Are Intel joking re: i3 pricing?

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So the i3 only has half the cores, but hey they have the awesome SMT right so 4 cores 4 thread vs 2 cores 4 threads.

And the clock speed is 0.33ghz more on the i3.

And the i3 has almost double the amount of cache.

And the i3 is based on a superior 32nm process.


Why is the number of cores being used as an excuse when the i3 has all of those advantages?

None of it matters, all that matters is that the AMD makes much better use of the 300 million or so transistors each has. No gimmicky SMT, just real cores. No huge amount of cache that only barely delivers in games - but even at that they are still about even because more *real* cores still clearly count.

What was their respective prices?

$99 Athlon

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103706&cm_re=x4_athlon-_-19-103-706-_-Product

$125 i3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115222&Tpk=i3%20530

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This is so one sided it's almost embarrassing, and I havent even started on the platform cost. Seriously AMD should raise prices on the X4 to about $150 or so, make this a fair competition. All it would take for intel to lose billions would be a mass outbreak of common sense and waking up by the general population. That is how shaky a peg their jackets are on. If people just woke up and smelled the coffee intel would go bankrupt in a matter of weeks because nobody with a brain would want anything to do with Clarkdale.
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ok do you not get it? 2 is more than 3 you see the number system here in our normal world goes like this say it with me: 1..... 2....... 3 so you see three comes after 2 which makes it a bigger number

as for SMT and hyperthreading it isn't as good as the real thing, here's a scenario: there's this chef he is making a pizza so he has to make the dough and add vegetables and make the sauce so here he is cutting the vegetables and making the sauceso he's cutting the vegetables and the sauce starts to boil so he stirs it and adds some spices in total to finish the sauce and cut the vegetables it took him a half hour

then you have two chefs cooking the same pizza so they have one guy cutting and the other stirring and adding spices. so in total the whole thing took 15 minutes.

half the time

so ok you can compare the propus and say it is better but what about the Regors, you do know what those are right? after all you are an AMD fangirl, the regor is an Athlon II dual core processor it cam out last January and guess what it is an AMD processor and it is a dual core just like the i3 i wonder what the results are between these two processors? hmm....

you tell me jenny



hey did you know that the propus has 4 cores and do you know the number system? you see it goes like this

1..... 2.... 3..... 4..... 5... and so on and you see, 4 comes after 2 and it is twice as much as 4 so you see it it is 2 times better. you know like 4 pieces of cake is better than two.

by your logic and jenny's that means the intel i7 is better than the Phenom II x6



ok you obviously don't know math either why would you buy a dual core for 100 USD when you can have a better quad core for the same price? i wonder which processor has more value per core?

let's see here 100/4 equals 25 USD per core

and 100/2 is 50 USD per core and then yo factor in cache and multithreaded performance and.......woah the quad core is a better price for a 100 dollars than he dual core, it's a miracle





I agree it is really annoying how he says people are paid by intel cuz we say they are better in one instance




hey shut up your an spamd paid loser now go away




you say he shouldn't say stay tuned for more why not?

you know what i say? you shouldn't say spintel

why don't you take some of your own suggestions you spamd paid troll


Edit i quoted AMW instead of Notty
 
It's fine to be pro AMD and pro intel but that doesn't mean you can lie and cheat or just plain refuse to accept some simple facts.

There are plenty of AMD supporters here who will tell you Phenom I was garbage, mostly because it's hard to deny.

There are a lot of intel supporters and owners saying these Clarkdales are garbage too. Mostly because they are.


The only people left supporting Clarkfail are the most extreme intel fanboys, ie yourself (Jimmy), Badtrip, Notty and Psycho.
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Actually I never said I supported Clarksdale except I know its going to do what its meant to do: Lower the price of the overal computer for the verage consumer. Now the average consuer is not going to care about benchmarks nor will most businesses. They all look at price. Intels Clarksdale will be cheaper in OEM PCs because OEMs only use a gdecent CPU, the rest is garbage (mobo, RAM ect).

In the end I am willing to bet that most businesses will buy a Clarksdale based PC and a lot of average consumers will too since it will be cheap and do everything they need PLUS Intel can easily fufill supply demands while AMD will only be able to make a fraction of what Intel can.

Besides we all know that if Intel priced Clarksdale at what AMDs dual cores were it would be unfair. It is the best dual core on the market for those looking for a dual core and performance.

BTW, the day that AMD makes a better performing CPU you will see me congratulating them and IF it so happens to be when I have the funds to build a new PC, I will buy it. Price is not my thing really since I set a budget. If I had the funds right now it would go towards a Core i7 920 + HD5870 because it would easily fit my budget and the CPU would perform better in everything outside of gaming that I do.

I think thats the one thing you tend to forget about as do a lot of people. There are those who have budgets low and some who have budgets that are high. Whatever that budget is there is a CPU that will fill the need and it wont always be AMD or Intel. it will be a mix.

sighQ2, The FTC knows nothing about technology. They are just like any other government agencie, out for themselves and the governemnt. You following them blindly is hilarious.
 


generally true
some am2 lack tdp handling capable.
most are not like newer am2+ and am3, which are "dual plane"; so there can be instability problems. (generally not recommended even if it will work - and they use HTT1 and not newer HTT3.
asus declined one of their high end am2+boards - owner's not happy - simple refusal? no reason given.
BUT u r right, it's not amd's decision - they make the easy upgrade path available - but the mobo makers deal with their own mobos regardless.
people must consult mobo website to use am3 on am2+, etc.
 
One thing ominus here is, since we can now claim usage of other compilers, and Intels actually doing better now, didnt they also stop their "rebate" programs after C2D, or just before?
Didnt they also offer nvidia Atom by itself at an inflated price, or, its SoC solution, still prohibitively high? And nVidia filed? Or, itll be too late by the time nVidia hcan enter this market, as SoC will have been adopted, and this market was never challenged?
And, since it was generally known as to being more prevelent earlier as to Intels compiler issues, wasnt that also when AMD had a superior chip? And not now, so people understand the timing, its importance, and why it doesnt look so bad now?
All these things fit, so yes, Intel has it all coming back to roost
 
Do you guys not realize the reason they compare the quad Athlon to the i3 is b/c it is cheaper? Its not like your not going to get the 2 extra cores for the same price (from microcenter only) anyway....

I mean seriously, there is a reason we don't compare the i3 to an Athlon ii X2- its $50. You compare $50 AMD CPUs with $50 Intel CPU's and so on.
 
The compiler I can understand. It was made by Intel so it would optimize for Intel not the competition. I am pretty sure if you tried to use a compiler made by nVidia on a ATI GPU it wouldn't get the best optimizations as the nV card would.

As for Atom, still nV just wants part of everything. I am supprised they aren't going after Core i3 now since it will furtehr cut into their IGP sales.....
 


some
not all
you won't get full potential anyway due to am2 has HTT1 and newer am2+ and am3 are HTT3

but, if supported by manuf., it's not bad for cheap.

oclox problems relate to am2 not designed for higher tdp.
 
It's fine to be pro AMD and pro intel but that doesn't mean you can lie and cheat or just plain refuse to accept some simple facts.

There are plenty of AMD supporters here who will tell you Phenom I was garbage, mostly because it's hard to deny.

There are a lot of intel supporters and owners saying these Clarkdales are garbage too. Mostly because they are.


The only people left supporting Clarkfail are the most extreme intel fanboys, ie yourself (Jimmy), Badtrip, Notty and Psycho.
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Well you forget that clarkdale is the same as wolfdale, financially they make no sense but they are a ton of fun to overclock. As for Intel's "budget" sector, clarkfail is not a bad term.

Nice to see you back Jenny, I didn't even know that was you.
 

There aren't any.
 


This is true. But it still doesn't mean that people wnat to know a dual core vs a dual core performance wise. Price is one part. hell AMD made a name by offering the same performance at a lower price in the K7 days. Of course K8 came and they offered better performance for more.

I think comparing it to AMDs dual cores and then getting a price/power/performance rating is important. If you factor in everything and don't just cherry pick it so AMD has the best odds it doesn't look good for AMD. I bet if you factor in power with price and performance the Core i3 comes out near the same in terms of pricing as AMDs dual cores.

THG had a test showing it was near half TDP as a AMD quad at full load.
 


Exactly, AMD has faster processors for the same or less and provide cheaper, yet still good, motherboards compared to what Intel offers. And if you really care, for less you can get the ATI IGP that rapes and leaves Intel's IGP broken and crying in a gutter.
 


Here are his last two posts, notice no conspericies or discussion about any particular company's ethics or lack thereof:





The last one even hit the nail on the head.
 
I think the AMD fanboys here ought to take on the spinner crown. Are you all forgetting the phenom dual core 550 IS 99.00. Now thats 2 cores not 4, so why would any crazy fanboy ever buy one of those ? Oh wait , we will hear some AMD fud for that to. Sorry but Intel just took over all the dual core market and most of the tr-cores as well. Show me a member here with a 4ghz AMD dual or tri core. I'm waiting ?
We have a Clarkdale about to hit 5ghz in this thread. This is a enthusiast web site, one that caters to overclockers, this is where the fun is. its jealous trolls that want to spoil everyones fun and rant like a lunatic about company morals.
 
Theres major responsibilities for owning the x86 license, as we see government after government coming against Intel and its usage.
That being said, it IS Intels responsibility to have their compiler treating all cpus fairly, according to the FTC. It doesnt matter what you or I think, does it? Some think Intels totally innocent, did it matter so far 2.7 billion dollars in?
Argue against this all you want, but thats whats been laid down, unless your arguments are picked up and used by Intel, and are an effective defense for their actions, it doesnt matter, as Intel is only a company, and 1 thats been found corrupt by many entities, with more coming
 
Dual Cores tend to appeal to the budget market now, so the pricing of the Core I3 makes little sense. I know it's a new chip, but Intel are going to struggle to convince people when AMD and their own older Core2Duo series is good for this particular market. I mean the Q8200 is tiny bit more expensive, even if it's on an older platform at least that's a Quad core. Intel have really lost the plot here.
 
" think the AMD fanboys here ought to take on the spinner crown. Are you all forgetting the phenom dual core 550 IS 99.00. Now thats 2 cores not 4, so why would any crazy fanboy ever buy one of those ?"

Exactly, now youre getting it, the same for the i3s.
 


shill

lying doesn't make people comfortable either

and truth disturbs fanboys like you even more

speak to the issues with clean info - I won't object to that. but fud is your favourite passtime. you misrepresent just like you were a trained seal. that has nothing to do with me; it's about you - deal with your bs.
 

His non-dominant and rarely seen personality must have got the chance to make those posts, but I am sure when his dominant personality realises this, normal programming will recommence.
 


That might have something to do with it having half the cores... :pfff:

You can't really compare AMD's dualcores vs Intel's because that is unfair to Intel, AMD can come very close to i3 with a $50 CPU...
 


Your kidding right?

No the Phenom II X2 550 makes absolutely no sense, even though it can be cheaper when you consider the rest of the system.

DUALCORES ARE NOT ENTHUSIAST PARTS!!!

They are budget parts, anything over $80 is too much for a dualcore. Clarkdale fails in that it IS BEATEN BY A SIMILARLY PRICED QUADCORE!

Look I quit, refer below.


 


This I know. But thats what we are going to see if we compare it to a quad. Power is a big part too.

JDJ, is there any way you can get sighQ2 to stop? hes aggrivating me with his schill talk.
 
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