Apple: Netbooks Don't Deserve Mac Brand

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[citation][nom]hallic7[/nom]Hardware ignorant = Mac customer (99% true!) XD[/citation]

Some people are actually fine with paying more, because they like Macs and hate Windows!!
 
[citation][nom]AdamB5000[/nom]It's nice to see a company work toward quality and not quantity. Even though I don't have a need for their product, that policy is cool with me.[/citation]

I can agree with that. That's essentially what apple is saying, but with a little more snobbery.

Maybe they're actually afraid of OS X really getting a substantial market share. It would open up their operating system and Safari to many more malicious attacks. Then that whole "more secure than a PC" nonsense would go out the window, and that's really all they got.
 
[citation][nom]hallic7[/nom]Hardware ignorant = Mac customer (99% true!) XD[/citation]

Not necessarily true. I am 90% a Windows user but I own a refurbished Mac-mini and make money selling iPhone apps on the side. There are deals to be had with Apple you just won't find them on the store.apple.com page.
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Not necessarily true. I am 90% a Windows user but I own a refurbished Mac-mini and make money selling iPhone apps on the side. There are deals to be had with Apple you just won't find them on the store.apple.com page.[/citation]

That's why I said 99% true 😀 just a little joke for the fanboys XD
 
Ok. I can buy this. After all why would they. It cost to little and that just does not fit into Apples closed proprietary, charge and/or take advantage of customers and their money.

“We don’t know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk,”

OH! But they know how to build, imo, a $1200 to $2000 piece of junk.
 
[citation][nom]stradric[/nom]Maybe they're actually afraid of OS X really getting a substantial market share. It would open up their operating system and Safari to many more malicious attacks. [/citation]


Interesting point
 
It's too bad too. I imagine OSX would run pretty well on netbooks. Infact, I'd imagine it'd likely be the best OS for underpowered hardware.
 
[citation][nom]69camaroSS[/nom]Some people are actually fine with paying more, because they like Macs and hate Windows!![/citation]

You are right. People are allowed to decide whether they want Windows, OSX, or Linux. However, when a mac user thinks that the price premium they pay is justified by some sort of better hardware, that is where the term "hardware ignorance" comes in. I think that is what hallic7 was trying to say, just a little bit more blatant and probably overly inaccurate with the 99% estimate. So when you spend all of the extra cash for OSX and the apple name, that is fine, and more power to you. Just don't think you are getting something that performs better than what I have just because yours says apple and mine says hp.

My beef with this new statement from apple is that they just told everyone with a sub-$500 computer that their computer is junk. OR they just said that THEY, as in APPLE, do not have the ABILITY to build a quality machine for less than $500. Either way, it's not a good statement from apple.

I don't think apple needs to get into the netbook business, because i think they are fine where they are at. Would an apple netbook sell? of course! but if they don't think it will bring their company prosperity, then that is a good enough reason for me. Just don't feed me and the rest of the world that marketing bull crap that we have to spend more than $500 for anything to be considered better than "junk".

IMO its either another attempt to inform the world that Macs are "better", or it is just saying that apple cannot efficiently and cost effectively bring a sub-$500 machine to the market.
 
they said sub-$500 notebook....might as well be sub-$1000 since they dont even try in the $500-$1000 range anyway.

And ChaosGS, 2 things:
1) being jewish and rish are completely unrelated
2) actually judaism IS a race, it is the only religion you are born into - if your mom is jewish, you are jewish, like it or not

Not all jews are money grubbing, cheap, and greedy. I know quite a few, I am one.
 
“When I look at netbooks, I see cracked keyboards, terrible software, junky hardware, very small screens,” he said. “It’s just not a good consumer experience and not something we would put the Mac brand on. It’s a segment we would not choose to play in.”

The last part about the very small screens confuses me. They have a commercial saying you can basically run an entire business on an iphone with all these magical "apps" (which I thought was laughable anyway). But a 8"-10" screen on a netbook isn't a good consumer experience? And the cracked keyboards jab; didn't the older Mac Books have a big problem with the cases cracking? Oh and the terrible software, I guess anything that doesn't begin with "i" is terrible right?
 
[citation][nom]69camaroSS[/nom]Some people are actually fine with paying more, because they like Macs and hate Windows!![/citation]

no one likes mac. people may like os x. buy a regular laptop and install os x. voila.
 
I like to see a company focus on a quality product, but that is not what the bulk of consumers want. I suppose people that want a mac netbook should buy the MacAir. No reason Apple couldn't make a more economical version of that machine, but it still won't compete on price with ASUS.

I just got back from BestBuy and while there I had to touch a couple of Macs just for grins. Their smaller machines look pretty but they are HEAVY.
 
[citation][nom]touchdowntexas13[/nom] Just don't think you are getting something that performs better than what I have just because yours says apple and mine says hp[/citation]

Well, if the hardware is the same and mine is running OSX, it probably will perform better. I think there are a lot more knowledgable hardware people out there using Macs than most people on this site think.

When it all comes down to it, the knowledgable hardware guy knows that unless you are gaming, there's not much speed difference between computers anyway, past ugrading your RAM and adding a decent graphics card. I do however like Apples new unibody design (laptops) and I like the new track pad. That is hardware, that is really unavailable to HP users. Their LED backlit screens are also gorgeous, although you can find them on other notebooks.
 
MAC users are like that episode of Southpark where everyone started buying hybrids thinks the sh$1 dont stink.
I thought all mac's were overpriced pieces of garbage.
They say mac is becoming the new mainstream for many companies with the ability to run windows/linux etc... And that windows cannot do all that.

Hmmm thats becuse the MAC Eula states it can only be used on a mac branded machine. (Can we say Monopoly)

The honest reason they cannot go into the netbook market is, the fact that there profit margin would shrink. We all know how much Intel processors go for, how much ram, mobo's, cases, even the mac os go for.
If they compete in that market they would be found out that they already make junky machines and the end of apple would be here....
 
[citation][nom]jsloan[/nom]your remarks are disturbing. there is no needs to bring in the jews. it's racist. you could have said,“i imagine that the greedy bastards dont find that significant enough to quench their thirst for profit..."and nobody would have gotten upset. and it may have been correct. but there was no needs to have the "jews". being greedy is not a religious thing or a nationality thing or a race thing, if there is such a thing. there are greedy people everywhere, of all colors, nationality, race, ect.[/citation]

Fine, FINE! I am sorry to all who have found my comment offensive.
 
[citation][nom]jgoette[/nom]no one likes mac. people may like os x. buy a regular laptop and install os x. voila.[/citation]

Wrong. Plenty of people like Macs obviously. OSX just happens to be their best re4al world advantage.
 
I really don't understand Cook's beef with netbooks. Saying a netbook is not a personal computer is, imo, completely wrong. I'm waiting with baited breath for the Apple tablet, devoid of "cracked keyboards," complete with big screen and a big price.
 
Just wanted to add, a mac probably cost around the same price to build as a pc, the only difference is mac has a huge markup.
Mac computers are like a $300.00 pair of jeans, there is no difference between them and a $20.00 pair. Though people will tell you how great there 300.00 jeans are, but its all about what people are willing to pay.
 
[citation][nom]mrfisthand[/nom]“We don’t know how to build a sub-$500 computer that is not a piece of junk,” That sounds like a personal problem Steve[/citation]

That was my first thought.

But it does make sense. Consider how much time the put into planning the look, feel, and marketing of any given device. They really can't afford to make a low margin product with their current business model. It would either undercut their own high margin products, or tarnish their elitist brand name view, or both.

While any hardware savy person can say "its easy...just use x,y,and z. Viola, sub $500 apple netbook" apple simply doesn't do things that way. If they did they would also be interested in making scalable products. Which they aren't.

While the comments they made and the way they made them are asinine in the extreme but not unexpected. The crux of the issue for them is still understandable.
 
[citation][nom]ehenry818[/nom]Just wanted to add, a mac probably cost around the same price to build as a pc, the only difference is mac has a huge markup. Mac computers are like a $300.00 pair of jeans, there is no difference between them and a $20.00 pair. Though people will tell you how great there 300.00 jeans are, but its all about what people are willing to pay.[/citation]

More like a $20 pair of jeans and a $30 pair of jeans. A computer is a big purchase; nothing wrong with getting what you like.
 
[citation][nom]touchdowntexas13[/nom]However, when a mac user thinks that the price premium they pay is justified by some sort of better hardware, that is where the term "hardware ignorance" comes in. I think that is what hallic7 was trying to say, just a little bit more blatant and probably overly inaccurate with the 99% estimate.[/citation]

That is correct... I think that if computer buyers would be well informed about hardware and their performance/price relation Mac would have a huge punch in the face.

There will always be people willing to pay extra $$$ for a Mac design and how it looks or for it's OS (which you can run in a PC). But the sad reality is that most of Mac buyers don't know what's inside the "cute and cool" white box and the real price of the components, and (here's the evil part I think) Mac takes advantage in this ignorance selling those components overpriced.
 
Reading all this from my trusty dell mini 9 hackintosh, I cannot help but wonder how they could say such a thing.

To be honest, Os X is a very usable os for netbooks, in fact, the interface is much more easily tailored to a netbook than the hoooo so old looking xp. Furthermore it's stable and stays clean and sharp. I had an eeepc900ha running xp before, and found myself constantly reformating even though I was only using the computer for light stuff. Of course I was a bit OCD about the speed of my machine but in the end, xp simply gets sluggish too fast nowaday no matter how good and technically knowledgeable you are.

Also, the reduced number of application from Os X, an argument against the os that is forever revelant, doesnt matter because you wouldnt use these applications(aka games) on a netbook anyway. The remaining stuff is well suited for a small computer.

Apple is making a very big mistake here, I can understand them not wanting to cannibalize their Iphone/Ipod touch sales, but it just goes to show that they do not understand what a netbook is.

A netbook is simply an extension of your main computer. It is not suppose to take over your main computer and won't... They are flashy items, yes, flashy and then, what is more flashy than an apple netbook....

I am pretty sure that by putting out an Os X netbook, a 500 aluminium machine with a good multitouch trackpad and 10 inches screen with an ion chipset, it would probably lower their sales of Iphones/ipod touch but at the same time, more people would be able to appreciate the cleaness of Os X and I wouldn't be surprised to see their sale of main computers then increasing.

So, to sum it up, it is a very bad move by Apple, simply because the netbook segment is a market where they are able to compete all the way against microsoft, a market where the usual grudge against them are irrevalent and the good aspects of their computers very much more apparant in consequence.
 
[citation][nom]69camaroSS[/nom]Well, if the hardware is the same and mine is running OSX, it probably will perform better. I think there are a lot more knowledgable hardware people out there using Macs than most people on this site think. When it all comes down to it, the knowledgable hardware guy knows that unless you are gaming, there's not much speed difference between computers anyway, past ugrading your RAM and adding a decent graphics card. I do however like Apples new unibody design (laptops) and I like the new track pad. That is hardware, that is really unavailable to HP users. Their LED backlit screens are also gorgeous, although you can find them on other notebooks.[/citation]

not really bro,yeah the mac osx is cool but it does not do anything special and relevant that windows cannot do. then you you talk about the most trivial things in most tests and benchmarks when they rate the best laptops out there hp usually outperforms macs and has better price to performance ratio many tech people wont spend an extra 1000 dollars for a pretty track pad or back lit led screens....this is the problem with apple fan boys,you guys seem unable to realize that all those pretty things you guys always boast about (rarely every benchmarks or actual real world performance) do not warrant the price for those machines add the fact that by buying them you are limited in hardware selection and that there is a very strong chance you will end up having to run windows anyway for several programs and apps and voila, a 1000 dollar waste that you could have used to get an hp with better performance and less cost. and even in prettiness there are much better looking lap tops than macs but to you that might sound like martian because you are trying to justify spending an extra 500 for a pretty trackpad lol
 
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