Are Intel joking re: i3 pricing?

[Guest]

Mmmmm, I think the Clarkdale is great for HTPC's. Just my take.

You should give reasons for why you believe that too.

 

[Guest]

I can live with that. :lol:

That's fine. The problems arise when people try to dress it up as something it isn't Psycho.

 

[mindless728]

Yes, well we all say that but there's a difference between openly stating preferences and having subconscious preferences that you wouldn't admit exist because you probably don't notice them. They are often minor.

Consciously, I buy whatever is going to give me the best bang-for-buck for my uses. I ignore lawsuits and monopolistic actions because until something changes one part is still going to be faster than another in certain tasks, even if it's due to "cheating," and I'm interested in performance, not politics.

probably there, but it doesn't get in the way of giving advice on builds/parts

and i agree on the performance idea, who cares what happened it is about what you get for the money, though since my budgets are usually ~$900 and lower it usually ends up being an AMD build, the current computer on my list is one i built in Feb, everyone though i was nuts for getting 8GB of ram, now it has doubled in price and i used it for one of my CS projects (infinitely recursive maze)

 

[AMW1011]

That's fine. The problems arise when people try to dress it up as something it isn't Psycho.

I totally agree with this statement and I've said it a few times, is buying an i3 the end of the world? No, AMD's offerings are only slightly better in the end and if your want to have fun overclocking then clarkdale is the chip for you, nothing wrong with that. The problem arises in that the market for that mentality is very tiny.

 

[AMW1011]

Mmmmm, I think the Clarkdale is great for HTPC's. Just my take.

It would work well for that yes, but it isn't the best solution for that since there are other solutions that are cheaper and slightly faster. Will that difference be hugely noticeable? Likely not, no, but it is there and you have to take that into account.

 

[sighQ2]

I definitely disagree that THGF is Intel biased, I think it is more like a battle field between Intel biased people and AMD biased people with a few unbiased people trying to sort out the mess. Look at this thread, you have the majority saying clarkdale sucks. Then you have a few defending it. And you also have a few bashing ALL Intel products. The truth is always in between, I promise.

Yes SighQ2 is right, Intel is a corrupt monopoly, but that doesn't mean people should get AMD CPUs even if an Intel CPU fits there needs better.

Also SighQ2 is mostly annoying because he is posting countless posts that have nothing to do with the thread or blatantly misunderstands what is said and likes to insult and go all fanatical on the people that share his opinion and the one who oppose it alike.

<<< Yes SighQ2 is right, Intel is a corrupt monopoly, but that doesn't mean people should get AMD CPUs even if an Intel CPU fits there needs better.>>>

thx for this example - not to mention the minor concession = I knew it was too good to be true.

and sure enough - this is what I call the placation tactic - altho in this case, an especially smooth delivery - my compliments.

this line
"but that doesn't mean people should get AMD CPUs even if an Intel CPU fits there needs better"

EVEN IF spintel is always the greatest

You people don't get it - the differences are insignificant. The world runs on GRAPHICS, not cpu's - not anymore, kiddeez.

This FACT is a major part of the FTC suit. I even linked you to it and QUOTED it - you don't want to know.

Spintel is desparate for grafx; so this chips pretends to be o so cool cos it's got lame gpu attached with crazy glue.

Performance is about the GPU you buy - the rest of the processing is about background stuff that the CPU will handle. This is not a foreign concept.

So the quoted line above merely overstates a lie, and slams AMD in the process.

Bottom line a 965 PhenomII and any other cpu for all intents and purposes, perhaps including the clarkfail, is going to happily handle what the GPU doesn't

We no longer require the services of spintel and it's cast of antitrust stars.

What part of this do you not understand? Is the part that says we do not need to support crime????

thx for understanding. that wasn't too difficult was it?



(and now I fully expect a parade of thg certified insults).

 

[qurious69ss]

Seems like a few people in here have no clue what they're talking about. First you have to understand what Clarkdale is aimed for....BUSINESS DESKTOPS. Not sure how many of you realize that businesses and gov agencies are one of the largest consumers of PCs. Small form factor PCs that have IGP and are sold in bulk by OEMs. Intel knows that business buy in cycles and that Clarkdale will be there for the next cycle. The OEMs will snatch these up and guess what the cost to them will actually go down since the BOM has less chips. Amazing huh!

 

[yannifb]

When I build for people, I always go AMD if the budget is $900 and lower as well. However I'm building a $1300 AMD pc for a friend who strictly only uses it for gaming and internet/normal use. I figured that i'd save him a few bucks since he wanted a 5870 as a GPU and won't ever use an i5/i7 where they shine. He's not going to notice a difference compared to an i7, and he said he wants to be sure I can replace the CPU with a newer one for him in the future. I chose AM3 socket for him just b/c it has confirmed support for Bulldozer (future upgrade)

Note: If you look at AMD's roadmap Bulldozer says its for AM3r2, like the Phenom II chips were for the older AM2 mobos, a firmware update is probably what will be required.

 

[mindless728]

You people don't get it - the differences are insignificant. The world runs on GRAPHICS, not cpu's - not anymore, kiddeez.

i wouldn't be so sure of this btw, there are not many applications that use gpu's, and only algorithms that can be turned highly parallel would be worth it to port to GPU, ie they lose a lot of performance pre core pre clock on general programming especially with heavy amounts of branching

 

[BadTrip]

I am the first to admit that I am biased towards Intel. Every AMD cpu I have owned has been a disapointment. Mostly due to the motherboard. Intel chipsets are rock solid.

I am not against AMD, just the forum idots that try to press there church of AMD on noobs who dont know any better.

 

[qurious69ss]

Yeah if the world runs on GRAPHICS then I have all bases covered with my PS3 and xbox 360.

 

[randomizer]

sighQ2, from where I'm sitting your posts seem to be tailored towards gaming alot. Not everyone games (although the majority in this forum asking for help generally do). Not everyone even needs a discrete graphics card. If I was just into gaming I wouldn't need a power hog of a CPU to do it. But I also do rendering, and the more CPU power I throw at it the better. Larrabee would be awesome for my work but completely useless for most people. I think Core i7 is slow for rendering to be honest and moving to the GPU is a good idea. I'm eagerly awaiting Jan 31st though because then I'll be able to ray trace at several frames per second, not several minutes/hours per frame 😀 (CUDA version of mental ray should be out then).

 

[qurious69ss]

sighQ2, from where I'm sitting your posts seem to be tailored towards gaming alot. Not everyone games (although the majority in this forum asking for help generally do). Not everyone even needs a discrete graphics card. If I was just into gaming I wouldn't need a power hog of a CPU to do it. But I also do rendering, and the more CPU power I throw at it the better. Larrabee would be awesome for my work but completely useless for most people.

I think it's more of a "talking point" for him. Sort of what the politician and talking heads do on TV when they want to get their spin on an issue, except that his talking point comes from the amdzone where they like to make it sound like graphics now are the most important decision to make when buying a computer even if it's for business. It's a popular spin for them.

 

[AMW1011]

I am the first to admit that I am biased towards Intel. Every AMD cpu I have owned has been a disapointment. Mostly due to the motherboard. Intel chipsets are rock solid.

I am not against AMD, just the forum idots that try to press there church of AMD on noobs who dont know any better.

There is merit here, though AMD chipsets have gotten a lot better in recent years.

I'll admit that I wont touch another nVidia chipset even with a 1,000 ft. poll.

 

[randomizer]

It's AMD's south bridge chipsets I can't stand. SB600 was a joke.

 

[AMW1011]

<<< Yes SighQ2 is right, Intel is a corrupt monopoly, but that doesn't mean people should get AMD CPUs even if an Intel CPU fits there needs better.>>>

thx for this example - not to mention the minor concession = I knew it was too good to be true.

and sure enough - this is what I call the placation tactic - altho in this case, an especially smooth delivery - my compliments.

this line
"but that doesn't mean people should get AMD CPUs even if an Intel CPU fits there needs better"

EVEN IF spintel is always the greatest

You people don't get it - the differences are insignificant. The world runs on GRAPHICS, not cpu's - not anymore, kiddeez.

You don't get it, your calling me an Intel fanboy when I only recommend Intel when someone's budget is well over $1000 or they do certain professional tasks where the differences are not insignificant.

Your arguing against the wrong person, don't you get that?

The last time I was called an Intel fanboy was over at AMDzone, my first time ever looking reading or posting there, and I asked for advice because my friend and I could not get his Phenom X4 9850 over 2.9 GHz on an SB750 board. They called me an intel troll and that I was trying to lead people to believe that Phenom X4 9850s could not go over 2.9 GHz even though I said that I've never heard of one not hitting 3.0 GHz with an SB750 motherboard.

 

[qurious69ss]

Yes, and as well a know for a business the most important thing is stability. When an OEM sells a thousand PCs to a business it also comes with a service contract. To an OEM and to the business it is more important that the PC works then it has pretty graphics.

 

[AMW1011]

It's AMD's south bridge chipsets I can't stand. SB600 was a joke.

Really? I used one motherboard with SB600 for my cousin. I plugged an Athlon X2 5000+ BE into it and clocked it to 3.0 GHz and it purred pretty nicely.

Edit: It was actually an nVidia board now that I think of it, the old 6100 IGP.

 

[BadTrip]

Jenny you and sigh can continue to bring my name up in the majority of your posts. I could care less what either of you have to say about me, but to set the record straight I havent really commented on the i3 since its release other than the fact that new tech always costs more at release.

 

[randomizer]

Really? I used one motherboard with SB600 for my cousin. I plugged an Athlon X2 5000+ BE into it and clocked it to 3.0 GHz and it purred pretty nicely.

Plug in a SATA optical drive and your boot time doubles.

Actually, that's my only beef with it. I built the PC for my grandfather so I've not used it since. He hasn't had problems with it so I assume it's still running solid. I've not used any AMD chipsets myself, at least not to my knowledge. 2 Intel chipsets, one NVIDIA and two VIA is all I can remember. KT133 FTW

 

[Mousemonkey]

I'll admit that I wont touch another nVidia chipset even with a 1,000 ft. poll.

:lol: They seem to have that effect on some people, I must be real lucky then as I've never had a problem with the ones I've used.

 

[BadTrip]

Plug in a SATA optical drive and your boot time doubles.

Actually, that's my only beef with it. I built the PC for my grandfather so I've not used it since. He hasn't had problems with it so I assume it's still running solid. I've not used any AMD chipsets myself, at least not to my knowledge. 2 Intel chipsets, one NVIDIA and two VIA is all I can remember. KT133 FTW

KT133 FTL!!!!

Worst chipset I have ever owned. Couldnt overclock my thunderbird 75 mhz.

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

I am finding a lot of the comments on this thread a tad funny.

I don't think I've seen it mentioned (having read the whole thread) but has anyone factored the fact that these CPUs have an IGP on die?

They cost more because they come with an Integrated Graphics Accelerator.

Not my cup of tea but a reasonable explanation it is (rather than all of the conspiracy theories regarding Intel and AMD and better value bullshit).

 

[randomizer]

KT133 FTL!!!!

Worst chipset I have ever owned. Couldnt overclock my thunderbird 75 mhz.

You're a fail overclocker My 800MHz T-bird made 958MHz Ok.... so I upped the multi to 9.5x... 😀

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

He's still thinking about it.

I nominate this for post of the week.

haha - or maybe the MOST HELPFUL POST award.


but:
If we had more unbiased, reliable review sites; similar statements could be said for the PII's as well.
- but they insist on crippling them so spintel can look good and justify hundreds more for SAME PERFORMING SYSTEMS.

And then the spintel boys recommend AMD GRAFX CARDS so that the cpu performance is hidden, and it barely matters.
And yet people insist on spending hundreds more (cpu, mobo, hsf, triple ram) cos they think games are still cpu driven - like in the days of 486 cpu's.
And meanwhile it's Phenom that gets described as "smooth".
And also, the AMD platform approach is disregarded.

The spintel bs is so thick. It's getting funnier.

Wow... so like is Intel being led by a race of reptilian war lords hell bent on the domination of Planet earth?

I understand that this is not what you're saying but your post is just as ignorant/willfully ignorant.

You sir (or madame) have got to be the new recipient for the JennyH award. It is awarded to anyone who can beat AMDZone or match AMDZone in pure BS.. and you sir/madame are today's winner.