Apple to Become World's Largest PC Maker in H2 2012?

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[citation][nom]jezus53[/nom]Dell may disappear in the consumer market but it still very strong in the commercial area. Schools and businesses love em, and their business laptops are pretty nice. My 4 year old Latitude works like a champ. All I had to do was replace the battery, which is common on laptops anyways, and the thing was only 20 bucks on Amazon so no big deal. It's their consumer laptops that suck.[/citation]


Schools? ? ?

Seriously have you been to a school in the past 10 years?

I am a teacher. I have worked in several districts and in the past few years, Macs are ALL I see and that trend is growing fast. Schools are the last place that Dell is "doing good."
 
[citation][nom]phyrexiancure[/nom]Most people use desktop to do basic things like surfing the web and watching movies. Tablets can do the same, so maybe they have a point. But desktop and laptop computers are meant to allow you to do more broad tasks that tablets, so I guessing this is were the conflict is.[/citation]

That is the source of the conflict. Most of us THG readers do more than browse the web and watch movies.
 
Does anyone here use logic?

A Personal Computer(PC) is a computer with a microprocessor and operating system specifically built for use by a single person at a time. The first desktop PC's didn't even have a mouse; they were just keyboards and screens.

Just because functionality is different on tablets or smartphones doesn't make them a non-pc... They're just mobile computers meant to be used for different reasons than laptops/desktops.
 
[citation][nom]bvq77[/nom]"However, if we assume for a moment that tablets could be considered PCs..."^I stopped reading here.[/citation]

^I didnt bother reading after reading this comment fortunately i dont waste my time reading apple articles
 
[citation][nom]Haserath[/nom]Does anyone here use logic?A Personal Computer(PC) is a computer with a microprocessor and operating system specifically built for use by a single person at a time. The first desktop PC's didn't even have a mouse; they were just keyboards and screens.Just because functionality is different on tablets or smartphones doesn't make them a non-pc... They're just mobile computers meant to be used for different reasons than laptops/desktops.[/citation]

The issue isn't with logic, it is with marketing.

Sure you can say that a smart phone is just a mobile computer, but the term PC was never intended to include smart phones and tablets.

For the past 20 years, PC meant desktop; once portable systems stopped being terrible they were desktop replacements.

This entire article is someone with apple on their breath wanting to call a letigous company with a focus on smartphone/tablets/and portable media players the worlds largest computer manufacturer. There is no logic here, merely marketing rhetoric that would have you believe that Apple "is number 1"
 
[citation][nom]cookoy[/nom]Wikipedia defines a PC as a general purpose computer for individuals. A PC has several types: desktops, mobiles like laptops, netbooks, tablets, pocket PC.[/citation]

A PC is also defined as a computing device that's a multi-purpose computer.
The so called iPad and all other tablets out their running a mobile operating system is mostly a single purpose content consumption device. Sure theirs productivity apps (like open-office), but primarily they are designed for content consumption not content creation.



 
[citation][nom]Haserath[/nom]Just because functionality is different on tablets or smartphones doesn't make them a non-pc... They're just mobile computers meant to be used for different reasons than laptops/desktops.[/citation]Fine, but if the market analysis people want to consider a tablet a PC then they must also count all smartphones, which this analysis did not.

To me, they are seemingly hand-picking types of devices to include in order to make Apple look like they are on top.

1) If you don't include tablets or smartphones, Apples is not on top.
2) If you do include tablets and smartphones, Apples is not on top.
3) If you include only tablets, but not smartphones (IOW only tablets with screens larger than 5"), THEN and only then is Apple the top dog.
 
I totally understand the reluctance to classify a tablet as a pc. Yesterday I was at an electronics store. On my way out I walked past the Apple display. There were several iPads and they were connected to the Internet. I looked at my own site, my clients' sites, and Tom's Hardware. The web pages were entirely too small and I had to do a lot of scrolling. On top of that I had to use a "touchscreen" keyboard which was a little awkward.

Last week I noticed a friend of mine had a new phone with Internet access. I asked him to show me a few web pages. It was worse than the iPad.

GEEZ! I thought a 15 inch screen was bad.
 
[citation][nom]cookoy[/nom]Wikipedia defines a PC as a general purpose computer for individuals. A PC has several types: desktops, mobiles like laptops, netbooks, tablets, pocket PC.[/citation] Citation Needed
 
Without a real definition for PC, its hard to make the call. "I can't tell you what a PC is. I just know that apple doesn't make any," will not do. I know plenty of people who get no closer to content creation than emails and forum noise on high end Alienware/Falcon Northwest. Are those also not PCs? I do numerous PC esque tasks on my iPad. I really don't on my phone (because working on a screen that small is just awful), but I could if I wanted to bad enough. Really, what does anyone care anyway? If Apple IS the number one maker, are you going to love them then or go out and buy what you like? Apple not being number one didn't make them go away. Just use what you like and don't worry about it.
 
This article is an example of why Apple users become dumb. Think man, Think.

No ipad user will buy another new updated one in the future, because its impractical. Tablets are for browsing and for games primarily. If they include video editing on it, probably people will buy again or if they include phone features in it. So having a bigger sale on 2012 is impossible without new innovation on it. Siri might help a little.

Except if you want to burn your pocket.
 
PC is an ambiguous term, and a pretty stupid one to try to use with precision.

IBM released the PC in 1981. Some people consider machines that were born from that to be PCs, other people consider any computer used "personally" to be a PC. The term Personal Computer did exist before the PC.

It's a matter of semantics. Who cares?

What does matter is that Apple is selling Tablets, making money from them, and they are doing a lot of what people use a computer for.

But not all. That's where you get into the question of relevance. Are tablets replacing desktop machines? Obviously they are in some instances, but is it rarely (which I suspect), or is it common? How many people can do what they want with just a tablet, and find a computer with a keyboard unnecessary now? For those, it's a "PC". If it's an additional device one uses to watch movies on the go, or similar things, it probably wouldn't be as relevant in this context.

Clearly, there's some of both. How many is the question. Some people are buying tablets to essentially replace their computer in most tasks, and some are using for things they typically would not use their computer for, or in addition to their computer. Still, with what iPads cost, it has to cut into computer purchases in some way, in some ways delaying them.

So, call it what you want. It's irrelevant. The iPad is not, however, not in terms of usage, not in terms of market impact, and not in terms of Apple's profits. It's happening even if you don't like it, and want to deny it, and don't want to call it a PC. The only hope left is that it's just a fad, which I hope it is. I still consider the keyboard a very important component of my computer system. But, the lousy typists of the world probably feel validated by tablets; it evens the field.
 
No corporate in their right mind would base their desktop delivery system on the Apple core infrastructure.

To do so would abandon the standards based approach that made the PC (non Apple) ubiquitous. Diversity and shared standards spurs innovation.
 
[citation][nom]legacy7955[/nom]Is Gruener an "app" developed by Apple? Sheesh, enough already.[/citation]

ROFL, I wouldn't be surprised!

[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]I must be out of the loop. I expected Marcus Yam to be spouting this non-sense.Guess I don't click on the weekly reiteration of this same article often enough.[/citation]

No way. Gruener is the Apple lobby on Tom's, not Yam.

[citation][nom]RealityClash[/nom]Would a Windows 8 tablet be classed as a PC considering it's running a full blown OS instead of say just Android or iOS?[/citation]

More so than the existing tablets, BUT it still runs ARM, therefore a "full blown OS" is limited to the Win8 "apps".

MY dream is to have a tablet that can run EXACTLY the same stuff as my desktop/laptop. That is, not just an ARM version of the same software, but EXACTLY the same software - e.g. I install MPC or Skype or Firefox or whatnot on my PC and I expect to take this installer and run it on the mobile device.

[citation][nom]walter87[/nom]A PC is also defined as a computing device that's a multi-purpose computer.The so called iPad and all other tablets out their running a mobile operating system is mostly a single purpose content consumption device. Sure theirs productivity apps (like open-office), but primarily they are designed for content consumption not content creation.[/citation]

That's true. Even creating something as simple as a text document is like 100x times easier on a desktop/laptop than on a tablet.

inb4 someone says "BUT in teh future you will be able to dock your tablet and have same functionality as a desktop"...

... why do you need to shift from a desktop, then?

😀
 
people, stop panicking. and try to not look like you haven't panicked by the idea of apple pc being used everywhere...and stop..i think.
if apple successfully expands their share in pc market it's good news. more people will not have to worry about upgrading, tweaking, customizing their personal computers. they would have to start having nightmares about the prices for upgrade components.
and everyone knows if your mac is having problems, You Are Using It Wrong (yauiw). and macs are far more secure than windows pcs. apple will create a new market for [strike]$999[/strike] $1200 entry level computers!
non apple personal computing devices are so doomed. :lol:
edit: after thorough research i realized that i put wrong entry level mac price. corrected it.
 


You got it!
 
If Apple was selling this much PCs, then you'd expect their market share to rise sharply from 7% or whatever they had.

The fine print is, that many of these analyst firms count a tablet as PC - which they are not.
 
[citation][nom]Haserath[/nom]Does anyone here use logic?A Personal Computer(PC) is a computer with a microprocessor and operating system specifically built for use by a single person at a time. The first desktop PC's didn't even have a mouse; they were just keyboards and screens.Just because functionality is different on tablets or smartphones doesn't make them a non-pc... They're just mobile computers meant to be used for different reasons than laptops/desktops.[/citation]

Logic doesn't work if you start out with faulty assumptions. a "PC" is a specific type of computer; it's not a server, it's not a Cray supercomputer, and it's not a tablet or smart phone. All of these things are computers, but they aren't PCs.

Even Apple itself has gone to great pains to make sure everyone understands their desktop computers are NOT PCs; PCs, by their definition, run Microsoft Windows, period. (Remember the commercial? "I'm a Mac." "I'm a PC.") If their desktop computers aren't PCs, their tablets sure the heck aren't PCs!

Canalys' analysts are so stupid they don't even understand that.

I find it interesting that people have been saying ever since Vista came out that Apple has increased it's sales by X amount every year, but when the math is done at the end of each year, they actually have dropped down to about 5% of the desktop computer market.

Tablets are computers, yes, but they aren't desktop computers. Frankly though, I could care less what shenanigans Apple's marketing team pulls to try to bolster their products in the eyes of consumers. Nothing new about that - I'm not going to believe it, and it's clear that 95% of the population of computer buyers don't believe their load of manure either.

 
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