Lot of FUD here, gonna clean up cos honestly a different sort of person would use Macs if most of the people attacking them spoke more sense. Macs are good. Price is not but they are good.
AndrewFreedman :
mlee 2500 :
We're gonna need a bigger battery.
There is! Apple increased the size of the battery to accommodate the new RAM.
I would completely understand if this unit shipped with battery where the older units had GPUs. This is a daily driver PC and suits and active life away from power ports well, even if it's slow. It would benefit most of the people that buy it more of the time than the GPU would.
Finstar :
kaoboykong :
For content creators, you could get better performance on a laptop with a gtx 1060, compared to the radeon pro 560x. Props to their engineering capabilities for squeezing in a i9 with 32gb ram capabilities, but for the price tag of $2,400 it is not worth it.
Most serious content creators would however prefer a workstation card (like the Pro 560X) over a gaming card.
Not to mention most laptops with a GTX 1060 are cheaply made low quality G4m1ng 1337 laptops with a battery life of mind blowing 30mins.
Since you have a professional content creator background and all you probably know that these compete with the likes of Lenovos Thinkpad P series and those are very similarly priced.
Sorry that's rubbish. Most content creators prefer workstation DRIVERS over standard ones, and any standard gaming card can be flashed with WS firmware and get all the performance benefits of it's workstation equivalent barring ECC (which only matters for week long renders.. if you need that you've got the money not to care). Funny because in the workstation market, a flashed 1060 will perform better than a unflashed 1080ti. You buy that flashed 1060 from NV, then it's called a P4000 and costs £800.
Why does this matter? Well because in MacOS, all GPUs can use Workstation drivers, inc the gaming cards. My 1050 is your P1000 with less GRAM, that's it.
gilleskakaruto :
kaoboykong :
For content creators, you could get better performance on a laptop with a gtx 1060, compared to the radeon pro 560x. Props to their engineering capabilities for squeezing in a i9 with 32gb ram capabilities, but for the price tag of $2,400 it is not worth it.
you can also find 8gen core i7 hexa-core laptops with 1060 or even 1070, to not lose too much power vs the i9, anyway, due to thermal throttling and how thin this laptop is, I doubt it can run all these cores at high speed so, that i9 extra price is probably useless vs the hexa i7
You'll also get approximately an hour with a loaded 1080 GPU away from a wall socket: Useless for a Graphics student that wants to be able to follow a lecturer for example. Hell it makes a pretty bad laptop all round, simply too much power and not enough battery.
i9 is a name tag 'invented for Apple', just like the Core M invention that just so happened to arrive on the market with the launch of the MacBook. It's actually just a Coffee lake 6 core, identical to the 8600 i7, but for lower power reqs. Apple are (as usual) trying to make it hard for anyone to compare specs, because their argument is their software makes those specs less important: there's too much additional kit (like co-processors, and the software layers) in the Mac for it to be a straight comparison. I would not be surprised if it's actually the Intel/AMD Vega chip that was making the rounds recently. If that was the case it would make an excellent content creation laptop, with a discrete 1030 that uses 8W so can run for 6 hours of creation and 6 cores of encoding grunt.
gilleskakaruto :
AgentLozen :
So everyone's problem with this laptop is the price / performance ratio? It costs too much for what your getting.
But if you were an Apple cultist and money was no object, then this laptop would meet your needs?
if you're a sheep, hum I mean an Apple fanboy, any crap apple will release will be fine for you since anyway, you know nothing about technology
1. No. An iMac Pro might though. 14 Core W please, and max the RAM. I also do personally like the look of the current Air and might get one in the future.
If money wasn't a factor, everyone would have a Mac. Even those talking wish about gaming performance would just get a Pro with it's dual RX580s. I don't know many people that will complain that CF RX580 is too little.
2. Most mac heads know nothing about hardware: It comes already made. You'll find they know as much if not more about software though, as that's what they did whilst you did hardware. And other things, such as resale value, liquidity, y'know, real financial tools that are important outside of the realm of Computing... these are things Apple excel at. They make computer appliances that are meant to be resold, not used until broken. When you look at it this way, you'll find the person you sell to gives you back the apple tax you paid in the first place.
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