Are Intel joking re: i3 pricing?

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i would buy an ati powered console.. wait, i already have 2 hehe
consoles are a risky market. going in new vs the established players would require a awesome console, great price and a catalog of titles to play, not to mention an infastructure to support any online community to compliment it. i would buy one but i see it as too risky until AMD is healthier financially.
 
Any chance of you actually learning something one day Upendra?

Anyway, qurious/notty/purefail...so much wrong with everything you say I'm finding it hard to figure out where to start with your terribad logic.

Nintendo have been around for ages, Sony making PS for god knows how long too, Moneysoft get in the action - if anything was an indication of profitability then that should have set off a few alarm bells.

ATI have a big part to play in all these consoles. The big difference for ATI - if they ever entered the console market on a system base - is that they would ensure the best graphics for themselves, and the best compatibility, the best patching...pretty much everything that would ensure their console was #1.

Some of you could do with waking up to the reality that ATI are world #1 in everything graphics, and are basically in total control of the market while Nvidia loses more of the plot every passing quarter it seems.
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Nintendo has a loyal fanbase and makes great games for their technically mediocre console which btw is relatively inexpensive to manufacture and thus actually has made a profit from day one. The other two consoles are owned by corps with deep pockets that have to dump a large sums of money into research, marketing (which Amd is not really good at even with their core business product), etc. and then wait for years (sony is still waiting) before they make any money on the hardware and even if they get some money on license fees do you really think they will get enough to cover the investment for several years? BTW, I own all 3 consoles. Two boys 6 and 16 years old and a wife who loves her Wii training game. 😍
 


Could this be why they are pricing the Clarkdale and Arrandale at their price points? I mean are we now to expect that the IGP and northbridge should come for free since it's all in the same package?
 
Sure it would be tough, and right now AMD can't afford it.

That's the only reason why they haven't done it already, but don't be too amazed if they decide to move into that market before long.
 
Well that and the overall higher cost. Youre getting IGP regardless, thing is, being new may help, and being first and exclusive may carry its pricing for a time, who knows?
I figure the OEMs will play on it, as will most sites already have, so its a way for everyone to make a few more bucks, youre actually getting less, no PCI etc, but itll be marketed as more/better more features etc
We lose, they win
 
Sure it would be tough, and right now AMD can't afford it.

That's the only reason why they haven't done it already, but don't be too amazed if they decide to move into that market before long.
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So we are all in agreement then. Amd should concentrate on their core business for now and leave the game consoles alone. No need for another Dreamcast or Neo Geo from the green team.
 


Well for what these are aimed for they are actually a very good ROI. You are correct, that these will go into proprietary MB that are as upgradable as a laptop MB would be.
 
Possible in some market segments. I suspect that the x16 ports will be retained, though, for big retailers like Dell and HP purely for configuration management purposes. Much simpler to have one motherboard which services all configurations (IGP, mid-, and high-end graphics solutions) than to have to prove out three different motherboards in validation.

But then again maybe I'm unfamiliar with how retail systems are constructed-- I've only ever built my own-- and they already use different motherboards whether you have an IGP or a discrete.

But if they were going to eliminate x16 ports since IGPs can do the job without a graphics card... wouldn't they already have done this in the last several years?
 
This will be the low end gfx segment soon, as discrete on the lowest end will disappear, with there being no need save for older systems. This may take 2 years, but by them, everyone will have seen the writing on the wall before that.
 


Well the way I see it is if you are going to spend $100 on a blu ray player you might as well spend the extra $50 on a discreet graphics card and if your gonna get gfx card then you should probably get the i5-750 for $150 and well if $300 is too much money then you probably should be saving your money for the rent. 😉
 


It already happened. At work we use something similar to this.... http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ec280/multlang/PM/PM_EC280.pdf . Everything integrated and no upgrade, but if it breaks IT dep can have you up and running in 30 minutes.
 
I read the first and last page of this thread and there is quite a contrast on what is being discussed. But here is what I think about these chips. 1. They are overpriced. 2. I was surprised that the memory controller is not on the cpu die. 3. I was surprised about IGP performance increase. And finally I cant think of one reason to buy these chips besides just getting one to overclock like mad for a project. They would be great for a HTPC but they just cost to much.
 
Here is what I don't get. These may be great HTPC chips, but nothing is mentioned during testing except the fastest GPU enabled 661 processor. The 3 main questions I would have building an HTPC are :

1. What is the cheapest solution that will handle 1080p (specifically testing the i3-530)

2. CPU useage seems pointless with a limited GPU, how about GPU useage charts.
CPU useage would be nice to have spare in case your virus scan kicked in.

3. Most importantly, how often is a frame dropped during playback, or in other words what is the actual framerate during playback, source to output.

Testing and posting results by only using the best solution leaves an ill taste for whether or not the cheap solutions are viable.
 
You may well be correct in a way. Right at this moment, and for people who dont mind spending the extra, Clarkdale might well be the best HTPC option.

That's probably all going to change in 2 months with the release of the 890gx, at least I'd be pretty amazed if AMD didn't make a very large leap forward considering the 3300 is almost 18 months old now.
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You probably know that most of their stuff of recent days uses 4200; and I don't know when, but something 5200 is coming too.


but the darkfail thing

I see bananatek proclaims it for htpc - they have a history of disrespecting amdATI's igp. not surprising they would make this clarkfail rag into something it isn't - and I see that audiophiles should now become spintel fanatics too - anyone interested in genuine sound or grafx would simply laugh at spintel - audiophile is not spelled "cheap junk".

and people supporting bandanaspamtek with mouseclicks so spintel pays them more - it's endless.

thx to spintel for realeasing genuine junk - I think they are trying to look like a lame pussycat so FTC will be nice to them.
 
I'm going to take a guess and say that intel is wanting to play on the whole i7/i5 craze that us enthusiasts and more importantly the tech mags/sites were praising over AMD, look at the SBM, or any other site that publishes a set of relatively standard components that is deemed as "Uber" or "enthusiast" uses i7-920 parts because they are good performer for their price tier and with us in the loop constantly chattering about it to our friends or colleagues, the word has spread, that the intel i-something (or hell from apple i-something to intel i-something) is the top of the line and an i3 or i5-661 would just be somewhat less and would trump AMD in every possible way. People are starting to notice AMD, just that their image don't lie in the "i want to have that thing now because it's uber and would make me look competent with my techy co-workers" but more as a value player, and because of that intel is taking advantage of the situation and gauging the market for it for making uninformed decisions, which most do.


 


i3 is fine for 1080p. The only difference in any of the Clarkdales with respect to video/audio is on the Pentium branded versions.

2. CPU useage seems pointless with a limited GPU, how about GPU useage charts.
CPU useage would be nice to have spare in case your virus scan kicked in.

3. Most importantly, how often is a frame dropped during playback, or in other words what is the actual framerate during playback, source to output.

Testing and posting results by only using the best solution leaves an ill taste for whether or not the cheap solutions are viable.
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That was the only chip babgvant had access to during his review. The video solution for the other models is identical.

Gaming, on the other hand, is affected by the higher clocks on the i5-661's GPU.
 
well, it is a possibility, looking at how they are definitely grouping CPUs with completely different base capability (PLEASE do not say that a duo with HT = a quad, or I may send err, chipmunks, yes chipmunks, after you) with the same basic name of I5

in the past the really crappy stuff gets a unique name (celeron, I know they still exist, but there is no 1156 parts out yet with the name), and now, its called the I3 and seen not as the crappy part but as a little brother that is not exactly cheap
 
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