Asrock n68 s3 fx + amd fx 6300, Maybe a bad combination?

[Tsuyoshi]

Hello to all of you.

i am new here, this is my first thread.

Well, i have a question, some time ago, about 3 weeks, my mother gave me a pc with a asrock motherboard, i changed then the old processor, a sempron and put a new one, a fx 6300.

After little research, i found that maybe this was a mistake.
I regret that decision.
People told me that that motherboard is old, weak, not apropriate to a fx processor, despite motherboard specifications.

Well, i think you understand my situation.

To add more to this, i have constant bsod, cpu performance seems poor, fan rotation sound is loud sometimes, very annoying.

So, what should i do?

Thank you in advance.

 

[Chicano]

Yes there is learn more about amd motherboards

Could you put that in plain english?

 

[lfkfkfkffs]

you don't look at the processor temperature, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the board is borderline for FX chips because of its almost complete lack of a power phase and no heat sinks on the vrms at all.

 

[Chicano]

Wait, now im little confused, is downclocked in the bios or not?

Thankyou Chicano for your precious advices.
Tomorrow i will give a try

Ifkfkfkffs, thank you too.

You could also check in the BIOS for the CPU Multiplier... if it's on AUTO, it's throttling down... and if it's on a fixed Multiplier number (7.0), it's underclocked.

 

[Chicano]

you don't look at the processor temperature, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the board is borderline for FX chips because of its almost complete lack of a power phase and no heat sinks on the vrms at all.

You don't look at the CPU temperature? What else would make it throttle down if not high CPU temperature?.
if the manufacturer says the motherboard supports the FX-6300 what makes you think you know better?.. You think they run a successfull corporation defrauding the consumer telling them they can use a FX-6300 when they can't?.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68-S3%20FX/
http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68-S3%20FX/?cat=CPU

 

[lfkfkfkffs]

The vrm temperature can throttle down the processor as well as insufficient consistent power from them. They didn't even bother putting a sensor for the temperature by the vrm's at all. It is just like asus and gigabyte saying that their cheapo 700 series chipsets can support a full 125w processor but 99% of the time when people get a cheap motherboard without sufficient power phases they come to forums asking for help on why their processors aren't performing correctly. so yes a good company can produce crap that isn't meant to support the processor correctly. The asrock board is cheaply designed and made and not sufficient for any FX processor go learn about how important the heatsinks and vrm's are on AMD motherboards.

 

[Chicano]

Show me some examples of those poor consumers that got ripped off... if you're not making it up, you shouldn't have trouble finding a few related examples that you helped solve.

Cheap motherboards may not be good enough for gaming but they should perform well under normal ussage... the OPs CPU is at 1406.2MHz and around 40ºC on 1.34 volts (normal is 1.41v). Those readings were taken at idle... So the low CPU speed is not the consequence of high temps, unregulated voltage, or lack of a heatsink. The results of resetting the BIOS should tell if the motherboard can perform better... or is a total waste even on light tasks.. according to your supposition.

 

[lfkfkfkffs]

Do your own research it isn't that hard to know when a amd board isn't suited for a cpu I'm sure you have plenty of time

 

[Chicano]

Why should I do any research when you are who's claiming that 99 out of 100 people that buy a motherboard with a 700 series chipset have trouble with them... I am not the one making such claims, so why should I do any research to prove you right?... You make the claims, you prove it!.

You don't seem to understand the point... the motherboard may or not be suited for gaming or demanding tasks with the FX-6300 but it should run normally on light tasks such as when the scan with hardware monitor was taken... and it was not running normally, not because of the manufacturing defects you mentioned but because the BIOS is not configured correctly. You seem to think that the FX-6300 is such a demanding CPU that even at idle it needs a more expensive motherboard to run normally... well wrong!.. that CPU is just like any other. The 95 TDP is the maximum not the consistent TDP from startup to shutdown, and should run well at least when the computer is doing light tasks.. but it has not been working right and it's not because it meets your criteria, it doesn't even have a AMD chipset, it has a NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a. So it should be good for at least regular use if configured .. but I'm sure it will be good for some gaming when configured correctly and cooled properly... It doesn't necessarily have to conform to your pessimistic criteria.

 

[lfkfkfkffs]

Look it up

 

[Tsuyoshi]

well, i did some pictures of bios screen, CPUID in idle and with both antivirus, avast and malwarebytes...
you can judge better than me, before i do any move.

here:

now for CPUID idle:

now for CPUID scanning:

 

[Chicano]

Look it up

I don't have to... I know 99 failures out of 100 is impossible... Keep your pessimism to yourself. I'm not buying it. That kind of practice drives a company to bankruptcy in no time... specially one that makes a wide range of motherboards including very inexpensive motherboards that have been so popular that the other manufacturers now compete in that sector. I can't imagine them taking the risk of getting burned just to increase their profits, How long can a company keep that up before it goes broke?... Having it so tuff with the competition of three major manufacturers to compete against, manufacturing duds would have drove them to financial failure long ago.

 

[Cristi72]

Look it up

I don't have to...

To put an end to this nonsense: the FX CPU line was released way after the 7xx or 8xx-series chipsets; while the manufacturers did released updated BIOS microcodes to support newer CPUs, the hardware remained the same (unexpected, I know). N68-S3 FX was released as a cheap motherboard and it remains the same, a cheap motherboard. Some of them works flawlessly with an FX-8300, others have troubles even with a Phenom X4-840 (been there, done that).

OP, try to disable two cores from BIOS and also disable the Turbo feature. If the problem goes away, your motherboard cannot supply enough power. If the problem continues, the memory settings may not be compatible (it is clocked at 1066MHz). Try to manually put the memory frequency to 1333 MHz. Also, CPU-Z it states that the memory uses SLOT2, it should be moved in SLOT1; of course, if you use the first slot from the CPU, maybe the CPU-Z is not properly reading infos from the motherboard.

 

[Chicano]

The first CPU-Z CPU image is your FX-6300, the second is another FX-6300 at normal clock.

Notice the Multiplier minimum 7.0 and maximum 20.5.. your's is set at the minimum.
The Overclock Tweaker section > Overclock Mode (on your 2nd BIOS image), shows it's set on AUTO, so all appears to be correctly set... (not underclocked) but the 1406MHz core speed shows something is not right... I'd suggest you try and set it to normal speed (frequency) manually... Download the Motherboard user manual PDF and check Page 31 on the Overclock Mode settings following the information on the same page on adjusting the CPU Frequency.

ftp://66.226.78.21/manual/N68-S3%20FX.pdf

 

[Tsuyoshi]

Chicano, i was checking in power plans, and found out that power plan was in power saver mode, and changed to balanced.

then i started to play a game, and look at this...

is that right?

i was reading asrock manual, page 31, and i entered in bios setup, but really don´t know what to do.

 

[Chicano]

Yes, that's right!.. the CPU is back to normal clock speed... Windows Control Panel Power Options; those are the settings I was talking about on the first reply. The question now is if it the CPU will stay on the 17.5 multiplier at 3515Mhz.. It should because the Power Saver Mode is supposed to do that, that's what I was suggesting you removed with a BIOS reset since doing it through Windows as I first suggested, I thought was either to confusing fou you, or it had not worked.

Check CPU-Z a few times on different programs and tasks and if it stays at 3515Mhz, and the performance issues are gone, you will not have to change BIOS settings as both BIOS Power Saving settings, and Windows Power Plan Settings, should affect one another. Take a few hours testing the CPU performance and tell us how it has done by then.

 

[Tsuyoshi]

Cristi72:

i will try disabling 2 cores from bios and turbo... memory module is in slot2, because i was testing to see if any of 2 slots were with problem.
but both seems to be functioning normal.
also, slot1 is too next to cpu cooler, and i leave it that way.

Chicano:

there´s something in the bios called AMD Cool'n'Quiet, and is enabled.
got something to do with the cpu performance?

i was testing various programs with CPUID and it seems it is alternating between 1406 mhz when idle, and 3515 mhz when running aplications. performance looks a little better, but not excellent.
and i suspect it´s because of so little ram i have now, 2gb.
for now i don´t know, i plan to buy new memory module when i have money.

i notice that MY windows 8 doesn´t have a option for high performance... why´s that?

 

[Chicano]

AMD Cool'n Quiet (Fan Speed Control)
AMD C1E Support (CPU Speed Control)
Hardware Thermal Control (CPU Temp Protection)
CPU Smart Fan Control (Also related to fan speed control)
I'd have to look up the exact purpose for each but all are related to Power and Temperature Management, their purpose is to reduce CPU and Fan Speed to reduce power consumption, to control fan noise, to conserve energy and to manage temperatue inside the computer.

Your user manual probably describes each option with detail... Some may be affected automatically with the Widows Power Management Plan in effect... and the BIOS configuration of each should affect the Windows Power Plan used automatically.

The High Performance Power Plan may be hidden because you are using first the Power Saving Mode and now the Balanced Mode, both on the lower performance side so the higher performance plan is automatically hidden... If you look on the left side of where the Power Plans are, you will see an option to create a Personalized Power Plan... Start creating one and all the default plans will come to view for you to select the degree of power saving preference, there you can select the High Performance Plan or create one based on it, you can make it an exact copy or with some modifications in time for things to shutdown, time of inactivity before the HDD will shutdown, time for the monitor to shutdown, time to go into sleep mode, hibernation, etc.

 

[Chicano]

2GB of RAM is a bit small for gaming... depending on the games you play you should increase it up to 8GB. For other types of use, a FX-6300 with 2GB RAM should run a bit limited but if you limit the number of tasks, so the data doesn't pile up waiting to be processed, it should run moderately well.

BTW: After you have the CPU speed steady at 3515MHz, see if the previous memory module now performs better... run Memtest on it if necessary to detect if it still has issues with normal CPU clock speed.

 

[Tsuyoshi]

you´re right, i found high performance.
wow, this is too much to learn, man... but i think i found the right place to get help.
thank you really for all your trouble!

i didn´t expected to spent many days to solve this problem.
well, just i few days, and i will report back with more answers.
i was talking to 3 friends that have a better knowledge with computers, they told the memory was faulty.
bsod it seems to be solved.
fan noises too, are gone.
time will tell, i think.

just a few things are remaining:

1.reset the bios.
2.test the faulty memory with the current i have.
3.disabling 2 cores and turbo on bios.
4.test new memory... in that case, i don´t know when this will happen, right now i don´t have money.

ok then...

 

[Chicano]

Well. memory as well as CPU rarely become useless... you have to test it with the appropriate software and the system running as best as possible for better chances of getting an accurate reading... so, with any luck your last RAM module may just turn out to be ok. In my years of computing, only 1 one RAM module has turn out deffective and that was because it was a cheap brand, it was a bit thinner than normal, and had a physical damage so it made a cracking sound like starting to break when I tried bending it. Even so it still ran but with issues. CPUs, never had or seen one fail.

You may not hace to do #1 if you understand and configure the BIOS Power Options settings correctly and that stabilizes the CPU at 3515 Mhz. Also forget doing # 3. If the CPU issues are gone and it's running up to normal clock speed.

 

[Tsuyoshi]

well, i was unable to figure out how to configure the bios by myself.
but, i was testing the memory module in a friend´s computer... and... it gave me bsod 7 times in an hour of use!!
wow, i think that thing is finished!!

don´t want to put that thing on my pc, no more!

about cpu mhz, it is stabilized at 3515, when in use...
should i put an end to the problem, and close the thread?

 

[Chicano]

Yeah, that RAM module is apparently useless... what are it's brand and specs?... (for the record).

If the CPU is holding at 3515 MHz when in use... and even if it slows down to 1406 MHz when at idle and speeds up to 3515Mhz on demmand (depending on the power plan settings), and if you are experiencing no more issues (except those attributed to the insufficient RAM obviously),... I'd say the case is solved. Pick the answer that best helped, and the thread will automatically be considered closed.

 

[Tsuyoshi]

memory is a markvision mvd34096mld13 4gb...

ok... thank you for Chicano, Cristi72, and lfkfkfkffs for all your help.
you guys were very nice in helping me solving problems.

goodbye!

 

[77sunsetstrip]

Hello to all of you.

i am new here, this is my first thread.

Well, i have a question, some time ago, about 3 weeks, my mother gave me a pc with a asrock motherboard, i changed then the old processor, a sempron and put a new one, a fx 6300.

After little research, i found that maybe this was a mistake.
I regret that decision.
People told me that that motherboard is old, weak, not apropriate to a fx processor, despite motherboard specifications.

Well, i think you understand my situation.

To add more to this, i have constant bsod, cpu performance seems poor, fan rotation sound is loud sometimes, very annoying.

So, what should i do?

Thank you in advance.

 

[77sunsetstrip]

Where did you read that crap... if the CPU Support List includes the FX-6300, it should run well... you may have to update the BIOS though..
1. if your BIOS is not P1.20 or more recent, you need to update it.
2. It may also need better cooling... a loud fan with poor performance and bsods, can be indication of poor cooling.
3. If that doesn't do it, you may need to check everything from; BIOS settings particularly on CPU temp and fan speed, to; hardware power and data connections.
4. to Windows Power Options Settings, and general Windows health and performance.
5. You also have to check Hard Drive health... use Hard Disk Sentinel, performance should be high close to 100% and health should be as close to 100% possible or "Excellent", or at least should say "Good".


AM3+ FX - FD6300WMW6KHK - 95W - Vishera - 3500MHz - 2000MHz - 2MBx3 - 8MB - C0 - P1.20 http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/N68-S3%20FX/?cat=CPU