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I was thinking along those lines recently holylancer (pc console).

Think about it...why the hell isn't AMD already making their own console anyway? It's not like they aren't providing the parts for everybody else is it?

100m or so Wii's sold, all with ATI graphics, yet AMD still couldn't make a profit until now.

AMD + ATI could make the mother of all consoles. Would it be the end of pc gaming? Yes it probably would, but at least consoles would be seriously moved ahead graphically. Maybe we'd get to keep the box and upgrade the graphics chip every year or two.

PC gaming is dying, in fact desktops are dying out and things look bad for AMD long term. This could be their next avenue.
 


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I must admit I didn't know the Clarkdale IGP was capable of bitstreaming high def audio.

No offence meant archi but that is pretty much the one real benefit I can see for Clarkdale over anything else. I don't think anybody is saying it's really bad per-se, it's just the pricing is really whacked and dual cores are pretty much dead.

For HTPC? Sure it's a reasonable option but I don't think it's better than anything else, considering the price.
 
You can't possibly offend me about CPUs. :) None taken.

For me, personally, Clarkdale is the perfect HTPC solution-- and I say this as someone who has purchased the competition's chipsets over Intel when they suited my needs better.

Obviously, if you have different needs in featureset, price, and performance per watt, go with what suits you.
 
You may well be correct in a way. Right at this moment, and for people who dont mind spending the extra, Clarkdale might well be the best HTPC option.

That's probably all going to change in 2 months with the release of the 890gx, at least I'd be pretty amazed if AMD didn't make a very large leap forward considering the 3300 is almost 18 months old now.
 
I was thinking along those lines recently holylancer (pc console).

Think about it...why the hell isn't AMD already making their own console anyway? It's not like they aren't providing the parts for everybody else is it?

100m or so Wii's sold, all with ATI graphics, yet AMD still couldn't make a profit until now.

AMD + ATI could make the mother of all consoles. Would it be the end of pc gaming? Yes it probably would, but at least consoles would be seriously moved ahead graphically. Maybe we'd get to keep the box and upgrade the graphics chip every year or two.

PC gaming is dying, in fact desktops are dying out and things look bad for AMD long term. This could be their next avenue.
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Lets see.....why doesn't Amd make consoles...hmmm probably because making consoles has always been unprofitable from a hardware perspective. You guys do know that Sony and Microsoft lose money on every console they sell right?
 
Clarkdale is perfect for something better then HTPC and a lot more profitable as well. Business PCs is where OEMs will concentrate their focus on with Clarkdale. People here are making a big deal about the prices but lets remember that for OEMs the cost for the complete package will be less due to higher integration from intel and less cost structure for motherboards PSU etc... People can hate all they want but this is going to be a profit maker.
 

They'd make money by taxing every game that is sold. You don't sell products for years if you know it's going to end up a net loss.
 
You said that without any research.

Yes Microsoft lose money on the console initially, for the first few years. After X amount of time they start making a profit, i.e. last year Microsoft announced that the 360 is making profit on every purchase now. Also its an investment they are willing to lose money on the console for a few years because they know that they make the money back. Plus they made additional profit on the accessories i.e. Bluetooth headset, control pad, online access etc which balances the books until the console becomes more profitable over the years. So in actual fact they never lose money, if a company was losing money they would shut up shop.

Also, they make billions in the publishing of games, so they could probably give the console away for free if they really wanted to and still make a good annual turn over.
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So Amd can afford to lose money for a few years on game consoles? And let's not forget that they have to contend with an already established market. And speaking of doing research....where are those billions that you are talking about? Amd will publish games too? Why not just start with making money on their core business model first.
 
Did you even read what I said? I never implied that AMD could lose money on a games console and survive. I said that other console developers i.e. Microsoft with their Xbox 360 accept less profit on their console initially. I never said it was a formula that ATI could repeat.

Also even if ATI did make a console, they "should" be able to get enough royalties from the game publishers that are making games on it, once you factor in the accessories, internet access, magazines, merchandise etc they shouldn’t operate at a loss regardless of whether the console sells or not.
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They shouldn't....lose any money selling consoles and they should be able to make money on royalties. Hmmm I wonder why they haven't jumped all over this then. Quick send Dirk an email and tell him to get working on this right away.
 
I was pointing out his wider usage of the term PC, which is where he steps in it IMO.
He gushed over this without considering what he was ultimately saying, and thats where people point out his sometines too high enthusiasm, which is generally observed in his Intel comments.
Other than that, I agree, I think its good for HTPC, tho pricey.
My brain isnt working so great right now, but PnP is something ATI has, but isnt implemented for some reason, if I recollect, need to look it up, not sure about nVidia
 

Funny you say that, since many of the reviews say its an undue expense for business, and better to use the IGP. Look en up, its there
They talk about using the IGP, not letting it go to waste.
These wont hit the mainstream businesses for quite awhile anyways, and by then, Im sure the OEMs will have eliminated the PCI slots. Good thing you can gett a quad for less monies with more perf and more features.
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Yes, businesses like large corps 50k and up with employees sitting in cubicles as well as gov agencies and schools etc. will buy these PCs with IGP in masses. On top of that IMO it will be cheaper for the OEMs to manufacture since the BOM is now more integrated. No need for discreet graphics of course and with everyone going green an even better selling point. BTW, why do believe that it will be awhile before these PCs hit the market. One last thing, in the business market (cubicle zombies) I'm referring to, performance comes second to reliability and cost to maintain.
 


Yes, I'm actually working right now. :) I actually have posted here during meetings. It probably looked like I was taking really good notes. :lol:
 
LOL well meeting aside, I meant that businesses and their buying frequenies arent that fast for take up, as you said, realiability first. Not usre of the health of most businesses PCs, but as theyve said W7 wont get picked up for awhile, Im thinking itll have a slow business take up, not elsewheres, and especially the HTPC market
 
Put this way, Im a lil excited to see this, somewhat disappointed, and the price perf on cpu isnt there, but still good to see 32nm, better IGP, and on chip, forwards looking, just need better pricing and perf
 


Any chance of you actually learning something one day Upendra?

Anyway, qurious/notty/purefail...so much wrong with everything you say I'm finding it hard to figure out where to start with your terribad logic.

Nintendo have been around for ages, Sony making PS for god knows how long too, Moneysoft get in the action - if anything was an indication of profitability then that should have set off a few alarm bells.

ATI have a big part to play in all these consoles. The big difference for ATI - if they ever entered the console market on a system base - is that they would ensure the best graphics for themselves, and the best compatibility, the best patching...pretty much everything that would ensure their console was #1.

Some of you could do with waking up to the reality that ATI are world #1 in everything graphics, and are basically in total control of the market while Nvidia loses more of the plot every passing quarter it seems.
 
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