Are Intel joking re: i3 pricing?

[mindless728]

I'm thinking that since intel jumped the gun and put out these parts that compete with current gen amt/nvidia IGP (if anand/thg is to be believed) then amd have to up the game with a low end maybe 4350 or hell 45xx level performance in a IGP and just knock intel out of the water again lol

or else amd is in a serious position to loose some of it's chipset deal (esp on laptops)

i don't think they need to up the ante on, the AMD IGP is still better (ie HD3200/3300/4200), though this could affect the mobile IGP market a tad, and the mobo/cpu combo (at leas for DIY, not sure about OEM's) is lower priced or better performance for the same price

 

[noob2222]

Sounds to me like you're explaining to us how unregulated Capitalism works.

So in the context of unregulated Capitalism being "Good" and Greed being "Good" (as the majority of Americans believe) what is the problem?

The problem is exactly what you are seeing with these weak dual core cpus. Exhuberant pricing. Imagine the pricing if AMD was out of business. Its exactly what Intel wants, to double thier prices, and that benefits no one.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Which is good, and hopefully Intel has even more coming, and is why I get upset saying we dont need this, we need more, and hopefully Intel will bring it.


@ mindless Unfortunately, I havnt seen all the i3 benches out yet, Ill see if i can find one, as thats an area where it should do well

 

[mindless728]

I would love to see another processor manufacturer come out put pressure on both Intel and AMD. We only have a choice of two, we need more selection to drive down the prices further.

well don't count on it since i think the next major x86/64 cpu maker is VIA, i don't know who else (if any) have access to the x86/64 license

and JDJ when i said home theater i meant Blu-Ray/HD content playback not encoding/converting media files (i think the NV IGP has the lead currently)

 

[mindless728]

Via need to get their hustle on and bring out some CPUs. They do not have to be fast at first, just cheap.

well they do have processors, the VIA nano are their newest series
VIA nano
and they are in the "not that fast" speed category, pretty much they are meant to compete with intel atom

 

[theholylancer]

i don't think they need to up the ante on, the AMD IGP is still better (ie HD3200/3300/4200), though this could affect the mobile IGP market a tad, and the mobo/cpu combo (at leas for DIY, not sure about OEM's) is lower priced or better performance for the same price

well these things are still an off part for AMD (unless they are going to fuse soon) so people still have choice to not include the IGP, and so by offering a 45xx performance in an IGP with some built in DDR2 or DDR3 (or use DDR3 from the RAM) then they would be able to just NUKE the new intel IGPs and at the lower end attract more OEM builders

and do the same for laptops



hell maybe with all of this world of warcraft can upgrade to dx 10 option when everyone will have at least a better igp solution rofl

 

[mindless728]

But thats not on the desktop market though?

It would be nice for them to to release sometiming commerically for the desktop market, Intel need to be brought down a peg or two and AMD can not do it alone. We need a more even playing field. The day I have to spend £1,000 on a processor is the say I'm saying good bye to computing. lol

its on the market
Google Product Search for VIA nano

it seems its like the atom, integrated into the motherboard in a lot of cases so when you buy the mobo you are also buying the processor

@theholylancer, i don't think it matters in the desktop scene that the IGP is on the motherboard instead of the processor, it is still better performance, though when they do Fusion, i am hoping for performance of the low end discrete (instead of HD4200, maybe in between HD4350 and HD4550, or between the equivalent HD5k versions)

 

[mindless728]

Excellent, I think the marketing is messed though, in the UK these are not sold at the well known retailers. I'm glad that VIA is still going strong though

same in the US for newegg/zipzoomfly/tigerdirect don't have these either

though amazon does
VIA nano search on Amazon
not many 1/2 maybe 3

btw anyone know how good the VIA nanos are compared to intel/amd clock for clock

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-650-660-661-review-test/6
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=874&p=2
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=3

The above 3 links arent very good benches, or really, a lack of them.
In all 3, they use their experience of the playback, with no real testing being done, and use the dreaded term "smoother" or smooth heheh

 

[mindless728]

@JDJ thanks for the reading material, though if its like you said, could be better

too bad i don't have money (college student and all), or i would test this myself

EDIT: just read them, i guess i will have to wait for a better benchmark, though they say it is considerably faster, SP from 10-12 and between a small drop in speed to a small increase in speed says to me that the difference isn't that great from the g45

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, heres another time Anand gets himself labeled as fanboy:
Clarkdale is just perfect for an HTPC. You get the benefits of integrated graphics without sacrificing any features at all. It’s taken entirely too long but we now have the ability to have the same functionality from a PC as we get from a set-top Blu-ray player. Err, hooray?
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=3

Its not like AMD or nVidia hasnt had this ability all along now is it?

 

[mindless728]

Well, heres another time Anand gets himself labeled as fanboy:
Clarkdale is just perfect for an HTPC. You get the benefits of integrated graphics without sacrificing any features at all. It’s taken entirely too long but we now have the ability to have the same functionality from a PC as we get from a set-top Blu-ray player. Err, hooray?
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=3

Its not like AMD or nVidia hasnt had this ability all along now is it?

yup, thats why my planned HTPC has the 785G chipset, just need the money

 

[roofus]

Well one of my personal favorite tests to run on the Intel IGP's is this terribly stupid but fun download on the Nvidia site. It is a twister demo that came out with the gf4 cards. You can navigate the twister to hits cows, blow apart the trailers in the trailer park, etc. Very old demo but I still have not found a Intel IGP that can play it lol

 

[mindless728]

Well one of my personal favorite tests to run on the Intel IGP's is this terribly stupid but fun download on the Nvidia site. It is a twister demo that came out with the gf4 cards. You can navigate the twister to hits cows, blow apart the trailers in the trailer park, etc. Very old demo but I still have not found a Intel IGP that can play it lol

wow thats hilarious, i have to find it and play it on my PC, it sounds almost as good as kitten cannon

btw, i can't keep thinking about how far off the thread we have swerved in 7 pages

 

[roofus]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/demo_twister.html

enjoy!

 

[mindless728]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/demo_twister.html

enjoy!

there own link to it is broken
http://205.158.109.140/downloads/Twister.exe

i'll just find it through google

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

We really havnt, as this chip has a IGP on die, and thats is exclusiveness right?
So, you can try to ignore this, or play it up, thankfully, weve done neither and talked about it heheh

 

[mindless728]

We really havnt, as this chip has a IGP on die, and thats is exclusiveness right?
So, you can try to ignore this, or play it up, thankfully, weve done neither and talked about it heheh

ok, well last night was bad, and i still think Sigh would love to be in a religion (AMD doesn't count)

i think it shouldn't be ignored being a good idea in both theory and practice, its just they didn't deliver anything new on the IGP front (as usual)

 

[roofus]

Well, heres another time Anand gets himself labeled as fanboy:
Clarkdale is just perfect for an HTPC. You get the benefits of integrated graphics without sacrificing any features at all. It’s taken entirely too long but we now have the ability to have the same functionality from a PC as we get from a set-top Blu-ray player. Err, hooray?
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=3

Its not like AMD or nVidia hasnt had this ability all along now is it?

ok, well last night was bad, and i still think Sigh would love to be in a religion (AMD doesn't count)

i think it shouldn't be ignored being a good idea in both theory and practice, its just they didn't deliver anything new on the IGP front (as usual)

I bet they sell the snot out of them too. Imagine all the stripped down boards in generic little cases getting pumped out by the thousands with these inside. OEM's will show no restraint when it comes to a way to cut costs.

 

[mindless728]

I bet they sell the snot out of them too. Imagine all the stripped down boards in generic little cases getting pumped out by the thousands with these inside. OEM's will show no restraint when it comes to a way to cut costs.

yeah, i see these in boards without a pci-e slot so the user can't upgrade, but i hope this doesn't happen

i also think there may be an OEM only chipset (H53) with reduced IO connectivity inside the case

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yep, itll get praise, maintain prices, and everybody wins except us

 

[mindless728]

if OEM's drop pci-e x16 slots, imagine a user trying to add a discrete card and the best they can get is a 9500gt

 

[roofus]

OEM's do not care about your upgrade path. They care about cash in pocket.

 

[theholylancer]

the pc console is coming, and damn it looks like we are stuck with minimum requirement of intel IGP at this rate


let us pray that amd/nvidia responds with a heavy hand and give us something that can match a low end or low-mid end discreet card in IGP form and make it across the board (well for AMD anyways) so that games can finally be coded for oblivion level GPU needs and not like wow level GPU needs lol

 

[archibael]

Well, heres another time Anand gets himself labeled as fanboy:
Clarkdale is just perfect for an HTPC. You get the benefits of integrated graphics without sacrificing any features at all. It’s taken entirely too long but we now have the ability to have the same functionality from a PC as we get from a set-top Blu-ray player. Err, hooray?
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=3

Its not like AMD or nVidia hasnt had this ability all along now is it?

Actually, it is a lot like that. Both video vendors have had HW accel for Blu-ray for years, certainly , but can you point to IGPs from either which can bitstream high-def audio? There aren't any (yet, anyway). Some discrete graphics and sound cards can do bitstreaming, but no other IGP currently can.

I'm not even sure there is another IGP solution which can decode two Blu-ray video streams at once in HW (which is allegedly important for picture-in-picture-- a feature which I personally don't use, but which there is apparently an interest in for others).

I know this forum focuses on gaming (and rightfully so, as the bleeding edge of performance has been in that space for, like, ever), but the capabilities of the Clarkdales (even the i3) pretty much match the HTPC market to a T. Trust me, that's the space I play in, and I've been waiting for this kind of all-in-one solution for a long time-- low power/low fan needs (PicoPSU), HW accel, and untainted audio over HDMI.

For a guru's look at Clarkdale, check out

http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4489&Itemid=1

I'm not commenting on the relative merits of the CPU for the other uses discussed here. It may or may not suit the usage case you personally are seeking. But in an HTPC, even casting aside my likely bias given my place of employment, these chips are sweet.