Asus mobo question

[samurairage]

Hey guys, I’m building new pc with i7 8700 non-k, and I’ve ordered asus b360 tuf pro gaming. I’ve read that asus motherboards have vcore and temps issues, is that true or it’s more like for Z chipset? Cuz a lot of people claim vcore on asus mobos go up to1.4 and temps hit 100 degrees in a blink of an eye, need help ASAP it’s coming tomorrow.

 

[samurairage]

Nobody knows?

 

[zyh1987]

correction, cheap asus board has temp issues, high end ones, don't.

TUF is a really basic board that cut down lots of useful features. here is the tierlist for asus, (ROG non-strix > ROG strix > PRIME> TUF)

ROG non strix is expensive but very solid, ROG strix are expensive, but as long as you don't do anything crazy, they are okay.

PRIME has some good and some bad. (some are cut down of the strix board, which is okay, where sometime it's the glorified tuf board with fancy look) TUF brand made in the pass 2 year is just bad.

the vrm doesn't look very impressive, i won't be surprise if it can't deliver the max 4.2 Ghz@ all core turbo boost speed.
gaming and normal use are likely to be fine, but if you are doing rendering, or push CPU to its limit, the power draw is quite high.
and the vrm will get hot,

typical 4 + 2 phase vrm, should've been fine with i5 8400, but i7 8700. ideally, you would like to have a 6+2 or a mimic 8 phase (big 4 phase).
ideally, you don't want to push your vrm to it's limit with daily use. as the heat generate can quickly shorten the lifespan of the components.

my suggestion is that if you are only using it for gaming, you can probably keep it, and make sure to have some good air flow in the cpu, to cool the vrm and cpu.

if you are doing rendering, or other cpu intensive work, get a better board. for asus brand, strix 360-f looks much better.

 

[samurairage]

Can I get any other good b360 board from other brands? I’d be glad if you could give me a few examples but not too expensive please

 

[zyh1987]

asrock pro4 b360

 

[samurairage]

Asrock b360m pro4 that’s a matx is it okay? Cuz I have this one in a local store. Or I should go for a ATX? Cuz I can’t find anywhere close to me, sigh....

 

[zyh1987]

it's fine, just make sure the case some decent airflow. i think the VRM is the same for atx and matx version on the b360 asrock.

 

[samurairage]

I’m gonna use fractal design focus g and put 5 fans in it, is it okay?

 

[zyh1987]

totally!

 

[samurairage]

Sorry for asking but what’s so important about vrm?

 

[zyh1987]

it provides power to your cpu, converting 12V to 1.1~1.4V using a multiple buck converters in parallel, for example, at the input side, you have 10A x 12V coming from psu, CPU runs at 1.2V, so the conversion turns 12V to 1.2V (or w/e your cpu needs), total power is the same, so you end up with 10 times more current than from your input side. average vrm handles about 15~25A per phase (the expensive one can handle more, but much more expensive 40~60 A), and if you have 4 phase, your maximum power to supply the cpu will be amperage * core voltage * number of phase. (in this case, it will be 70~120 W),

when VRM is working, it generates heat, and as the temperature rise, the current capacity decreases, and when it hits a safety watermark, it just shut down. this is the problem, if your cpu draws too much power (under intense CPU work load), vrm on weaker boards will get really hot and it either caps the power delivery or shuts down completely. that's why it's important.

 

[samurairage]

Thank you for guiding me, mate. So what other options do I have except asrock mobo? Do I need to launch bios cuz i7s default vcore is way too high?

 

[zyh1987]

default vcore is fine for for 8700.

you don't need to touch it, giving a choice of these mobo, i specifically choose them so that you don't need to worry about power delivery or as the power delivery on these board are overkill for what 8700 needs.

some one complains about the asus board, was because turning xmp on the z board will enable mce (multi core enhancement) and that will push the k version of cpu with a very high vcore, and running @ max single core turboboost speed for all core (8700k @ 4.7 Ghz, with a high vcore). These feature don't work for b360, as mce are generally disabled for non k cpu.

 

[samurairage]

Mr.Zyh thank you again, but can I be sure that MATX Asrock pro4 has good vrm? I want it to be perfect I’m building PC for the first time in my life. I’m being nervous for the last three days. Also I have hyper 212 led, hope it’s enough for nonk i7

 

[zyh1987]

It has one of the better vrm that I have seen in most b360 boards, it’s funny how asrock was part of Asus before, and they are known to make good and budget friendly boards.

 

[samurairage]

So the size of a motherboard doesn’t matter when it comes to vrm?

 

[zyh1987]

yes and no, matx and atx usually can use the same or similar vrm, itx are similar as usually need to compromise.

 

[zyh1987]

http://www.overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/943109-about-vrms-mosfets-motherboard-safety-125w-tdp-processors.html

something good to know. =] very good information here.

 

[samurairage]

Oh I’ll get into this, thank you , as a final word about b360 matx asrock pro4 , I can go for it? Or I should try to find atx version?

 

[zyh1987]

i have not seen your final build list. if you need to connect a lot of pci-e device, you need a full atx board for that actual space, if you are just connect a graphics card, and a wireless network card, you would be fine with a matx card.

in terms of CPU and Ram, they are the same.

 

[samurairage]

Gtx 1060, ssd, hdd, i7 8700, hyper 212 led, 2x8gb hyperx Kingston black fury 2133 MHz and a case I’ve already mentioned before =]

 

[zyh1987]

the ram is a bit slow, you want a 2666 mhz kit, or at least 2400 mhz, if the price is cheaper on 3000 Mhz kit, then you can use those too, but it won't be running at 3000, it would run in 2666 Mhz speed.

component wise, it should be all fitted onto a matx board.

 

[samurairage]

But I can xmp my ram in bios or no?

 

[zyh1987]

xmp is a profile, it needs to be defined in the memory in order to use loaded and used by the motherboard.

i doubt 2133 needs xmp, as it's pbbly the slowest ddr4 ram out there.

normally the jedec goes to 2133 or 2400, then you need to enable xmp to push the ram to anything higher.

 

[samurairage]

Sadly ram is overpriced in my country, this is the cheapest one and still costs hella a lot, so idk what to do, but if I overclock it to 2666 MHz it means I’m lucky?