of the class they're part of. This example occurred
>> earlier
> in
>> the thread; did you miss it?
>
> Nope, but it's not terribly "predatory" to snag a fish who isn't even
> aware
> of your prescence.

No, you must announce your intentions and give them a 10-second head start
in order to be a Goslin Predator.

> I've never considered them to be true predators, per se,

That is because you are a moron. Words mean things, dumbass.

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No 33 Secretary <taustin+usenet@hyperbooks.com> wrote:
>"Marc L." <master.cougar@gmail.com> wrote in
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>> Agreed, but what about a floater? Something like a living
>> blimp.
>
>I'm skeptical on a practical level, because hydrogen and helium leak
>through pretty much anything used to contain them. Anybody know of any real
>life examples?

Not in real life; just various science fiction stories.
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Matt Frisch <matuse73@yahoo.spam.me.not.com> wrote:
>Hydrogen might be possible for some organism to figure out, but helium
>would be unlikely. Most chemicals that life makes use of are broken down
>from something else...while something that uses electrolysis to break down
>hydrogen from water is unlikely, it isn't out of the question. Helium being
>chemically inert would be a significant problem though.

How about a fusion reaction? All you need is some way to filter
heavy water efficiently, some electrolysis to separate the deuterium
and tritium from the oxygen, and a suitable reaction chamber...
with the right "catalyst", this could be done at much lower temperature
and pressure than the typical H-Bomb or Star (anyone remember Pons
and Fleischmann?)

With the oxygen, one could produce a flame from almost any fuel.

Next time the PCs ask why the dragon is swimming through the ocean
with its mouth open, you can just smile...


>For real animals that retain hydrogen and helium... nah. Neither of those
>gasses are held in by earth's gravity, so there wouldn't be the chance for
>something to evolve a mechanism to retain them.

Um, what?

Donald