Are Intel joking re: i3 pricing?

[Guest]

you either don't understand, don't want to, or pretend not to.

and you seem to not be following the well known public information on this - or you don't want to

if you read the info, you would know better than to say this

that's simple

I agree 100%. Jimmysmitty isn't stupid but he can pretend to be when it suits him. He also knows that 5ghz dual cores will get destroyed by 4ghz quad cores in just about any real app.

I understand why you might think he's shill based on this behaviour, and I've noted it from him in the past.

 

[Guest]

Ok just a quick question (didn't want to start a new thread b/c its about integrated graphics so its slightly on topic)- Im building a cheap $400 PC for a relative as a gift, and was wondering how the IGP on the 785G performs.

Also +1 to AMW- Tbh you are one of the most unbiased posters here.

The 785G igp (4200) is about as fast as the Clarkdale i5 661 (the best clarkdale igp). However it has other features that make it a lot better actually, and it doesn't have any of the weird driver bugs the Clarkdale has. That is assuming they are driver bugs and not something else.

I should add that the Clarkdale igp can borrow cpu performance when called upon. Though that's a nice trick, it also shows how inferior the actual igp is and how it could cause issues in some games.

The real truth is, you are still probably better off buying an ultra cheap ati discrete card, or at least wait 2 months for the 890gx, which will give the same performance as a bottom end discrete gpu.

If it's not for gaming? The 4200 will handle anything non-gaming better than most other igp's.

 

[notty22]

We have all seen the hypocritical behavior from the bannesident of the AT-Iknow italls.
They talk of energy efficient and low power consumption when slapping each other on the back about the 5 series gpu's. But when presented a breakthrough cpu/gpu single chip solution surely to dominate the corporate world from now forward they revert back to "how does energy efficient make my video game better ?" and conspiracy talk.

 

[AMW1011]

No.

http://en.inpai.com.cn/doc/enshowcont.asp?id=7475

Here we see the Athlon II 620 at 2.6ghz basically destroying the i3 630 at 2.93ghz. Sure the i3 wins by a tiny margin in a couple of synthetics and the gaming is shared, but it is pretty obvious that the Athlon II X4 is hugely superior all round.

So you can add 2ghz to the i3, making almost 5ghz. Now add 1ghz to the 620 making 3.6ghz but double the cores. Now consider that as you get further from the base core speed, diminishing returns give less performance.

No reason to believe that the i3 will ever get close to the Athlon II. Some of those results are just plain embarrassing. Just look at them - the i3 'wins' synthetics again (what a shock) but gets a real thumping in real apps. Sure it can hold it's own in gaming, but since when was the X4 620 considered a gaming chip?

The evidence just keeps on mounting against Clarkfail. Itanium could be looking good soon because of this.

The X4 620 is considered a gaming chip when its run at 3.6-4.0 GHz. 😀

Ok just a quick question (didn't want to start a new thread b/c its about integrated graphics so its slightly on topic)- Im building a cheap $400 PC for a relative as a gift, and was wondering how the IGP on the 785G performs.

Also +1 to AMW- Tbh you are one of the most unbiased posters here.

😉

The 4200 is basically the same as the 3200 with slightly higher clocks I believe. The 4200 does great and should play non intensive games at low just fine.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

"We have all seen the hypocritical behavior from the bannesident of the AT-Iknow italls.
They talk of energy efficient and low power consumption when slapping each other on the back about the 5 series gpu's. But when presented a breakthrough cpu/gpu single chip solution surely to dominate the corporate world from now forward they revert back to "how does energy efficient make my video game better ?" and conspiracy talk. "

For most here, a better IGP was not needed, desired, helps, makes sense or anything else, despite the fact I agree somewhat with you

 

[sighQ2]

That might have something to do with it having half the cores...

You can't really compare AMD's dualcores vs Intel's because that is unfair to Intel, AMD can come very close to i3 with a $50 CPU...

Enlighten me. How would what be "unfair to Intel". Please explain.

Enlighten me. How would being unfair to a company that is globally known for not playing fair, be something we cannot do.

Enlighten me - when were YOU appointed as chief censor, referee, judge, etc. Please explain when that happened and how you qualified. And out of all the totally idiotic posts, how do you come to focus on me?

And since I have your attention, please illustrate what purpose you have other than general control of the world as we know it. Even the moderators don't talk like that. What's your schtik?

Perhaps I fail to recognize your self-importance; or perhaps that's what I do recognize. I reserve my personal assessment pending your answer. Please explain, if you can.

 

[AMW1011]

We have all seen the hypocritical behavior from the bannesident of the AT-Iknow italls.
They talk of energy efficient and low power consumption when slapping each other on the back about the 5 series gpu's. But when presented a breakthrough cpu/gpu single chip solution surely to dominate the corporate world from now forward they revert back to "how does energy efficient make my video game better ?" and conspiracy talk.

That is because the 5 series brought about a record-breakingly low idle power consumption for GPUs. Clarkdale is nothing new in the CPU world and is quite disappointing for 32nm.

How is this a breakthrough? The idea is there, a CPU + IGP on one Chip with the IGP having the ability to borrow CPU power directly, that is awesome. Having this same chip cut into half a dozen overpriced processors that are beaten in both CPU and IGP power for less by the competition, isn't a breakthrough and it does not ensure it's dominance over the corporate world... more of the opposite actually.

 

[AMW1011]

Enlighten me. How would what be "unfair to Intel". Please explain.

Enlighten me. How would being unfair to a company that is globally known for not playing fair, be something we cannot do.

Enlighten me - when were YOU appointed as chief censor, referee, judge, etc. Please explain when that happened and how you qualified. And out of all the totally idiotic posts, how do you come to focus on me?

And since I have your attention, please illustrate what purpose you have other than general control of the world as we know it. Even the moderators don't talk like that. What's your schtik?

Perhaps I fail to recognize your self-importance; or perhaps that's what I do recognize. I reserve my personal assessment pending your answer. Please explain, if you can.

LOL


I was making a joke against Intel's clarkdale and since you fanatically hate Intel, shouldn't you enjoy that?

Seriously /facepalm

 

[sighQ2]

No jimmysmitty said that the i3 was superior to the Athlon II X4 620 because it used half the power.

THG had a test showing it was near half TDP as a AMD quad at full load.

You mix up TDP and Pow Consumed - the TDP hides the other due to the infamous uncore sucking on the power supply.

People don't want to know the real power consump. or the real TDP - another much debated topic at another website dedicated to revealing truth.

Are you the teacher now too? clever.

 

[yannifb]

Thanks to AMW and Jenny 'bout the 785g. And that was an interesting point about the 8xx series of AM3 mobos coming out this year. Now those, along with their integrated graphics, should give clarkdale some trouble.

 

[AMW1011]

Thanks to AMW and Jenny 'bout the 785g. And that was an interesting point about the 8xx series of AM3 mobos coming out this year. Now those, along with their integrated graphics, should give clarkdale some trouble.

Yeah I had no idea that the 8xx chipset had better integrated graphics, an HD 5200 with DX11 and the power of a low end discrete GPU is awesome!

 

[sighQ2]

This is a good summary, clarkdale is wolfdale all over again, just 2 years too late.

I didn't even think of it, but Jenny is correct, idle power is really all that matters in a desktop environment and Intel's horrible IGP ruins that.

But can you include the uncore in this discussion. This is common with all icores - power consumed, TDP, just not accurately represented. AMD wants a new standard = but that gets flamed out also, huh.


and tell jimi to tell his mommy that sigh somehow won't believe all the spintel propaganda.

and you can denounce me publicly to soothe his bent feelings too.

thx

 

[sighQ2]

Besides, the new AMD boards are just around the corner, with better perf and power and features, so thatll soon change all this anyways.
Point is, what average Joe sees for a given price, if he sees quad, for same/less, he will jump on it

There are also new Stepping C3 DUALS AND TRIPLES Phenom II's coming - and this has something to do with the price adjustments - which I don't know; but the current ones are going to fade out and become C3's. It's possible the model #720 will be preserved, and a 730 intro'd too. or like that.

 

[Guest]

We have all seen the hypocritical behavior from the bannesident of the AT-Iknow italls.
They talk of energy efficient and low power consumption when slapping each other on the back about the 5 series gpu's. But when presented a breakthrough cpu/gpu single chip solution surely to dominate the corporate world from now forward they revert back to "how does energy efficient make my video game better ?" and conspiracy talk.

Why do we even need a slightly better on-die igp anyway? Isn't the whole point of intels igp's that they are 'good enough' and 'designed to do what the need to do'?

At least that has been the cry up till now. It's amazing how crap can be dressed up as something worthwhile, especially when it's intel who made it.

 

[AMW1011]

Why do we even need a slightly better on-die igp anyway? Isn't the whole point of intels igp's that they are 'good enough' and 'designed to do what the need to do'?

At least that has been the cry up till now. It's amazing how crap can be dressed up as something worthwhile, especially when it's intel who made it.

I think his point is that Intel did accomplish something, they got a CPU and an IGP in the same chip, but it doesn't deliver anything new and is overpriced. It is an accomplishment, in theory, but in practice it just doesn't have a place in the world.

The thing is, AMD is trying to do this too with Fusion. However, AMD is trying to make Fusion a low end gaming option, not a traditional IGP.

It is nice that this happened and clarkdale is truly a technological breakthrough, but as a product it is the utmost failure, there is no demand for it, it does not outperform the competition, it is not cost effective, and it does not change the market.

 

[sighQ2]

Your not serious...

Your telling me that it makes $120 tri core CPUs with unlocked multipliers, $100 quads with slightly decreased cache, or $140 quads with all the bells and whistles irrelevant?!

Your nuts.

In reality, the i5 750 is an enthusiast chip that is overpriced and has a bad price/performance ratio, that happens to be slightly better than the Phenom II X4 965/955.

The truth is that after you look at anything higher than the Phenom II X4 925 then you are paying too much and are getting diminishing returns, unless you are a real enthusiast.

I own an i5 750 and I accept that, I paid the premium for the SLI+CFX feature, as well as the extra performance that I will never use.

The Athlon II X2 250, Athlon II X4 620, Phenom II X3 720, and the Phenom II X4 925 make everything irrelevant 95%+ of the time.

And what is the logic in paying "premium" for slightly better; and perf you will never use. I you will never use it, then a Triple Core might serve your needs adequately. So is it just your undying love for spintel; or was it given to you for services rendered in teaching and censoring, etc. here.

Great adverising in prolonging this this discussion over a lame cheap shot imitation of AMD's fusion. Perhaps spintel wants to demo that it has been damaged by truth. But if you think about it, that's the whole idea, isn't it?
Truth hurts, they say. Didn't someone say that? Or was that censored out.

 

[Guest]

There are also new Stepping C3 DUALS AND TRIPLES Phenom II's coming - and this has something to do with the price adjustments - which I don't know; but the current ones are going to fade out and become C3's. It's possible the model #720 will be preserved, and a 730 intro'd too. or like that.

I think there is a faster X3 in the wings, though I do feel that AMD are moving towards the Athlon II's in preference to the Phenom II X3's.

It almost certainly has to do with yields. AMD will be close to 100% yield on Phenom II's now, that's 4 working cores and fully working cache. At that stage it makes sense to lower the prices and really make those intel dual cores look like the stupidly overpriced cpu's they are.

 

[Guest]

One thing is sure, it has been a long, long time since an intel cpu looked like such a terrible failure.

Clarkdale is it. Had AMD not made the so-called 'triple cripple' or X4 620, these Clarkdales would probably look mediocre. Now they just look terrible. Really these cpu's are a bad joke.

 

[AMW1011]

Alright sighQ2 is really starting to piss me off. He keeps taking different posts, misinterpreting them, and arguing back with his baseless and ridiculous accusations and conspiracies.

I understand fighting for your family, fighting to help cure diseases, fighting corrupt governments, fighting dictators and genocidal ass holes. I understand fighting for civil rights, I understand fighting for humanity and equality, and I understand fighting to save the earth and all its inhabitants.

But if you fight a f&%king computer processor company than your a waste of sperm and egg.

 

[AMW1011]

One thing is sure, it has been a long, long time since an intel cpu looked like such a terrible failure.

Clarkdale is it. Had AMD not made the so-called 'triple cripple' or X4 620, these Clarkdales would probably look mediocre. Now they just look terrible. Really these cpu's are a bad joke.

Yeah I'm not sure what Intel was trying to pull with this one. They do only one thing, make me hopeful for some 32nm quad goodness.

 

[sighQ2]

He is aggravating EVERYONE with his constant spouting of nonsense.

He needs to realize his pathetic attempt to apear intelligent makes him sound like a damn fool.

Perhaps a brilliant individual such as yourself could take something out of context and use it proof your lame insults.

Any number of your posts could be used to prove that point. But you really like to be disturbed, do you? You usually just do it to others. Truth is difficult for people who play your game. Perhaps you would prefer I be complacent?

 

[AMW1011]

Perhaps a brilliant individual such as yourself could take something out of context and use it proof your lame insults.

Any number of your posts could be used to prove that point. But you really like to be disturbed, do you? You usually just do it to others. Truth is difficult for people who play your game. Perhaps you would prefer I be complacent?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

You seriously just speak nonsense.

Intel is a corrupt monopolistic corporation, no s**t now move on.

 

[yannifb]

You know whats starting to intrigue me more and more? The actual AMD Fusion APU. Its a completely different approach than Intels on die gpu, with fusion the cpu is the gpu. My guess is that the bench's for whatever that Fusion APU is going to be called will be strange, since instead of having 50-100 GFLOPS like normal CPUs its going to have 500 GFLOPS to a Tera Flop. Its a strange thought 😱

EDIT: Also Sighq2 you need to calm down, AMW wasn't attacking you, you definitely misread some of the posts.

 

[Guest]

Alright sighQ2 is really starting to piss me off. He keeps taking different posts, misinterpreting them, and arguing back with his baseless and ridiculous accusations and conspiracies.

I understand fighting for your family, fighting to help cure diseases, fighting corrupt governments, fighting dictators and genocidal ass holes. I understand fighting for civil rights, I understand fighting for humanity and equality, and I understand fighting to save the earth and all its inhabitants.

But if you fight a f&%king computer processor company than your a waste of sperm and egg.

Sigh is basically a more conspiracy based version of myself. I've seen a lot of this around, and AMDZone has more than it's fair share.

On the other hand, I find it difficult to disagree with most of what he says. I just don't say it. Why? Because it makes me look like a wacko to a lot of people here.

I lose my temper frequently but I would need to be Mother Theresa not to lose my temper here on THG.

There is a massive intel bias on THG and other sites. For all the slagging AMDZone gets from people here, they don't even realise that THG is basically IntelZone. That is how a lot of mainstream sites see THG btw, and right or wrong I don't see THG doing much to change that perception.

Note I'm not having a go at the THG mods. Random is an awesome mod even with a small intel bias. There is something corrupt with the owners of THG however. There simply is no doubt that intel have their fingers in this pie at some level.

 

[AMW1011]

You know whats starting to intrigue me more and more? The actual AMD Fusion APU. Its a completely different approach than Intels on die gpu, with fusion the cpu is the gpu. My guess is that the bench's for whatever that Fusion APU is going to be called will be strange, since instead of having 50-100 GFLOPS like normal CPUs its going to have 500 GFLOPS to a Tera Flop. Its a strange thought 😱

I agree its exciting and scary at the same time!