Anyone use Acronis Drive Image 7.0?

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FransHals wrote:

> frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals) wrote in message
> news:<9b942ce7.0407091427.51c69b49@posting.google.com>...
>> Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
>> news:<348re01kt8noqrq8ep8m9kgdhkikdafl49@4ax.com>...
>> > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:20:30 GMT, Will Dormann
>> > <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Or just install
>> > >whatever OS you like cleanly and then extract the important files from
>> > >the TrueImage backup file.
>> >
>> > This is the technique I use when I help non-techies upgrade. Back up
>> > the existing system to an image, perform a clean install of the new
>> > OS, and install an extra backup drive, either internal or external.
>> > The image of the old system stays on the backup drive, where they can
>> > mount it and browse stuff they've discovered missing. It works well,
>> > and is easy to walk someone through.
>>
>> For the spare machine should I get a $349 Dell desktop or one of their
>> $399 servers.
>>
>> They will actually come out and copy over 3 gig of selected files for
>> $85 but I have more than that.
>
> I don't see any info about a USB on the server. I assume the desktop
> will have it. The server also does not have an O/S. Can I copy over
> the NT 4.0 SP 6 in my image from he other machine. I guess I could
> plug in the Dell drive in the Old HP Pavilion hough I really don't
> want to take the HP apart.

I presume you're talking about the 400SC (which incidentally starts at
$249US at the moment). Has 6 USB 2.0 ports.

Comparing that with the Dimension 2400, which I presume is the "$349 Dell
desktop", the 400SC holds 4 gig ECC RAM vs 1 gig non-ECC on the Dimension,
the 400SC has Rage XL video vs Intel integrated on the 2400. The 400SC has
2 3.5" internal bays vs 1 on the 2400. The 400SC doesn't include an
OS--the ones available are 2K/2K3 server variants and RedHat Linux, all for
server OS prices.

While you may be able to get your NT4 to run on it, there's no USB support
in NT and you'll be running the chipset on generic drivers.

Personally if I was forced to go with one of those two machines I'd go with
the 400SC, but for me the OS is not an issue at the moment.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

 

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"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<ccqe0o02ui1@news1.newsguy.com>...
> FransHals wrote:
>
> > frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals) wrote in message
> > news:<9b942ce7.0407091427.51c69b49@posting.google.com>...
> >> Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
> >> news:<348re01kt8noqrq8ep8m9kgdhkikdafl49@4ax.com>...
> >> > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 21:20:30 GMT, Will Dormann
> >> > <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >Or just install
> >> > >whatever OS you like cleanly and then extract the important files from
> >> > >the TrueImage backup file.
> >> >
> >> > This is the technique I use when I help non-techies upgrade. Back up
> >> > the existing system to an image, perform a clean install of the new
> >> > OS, and install an extra backup drive, either internal or external.
> >> > The image of the old system stays on the backup drive, where they can
> >> > mount it and browse stuff they've discovered missing. It works well,
> >> > and is easy to walk someone through.
> >>
> >> For the spare machine should I get a $349 Dell desktop or one of their
> >> $399 servers.
> >>
> >> They will actually come out and copy over 3 gig of selected files for
> >> $85 but I have more than that.
> >
> > I don't see any info about a USB on the server. I assume the desktop
> > will have it. The server also does not have an O/S. Can I copy over
> > the NT 4.0 SP 6 in my image from he other machine. I guess I could
> > plug in the Dell drive in the Old HP Pavilion hough I really don't
> > want to take the HP apart.
>
> I presume you're talking about the 400SC (which incidentally starts at
> $249US at the moment). Has 6 USB 2.0 ports.
>
> Comparing that with the Dimension 2400, which I presume is the "$349 Dell
> desktop", the 400SC holds 4 gig ECC RAM vs 1 gig non-ECC on the Dimension,
> the 400SC has Rage XL video vs Intel integrated on the 2400. The 400SC has
> 2 3.5" internal bays vs 1 on the 2400. The 400SC doesn't include an
> OS--the ones available are 2K/2K3 server variants and RedHat Linux, all for
> server OS prices.
>
> While you may be able to get your NT4 to run on it, there's no USB support
> in NT and you'll be running the chipset on generic drivers.
>
> Personally if I was forced to go with one of those two machines I'd go with
> the 400SC, but for me the OS is not an issue at the moment.

Thanks.

 

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adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote"
> TI7 knows how to talk to SATA disks, and controllers. At least mine.

Not mine. It won't write to my SATA 36 GB Raptors.

 

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"JPD" <homebuilt@guitarist.com> wrote in message
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> adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote"
> > TI7 knows how to talk to SATA disks, and controllers. At least mine.
>
> Not mine. It won't write to my SATA 36 GB Raptors.

What controller exactly is the 36GB Raptor attached to? How does it fail,
please?

 

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"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> "JPD" <homebuilt@guitarist.com> kindly responded:
> > adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> > > TI7 knows how to talk to SATA disks, and controllers. At least mine.
> >
> > Not mine. It won't write to my SATA 36 GB Raptors.
>
> What controller exactly is the 36GB Raptor attached to? How does it fail,
> please?

The controller is integrated in ICH5R on the MSI 875P Neo_FISR
motherboard:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=875p_Neo-FISR&class=mb

The error message occurs when I try to restore any image I make with
TI7. I open TI7 in Windows, execute the first several steps in the
restoration procedure, then hit the PROCEED button. Immediately comes
the error message: "Failed to write to the sector 0 of the hard disk
2."

Thank you for responding!

 

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Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message news:<9kood0pgbhjts24e5535p4lidltrebmhff@4ax.com>...
> On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> wrote:
>
> >The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> >really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> >serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
>
> There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
> your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
> this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
> down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
> and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
> but very low risk.


This sounds stupid but do I load Acronis True Image 7.0 on the old
machine or do I just use the True Image boot disk that I made?

Do I "back up" or run the True Image "disk clone" or "create image."

Thanks for your help.


Once I have the Image (backup) on the Western Digital external - I
want to open the Pavilion and put and second drive in and image that.

Finally, I will remove the new Dell machines drive and plug it in to
image.
I will then put it in the Dell and hope it boots. Acronis suggests
going to MSFT and has some suggestions on making it work on different
hardware.

I may also call Dell to see if they will come out to do imaging.

 

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Will Dormann <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:<SGBCc.152632$DG4.152256@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
> FransHals wrote:
> > http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/
> >
> > I need to do an image back up a machine. This looks like a better
> > solution than Ghost. Acronis allows you to do scheduled back ups
> > which is also a plus. Ideally I want to set up the clone machine
> > next to the older machine. Plug them both into the network and have
> > the new machine backing up the old once a week or every day.
>
> TrueImage is a great program.
> Incremental backups, scheduling, Linux filesystem support, and native
> "Network Neighborhood" support are a few of my favorite features.
>
> The only place you might run into a snag is that since the recovery CD
> is Linux-based, you might have trouble if you have some hardware which
> isn't supported by Linux.
>
> I question your "cloning" backup strategy, though. First, cloning is
> intended for use between drives in a single machine. Even if you could
> get some way to clone across machines, the hardware would need to be
> pretty much the same between the machines. And I'm sure you'll
> probably run into licensing/activation issues with XP if that's your OS.
>
> Wouldn't it make more sense to do an "Image" backup. That way you can
> take advantage of the scheduling, incremental, and other features of
> TrueImage. Plus you can keep multiple levels of backups, depending on
> your storage availability and backup needs. Heck, you can even
> dispense with the whole older machine. Save on power costs, if that's
> all that you'd be using it for. Just get an external USB2 or Firewire
> drive. (Or even a spare internal drive)
>
>
> -WD

How do I get it to the new machine? You say dispense with the older
machine. ???

I talked to Dell and they said that cloning from the old HP Pavilion
to the new Dell 400 SC will not work because of the hardware
differences. I am running NT 4.0 SP 6.

Acronis says:

"If the new machine hardware configuration differs from the old one,
than you should use sysprep utility before backup creation.

Please read the following article:
http://www.acronis.com/products/trueimage/faq.html#17"

 

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Learn to read first off.

"Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ae681794.0407231545.6301b84@posting.google.com...
> Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
news:<9kood0pgbhjts24e5535p4lidltrebmhff@4ax.com>...
> > On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> > >really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> > >serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
> >
> > There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
> > your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
> > this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
> > down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
> > and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
> > but very low risk.
>
>
> This sounds stupid but do I load Acronis True Image 7.0 on the old
> machine or do I just use the True Image boot disk that I made?
>
> Do I "back up" or run the True Image "disk clone" or "create image."
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
> Once I have the Image (backup) on the Western Digital external - I
> want to open the Pavilion and put and second drive in and image that.
>
> Finally, I will remove the new Dell machines drive and plug it in to
> image.
> I will then put it in the Dell and hope it boots. Acronis suggests
> going to MSFT and has some suggestions on making it work on different
> hardware.
>
> I may also call Dell to see if they will come out to do imaging.

 

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"doS" <kobo65@hotNOTSOmail.com> wrote in message news:<10g39el4ivuqa3e@corp.supernews.com>...
> Learn to read first off.
>
> "Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:ae681794.0407231545.6301b84@posting.google.com...
> > Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
> news:<9kood0pgbhjts24e5535p4lidltrebmhff@4ax.com>...
> > > On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> > > >really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> > > >serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
> > >
> > > There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
> > > your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
> > > this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
> > > down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
> > > and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
> > > but very low risk.
> >
> >
> > This sounds stupid but do I load Acronis True Image 7.0 on the old
> > machine or do I just use the True Image boot disk that I made?
> >
> > Do I "back up" or run the True Image "disk clone" or "create image."
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> >
> > Once I have the Image (backup) on the Western Digital external - I
> > want to open the Pavilion and put and second drive in and image that.
> >
> > Finally, I will remove the new Dell machines drive and plug it in to
> > image.
> > I will then put it in the Dell and hope it boots. Acronis suggests
> > going to MSFT and has some suggestions on making it work on different
> > hardware.
> >
> > I may also call Dell to see if they will come out to do imaging.

Thanks for the non help. I am lerry about putting True Image 7.0 on
the old machine as I don't want any regsitries changed. I doubt TI
7.0 will do that but if I can use the boot disk it would be better. I
loaded Nero on another machine once and it fouled up the registries.

 

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"Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ae681794.0407241147.2b2b9d4f@posting.google.com...
> "doS" <kobo65@hotNOTSOmail.com> wrote in message
news:<10g39el4ivuqa3e@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Learn to read first off.
> >
> > "Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
> > news:ae681794.0407231545.6301b84@posting.google.com...
> > > Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
> > news:<9kood0pgbhjts24e5535p4lidltrebmhff@4ax.com>...
> > > > On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
> > > > >really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
> > > > >serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
> > > >
> > > > There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
> > > > your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
> > > > this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
> > > > down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
> > > > and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
> > > > but very low risk.
> > >
> > >
> > > This sounds stupid but do I load Acronis True Image 7.0 on the old
> > > machine or do I just use the True Image boot disk that I made?
> > >
> > > Do I "back up" or run the True Image "disk clone" or "create image."
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > >
> > > Once I have the Image (backup) on the Western Digital external - I
> > > want to open the Pavilion and put and second drive in and image that.
> > >
> > > Finally, I will remove the new Dell machines drive and plug it in to
> > > image.
> > > I will then put it in the Dell and hope it boots. Acronis suggests
> > > going to MSFT and has some suggestions on making it work on different
> > > hardware.
> > >
> > > I may also call Dell to see if they will come out to do imaging.
>
> Thanks for the non help. I am lerry about putting True Image 7.0 on
> the old machine as I don't want any regsitries changed.

Anytime you install a program, the registry changes.


I doubt TI
> 7.0 will do that but if I can use the boot disk it would be better.

Ok, but wouldn't you have to install TI on the machine to create the
bootdisk...

I
> loaded Nero on another machine once and it fouled up the registries.

I doubt Nero fouled up anything. Make sure the machine meets the
requirements.

 

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In article <ae681794.0407241147.2b2b9d4f@posting.google.com>,
Bobby Fischler <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>"doS" <kobo65@hotNOTSOmail.com> wrote in message news:<10g39el4ivuqa3e@corp.supernews.com>...
>> Learn to read first off.
>>
>> "Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:ae681794.0407231545.6301b84@posting.google.com...
>> > Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
>> news:<9kood0pgbhjts24e5535p4lidltrebmhff@4ax.com>...
>> > > On 24 Jun 2004 14:10:47 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >The old machine has NT 4.0 SP 6. I would prefer to upgrade but I
>> > > >really don't want to touch the old machine. It has on the front a
>> > > >serial pot and USB 1.1. (which NT does not support).
>> > >
>> > > There's a very good chance the True Image boot disk will recognize
>> > > your USB1.1 port and allow you to make a non-invasive backup from
>> > > this. I've done this several times on systems with old OS's. Power
>> > > down, plug in the external USB drive, boot to the TI cd or floppies,
>> > > and back up directly to the external drive. Slow, compared to USB2,
>> > > but very low risk.
>> >
>> >
>> > This sounds stupid but do I load Acronis True Image 7.0 on the old
>> > machine or do I just use the True Image boot disk that I made?
>> >
>> > Do I "back up" or run the True Image "disk clone" or "create image."
>> >
>> > Thanks for your help.
>> >
>> >
>> > Once I have the Image (backup) on the Western Digital external - I
>> > want to open the Pavilion and put and second drive in and image that.
>> >
>> > Finally, I will remove the new Dell machines drive and plug it in to
>> > image.
>> > I will then put it in the Dell and hope it boots. Acronis suggests
>> > going to MSFT and has some suggestions on making it work on different
>> > hardware.
>> >
>> > I may also call Dell to see if they will come out to do imaging.
>
>Thanks for the non help. I am lerry about putting True Image 7.0 on
>the old machine as I don't want any regsitries changed. I doubt TI
>7.0 will do that but if I can use the boot disk it would be better. I
>loaded Nero on another machine once and it fouled up the registries.


If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
you can image from one to the other.



--
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-----------
adykes at p a n i x . c o m

 

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On 24 Jul 2004 18:49:21 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

>If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
>the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
>will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
>you can image from one to the other.

Yes, if you want to be 100% non-invasive, imaging from the boot disk
will do it. If it won't go across the 'net, a USB external drive
provides the lowest-risk backup.


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Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message news:<kccag0l7cm8o4ivln6oc81u9fobo1q20sh@4ax.com>...
> On 24 Jul 2004 18:49:21 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>
> >If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
> >the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
> >will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
> >you can image from one to the other.
>
> Yes, if you want to be 100% non-invasive, imaging from the boot disk
> will do it. If it won't go across the 'net, a USB external drive
> provides the lowest-risk backup.

Thanks. Sorry if I bothered others.

 

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"Neil Maxwell" <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
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> On 24 Jul 2004 18:49:21 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>
> >If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
> >the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
> >will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
> >you can image from one to the other.
>
> Yes, if you want to be 100% non-invasive, imaging from the boot disk
> will do it. If it won't go across the 'net, a USB external drive
> provides the lowest-risk backup.

OR an SATA drive in a removable tray.

 

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:24:33 GMT, "Ron Reaugh"
<ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>"Neil Maxwell" <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
>news:kccag0l7cm8o4ivln6oc81u9fobo1q20sh@4ax.com...
>> On 24 Jul 2004 18:49:21 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>>
>> >If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
>> >the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
>> >will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
>> >you can image from one to the other.
>>
>> Yes, if you want to be 100% non-invasive, imaging from the boot disk
>> will do it. If it won't go across the 'net, a USB external drive
>> provides the lowest-risk backup.
>
>OR an SATA drive in a removable tray.

They've had some issues with SATA drives, though they're releasing an
updated version that they claim will clear up some of the problems. I
don't run SATA, so I have no first-hand experience, but it's been a
common question on their support board. I believe the odds of success
are better with USB or FW.


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In article <t82dg0t9udggqc8130901rn4clc4nu8jo0@4ax.com>,
Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:24:33 GMT, "Ron Reaugh"
><ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Neil Maxwell" <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
>>news:kccag0l7cm8o4ivln6oc81u9fobo1q20sh@4ax.com...
>>> On 24 Jul 2004 18:49:21 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>>>
>>> >If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
>>> >the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
>>> >will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
>>> >you can image from one to the other.
>>>
>>> Yes, if you want to be 100% non-invasive, imaging from the boot disk
>>> will do it. If it won't go across the 'net, a USB external drive
>>> provides the lowest-risk backup.
>>
>>OR an SATA drive in a removable tray.
>
>They've had some issues with SATA drives, though they're releasing an
>updated version that they claim will clear up some of the problems. I
>don't run SATA, so I have no first-hand experience, but it's been a
>common question on their support board. I believe the odds of success
>are better with USB or FW.
>
>
>--
>Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer


I've had zero luck so far trying to burn a TI image to a USB-connected
CD from the the boot disk.

I haven't tried from XP but since burning 10 CDs to backup my machine
isn't much fun, and I don't trust CDs, anyway, I set myself up to
backup all my machines to a 160B disk in one desktop. I back the
decktop's C drive to that disk, also. I can keep a couple generations
of 3 machines on this disk. High compression is great.

I've sucessfully restored over ethernet and disk-to-disk
from the TI boot CD.






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On 27 Jul 2004 13:09:26 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

>I've had zero luck so far trying to burn a TI image to a USB-connected
>CD from the the boot disk.

If you want to determine if it's the USB controller or the CD that's
the problem, you could connect a USB HD to the same port and see if it
recognizes it. It's handled all the various USB and FW controllers
I've tried, but I haven't attempted to go direct to CD or DVD. I've
had more luck with Ghost burning direct to CD, but it has enough other
drawbacks that I don't use it.

>I haven't tried from XP but since burning 10 CDs to backup my machine
>isn't much fun, and I don't trust CDs, anyway, I set myself up to
>backup all my machines to a 160B disk in one desktop. I back the
>decktop's C drive to that disk, also. I can keep a couple generations
>of 3 machines on this disk. High compression is great.

DVD burners are getting cheap now, and help that a lot. The long-term
lifetimes of CD and DVD are not reliable, but for multi-generation
short-term backups, the risk is pretty low. Still, using a HD makes
everything much simpler and more transparent.

My preference is to burn backups to another HD, like you do, and limit
them to 4.5G, then copy those to DVD now and again to have an off-disk
backup.

>I've sucessfully restored over ethernet and disk-to-disk
>from the TI boot CD.

Yep, it's pretty durn effective with supported hardware. I'm a
convert.


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On 27 Jul 2004 13:09:26 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:

>I've had zero luck so far trying to burn a TI image to a USB-connected
>CD from the the boot disk.

Hmm... Interestingly, their new updated release is now TI8. Not much
detail on their web about the differences; many of the docs are
search-and-replace TI7 conversions.

It allows exclusion of hibernate and paging files and changing of the
process priority, as well as having better built-in verification.

I'll let the early adopters run it around a bit first.


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Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message news:<dih0e0la8oal13rahrmihs2dr5or4q7s9r@4ax.com>...
> On 25 Jun 2004 15:57:20 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> wrote:
>
> >I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
> >have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
> >$154.
>
> I buy most of my hardware from www.newegg.com these days, but there's
> a lot to be said for a local vendor if there's not a big price
> difference. Returns are much quicker and easier, if necessary.


I able able to use the TI 7.0 boot disk and NT/Acronis see the WD 120
Gig external (E) drive plugged into the 1.1 USB.


1. I select Disk Clone in TI 7.0.
2. TI sees the internal drives on the Old HP and sees the WD External.

3. It says I have some partitions on the WD external - it is brand
new. Says it has to wipe them to proceed. No problem because the ext
drive is empty.

4. I get to the final step. Has the Source and Target selected
correctly. It asks me 3 choices. Wipe the old drive, make some
changes (??) or leave source alone. I obviously want to leave the C
source drive alone but it mentions that by leaving alone I can store
the old drive like put it in a box??? I just want to copy the data
from the C Pavilion drive to the E WD External. I don't want to
disturb the C at all. Comments?

I want an exact clone on the external. Once I have that I will open
the old HP Pavilion and put in a second Internal and back that up too.

Am I doing it right or do I want to "Create an Image."


Also: Western Digital says be extra careful when unplugging the
External from the machine. It says use the XP "Eject Hardware" icon.
NT 4.0 SP 6 does not have such an icon. Do I power down the HP
machine then power down the external drive and then unplug and unplug
the USB?

Anyone know if Acronis will let me pay them $40 a hour or something to
walk me through for 10 minutes?

 

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"Neil Maxwell" <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
news:t82dg0t9udggqc8130901rn4clc4nu8jo0@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:24:33 GMT, "Ron Reaugh"
> <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Neil Maxwell" <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
> >news:kccag0l7cm8o4ivln6oc81u9fobo1q20sh@4ax.com...
> >> On 24 Jul 2004 18:49:21 -0400, adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> >>
> >> >If you boot TI from the CD it's not going to make ANY changes to
> >> >the disk. With luck it will recognize your ethernet card and you
> >> >will be able to image to another machine, or if you have two disks
> >> >you can image from one to the other.
> >>
> >> Yes, if you want to be 100% non-invasive, imaging from the boot disk
> >> will do it. If it won't go across the 'net, a USB external drive
> >> provides the lowest-risk backup.
> >
> >OR an SATA drive in a removable tray.
>
> They've had some issues with SATA drives,

Who says and don't cite that tiny discredited website that has NO
substantiation?

>though they're releasing an
> updated version that they claim will clear up some of the problems.

Nonsense. Who is they?

> I
> don't run SATA, so I have no first-hand experience,

Didn't think so.

>but it's been a
> common question on their support board. I believe the odds of success
> are better with USB or FW.

Clueless.

 

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In article <ae681794.0407271848.37d9ce09@posting.google.com>,
Bobby Fischler <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message news:<dih0e0la8oal13rahrmihs2dr5or4q7s9r@4ax.com>...
>> On 25 Jun 2004 15:57:20 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
>> >have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
>> >$154.
>>
>> I buy most of my hardware from www.newegg.com these days, but there's
>> a lot to be said for a local vendor if there's not a big price
>> difference. Returns are much quicker and easier, if necessary.
>
>
>I able able to use the TI 7.0 boot disk and NT/Acronis see the WD 120
>Gig external (E) drive plugged into the 1.1 USB.
>
>
>1. I select Disk Clone in TI 7.0.
>2. TI sees the internal drives on the Old HP and sees the WD External.
>
>3. It says I have some partitions on the WD external - it is brand
>new. Says it has to wipe them to proceed. No problem because the ext
>drive is empty.
>
>4. I get to the final step. Has the Source and Target selected
>correctly. It asks me 3 choices. Wipe the old drive, make some
>changes (??) or leave source alone. I obviously want to leave the C
>source drive alone but it mentions that by leaving alone I can store
>the old drive like put it in a box??? I just want to copy the data
>from the C Pavilion drive to the E WD External. I don't want to
>disturb the C at all. Comments?
>
>I want an exact clone on the external. Once I have that I will open
>the old HP Pavilion and put in a second Internal and back that up too.
>
>Am I doing it right or do I want to "Create an Image."
>
>
>Also: Western Digital says be extra careful when unplugging the
>External from the machine. It says use the XP "Eject Hardware" icon.
> NT 4.0 SP 6 does not have such an icon. Do I power down the HP
>machine then power down the external drive and then unplug and unplug
>the USB?
>
>Anyone know if Acronis will let me pay them $40 a hour or something to
>walk me through for 10 minutes?

Gack!!! Nt40 (Actually NT40 did lots of good work for me.)

Maybe the old hardware you're running has USB problems. I can't
believe it's USB2 and In my experience USB1 runs at about
1 MB/sec.

I've lost track of our goal here. Is it to migrate data to anothe r
machine or to do backups, or something else.

I'd put the 120GB disk on an IDE controller in the machine
and boot TI and image your machine that way.

Try plugging your USB/120GB disk into the newest machine
you can get your hands on and see if you can boot TI
and image the C drive.

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My WD hard drive came with a cd-rom of utilities that includes
copying lots of files from the old HD to the new HD, including
cloning the old one if you want to make the new HD your boot drive.

If you didn't get any utilities in the box, contact your customer support

 

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"Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ae681794.0407271848.37d9ce09@posting.google.com...
> Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
news:<dih0e0la8oal13rahrmihs2dr5or4q7s9r@4ax.com>...
> > On 25 Jun 2004 15:57:20 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
> > >have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
> > >$154.
> >
> > I buy most of my hardware from www.newegg.com these days, but there's
> > a lot to be said for a local vendor if there's not a big price
> > difference. Returns are much quicker and easier, if necessary.
>
>
> I able able to use the TI 7.0 boot disk and NT/Acronis see the WD 120
> Gig external (E) drive plugged into the 1.1 USB.
>
>
> 1. I select Disk Clone in TI 7.0.
> 2. TI sees the internal drives on the Old HP and sees the WD External.
>
> 3. It says I have some partitions on the WD external - it is brand
> new. Says it has to wipe them to proceed. No problem because the ext
> drive is empty.
>
> 4. I get to the final step. Has the Source and Target selected
> correctly. It asks me 3 choices. Wipe the old drive, make some
> changes (??) or leave source alone. I obviously want to leave the C
> source drive alone but it mentions that by leaving alone I can store
> the old drive like put it in a box??? I just want to copy the data
> from the C Pavilion drive to the E WD External. I don't want to
> disturb the C at all. Comments?
>
> I want an exact clone on the external. Once I have that I will open
> the old HP Pavilion and put in a second Internal and back that up too.
>
> Am I doing it right or do I want to "Create an Image."
>
>
> Also: Western Digital says be extra careful when unplugging the
> External from the machine. It says use the XP "Eject Hardware" icon.
> NT 4.0 SP 6 does not have such an icon. Do I power down the HP
> machine then power down the external drive and then unplug and unplug
> the USB?
>
> Anyone know if Acronis will let me pay them $40 a hour or something to
> walk me through for 10 minutes?
Where did you get USB driver for NT4? USB1.1 will take AGES! Why can't you
just plug in extra IDE drive and clone to that?
Mike.

 

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In article <41080a8d_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
Michael Hawes <michael.hawes1remove@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Bobby Fischler" <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:ae681794.0407271848.37d9ce09@posting.google.com...
>> Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message
>news:<dih0e0la8oal13rahrmihs2dr5or4q7s9r@4ax.com>...
>> > On 25 Jun 2004 15:57:20 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
>> > >have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
>> > >$154.
>> >
>> > I buy most of my hardware from www.newegg.com these days, but there's
>> > a lot to be said for a local vendor if there's not a big price
>> > difference. Returns are much quicker and easier, if necessary.
>>
>>
>> I able able to use the TI 7.0 boot disk and NT/Acronis see the WD 120
>> Gig external (E) drive plugged into the 1.1 USB.
>>
>>
>> 1. I select Disk Clone in TI 7.0.
>> 2. TI sees the internal drives on the Old HP and sees the WD External.
>>
>> 3. It says I have some partitions on the WD external - it is brand
>> new. Says it has to wipe them to proceed. No problem because the ext
>> drive is empty.
>>
>> 4. I get to the final step. Has the Source and Target selected
>> correctly. It asks me 3 choices. Wipe the old drive, make some
>> changes (??) or leave source alone. I obviously want to leave the C
>> source drive alone but it mentions that by leaving alone I can store
>> the old drive like put it in a box??? I just want to copy the data
>> from the C Pavilion drive to the E WD External. I don't want to
>> disturb the C at all. Comments?
>>
>> I want an exact clone on the external. Once I have that I will open
>> the old HP Pavilion and put in a second Internal and back that up too.
>>
>> Am I doing it right or do I want to "Create an Image."
>>
>>
>> Also: Western Digital says be extra careful when unplugging the
>> External from the machine. It says use the XP "Eject Hardware" icon.
>> NT 4.0 SP 6 does not have such an icon. Do I power down the HP
>> machine then power down the external drive and then unplug and unplug
>> the USB?
>>
>> Anyone know if Acronis will let me pay them $40 a hour or something to
>> walk me through for 10 minutes?


>Where did you get USB driver for NT4? USB1.1 will take AGES! Why can't you
>just plug in extra IDE drive and clone to that?
> Mike.

He's booting the TI7 cdrom which is very modern software that
supports USB. NT4 is out of the loop. I agree
it'll be slow.


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adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote in message news:<ce74qj$6g1$1@panix3.panix.com>...
> In article <ae681794.0407271848.37d9ce09@posting.google.com>,
> Bobby Fischler <francishals@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> >Neil Maxwell <neil.maxwell@intel.com> wrote in message news:<dih0e0la8oal13rahrmihs2dr5or4q7s9r@4ax.com>...
> >> On 25 Jun 2004 15:57:20 -0700, frans_hals5@hotmail.com (FransHals)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have bought the software and need to get an external drive. Anyone
> >> >have any preferences? Office Depot has a Maxtor 120 gb for about
> >> >$154.
> >>
> >> I buy most of my hardware from www.newegg.com these days, but there's
> >> a lot to be said for a local vendor if there's not a big price
> >> difference. Returns are much quicker and easier, if necessary.
> >
> >
> >I able able to use the TI 7.0 boot disk and NT/Acronis see the WD 120
> >Gig external (E) drive plugged into the 1.1 USB.
> >
> >
> >1. I select Disk Clone in TI 7.0.
> >2. TI sees the internal drives on the Old HP and sees the WD External.
> >
> >3. It says I have some partitions on the WD external - it is brand
> >new. Says it has to wipe them to proceed. No problem because the ext
> >drive is empty.
> >
> >4. I get to the final step. Has the Source and Target selected
> >correctly. It asks me 3 choices. Wipe the old drive, make some
> >changes (??) or leave source alone. I obviously want to leave the C
> >source drive alone but it mentions that by leaving alone I can store
> >the old drive like put it in a box??? I just want to copy the data
> >from the C Pavilion drive to the E WD External. I don't want to
> >disturb the C at all. Comments?
> >
> >I want an exact clone on the external. Once I have that I will open
> >the old HP Pavilion and put in a second Internal and back that up too.
> >
> >Am I doing it right or do I want to "Create an Image."
> >
> >
> >Also: Western Digital says be extra careful when unplugging the
> >External from the machine. It says use the XP "Eject Hardware" icon.
> > NT 4.0 SP 6 does not have such an icon. Do I power down the HP
> >machine then power down the external drive and then unplug and unplug
> >the USB?
> >
> >Anyone know if Acronis will let me pay them $40 a hour or something to
> >walk me through for 10 minutes?
>
> Gack!!! Nt40 (Actually NT40 did lots of good work for me.)
>
> Maybe the old hardware you're running has USB problems. I can't
> believe it's USB2 and In my experience USB1 runs at about
> 1 MB/sec.
>
> I've lost track of our goal here. Is it to migrate data to anothe r
> machine or to do backups, or something else.
>
> I'd put the 120GB disk on an IDE controller in the machine
> and boot TI and image your machine that way.
>
> Try plugging your USB/120GB disk into the newest machine
> you can get your hands on and see if you can boot TI
> and image the C drive.

Thanks for your patience and kindness.

I am all set on the USB 1.1.

I am trying to just make a back up copy/image to the external. My
goal is if the old machine or hard drive dies - I have the exact image
& settings. I want the old machine and hard drive to be left alone to
keep running.

I thought I wanted Disk Clone but I think I really want Create Image.