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That sort of fatalism could be considered a clinical symptom of something that needs treatment.

/prepares for flood of new clients ...

Mingo ... take their cash at the door while I practice on the keyboard ... get the choir too.

/practices some blues ...
 
i think all religions are a label of punishment.
like living your life and finding out by mail that you have done something wrong.
what the paper states as a 'label' or 'definition of fault' .. religions are the same to me.

i think the government can be of the same analogy.
all of the most important members could be a part of a gang.
and those gangs would be a definition of their ethics.
once again, being 'locked' into one category is going to describe your personality by all of the associated definitions within that gang.
if you 'fit' into a category.. that is it for the time being, you fit and that is your 'label'
whether or not the gang is known for trouble or known for prosperity.. that is beyond the capabilities of many people, as they are still stuck going to church and hearing about some 'god'

i dont think i could have made myself any more clear.. even if i didnt express my words perfectly or well-described.
 
Religions are a label of punishment because many people allow it to be, and people like you label it so.

There many definitions of a gang. What is yours.

I understand yo are trying to be clear, but however, 'logic' does not outweigh faith...a natural human system.
 
of course, if this was the 1980's.. they would say 'when logic doesnt outweight faith, that is a chemical imbalance'

no sense re-defining something and walking around with slang.
it does nothing but allow other people to grab onto the old definition, and get confused/fight/argue when they encounter the new definition.

racism is a perfect example, as the word deals with time.. not the definitions in all of the widely available dictionaries.
but
i have already been there with the whole 'dont use racism as your method of complaining about time.. since there are many beautiful words to describe the abuse you are experiencing'

one could say there are many beautiful forms of energy associated with the reaction/prediction to the abuse.
as seen here:
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here:
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and here:
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^ I was simply using my own free thinking for explaining. I had no idea.

Abuse comes for the abuser. It has nothing to do what they have dealt with. They may use it to justify hurting you, but would you go on living life knowing that you were a tool in abuse to find out your purpose was to be used as a tool for abuse and the abusers actions?

This is where free will comes in play. Stand up for what is right.
 
those hardware products are no reason to let the recession continue, as there are many things that make us angry or sad.
we really dont need to be insinuated and expected.
i had a gimpse of all of the good things we could also be recording/monitoring during these times.
if it waits any longer, we will miss the SINGLE chance.
unless we setup communities underground that replicate the translation from crt to lcd .. no computer to computer .. and all of the other technological things.

my results and ability dont deserve to suffer.
nor would any real place have the chance to deserve missing that single moment.
a whole lot of skewed results proximate when those chances are recreated underground.
those skewed results are enough to sue, and of course i would.
 
And conversely; Faith does not outweigh logic....

It has nothing to do what they have dealt with. They may use it to justify hurting you, but would you go on living life knowing that you were a tool in abuse to find out your purpose was to be used as a tool for abuse and the abusers actions?
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Yes it does, Your life experiences directly affect the way you think and act. There is no need for justification. Religion is as hurtful as anything else. Fundamentalist Islamic are just as hurtful as Christianity and as hurtful as Scientology and as hurtful as Atheism(etc, et. al.) The is no divide between them. There can't be as that is impossible. The saying that the abused/abuser are just using the tools to justify their hurt is a cop out at best. Please be reasonable with that as I know it probably sounds harsher than I mean for it to.

Humans as a species should rely on each other to help each other no matter what religious/nonreligious views. However, Humans are tribal naturally. And with that comes Group Think. And with that comes Gang Mentality. It is a natural process that occurs. (Caveat: Gang mentality is not always wrong however, it does normally lead to bad decisions by a group of people.) So with gang mentality comes injustices(read caveat before thinking I am making a blanket presumption) and people stick to whom are most like them; IE. Geeks stick and normally thinks like geeks, hippies normally stick with hippies, etc. etc. etc. So the key would be to get everyone to think just alike; which would totally negate the possibility of free will. Thus making us drones.

Discuss.
 
common good wont come for some time.
too much pain that has embedded itself.
but
when things do start to cleanup.. you should rest assured that there will be people shining bright through all of the other dim people.
and when they walk to you, it will be like a carnival.. lots of enthusiam between you and the person, yet lots of sadness and depression from other people.

kinda like being two robots with full battery power, and the rest of the crowd has 25% power left.

but..
we know the world is queer and that some people will find ways to keep their battery level high.
that ruins the scene of bliss between the two people when there are some lesser intelligent people running around with 50% - 75% battery level.
and when those other bots have their energy at 76% - 100% .. some very serious problems arise.
because of the massive amount of varying battery levels.. common good is far-fetched.

people who dont enjoy their job that puts money in their pocket.. simply because the job isnt any fun.
this is a huge drain of battery.
some people get paid much more than they deserve, and it keeps their battery level high.. again, a huge problem with the moment of bliss and getting things 'common'

it is far too easy to say people all have to wash their dishes and use the toilet everyday.
their environment is a part of the equation.
and i believe the environment needs change.
very little of anything has come from the recession, not a rise in murders around here.
some serious amounts of increased verbal abuse.. probably topping the charts, next to self-abuse.

to say that this world we see is shared with the galaxy of space.. that gives things a new meaning, when there is only one single chance to take the highest priority and allow it to be monitored.
awfully hard to say aliens are picking up our energy if we are hidden inside the earth.

i do fully comprehend the importance of happiness isnt the number one priority.
as violence of any type is more important.
but
does anybody really think we would be deprived for this long with our current technology?
i highly doubt any alien would come to this planet and not get their ass kicked, unless they blowup the entire planet in one big boom.
and even then.. they could see the bullet coming.
continuing the recession is turning into a lack of self-respect for our responsibility to keep this planet alive.
i really dont see us becoming slaves to aliens.
we could hide underground and live as normal as anything.. and the military would monitor all entrances.

i am starved because of the damn recession.
mentally.. emotionally.. physically.. down to the right to eat food and have a place to live.
i think the amount of queer characters on this planet is enough to counter-balance myself.
but
those people have been queer for a long long time, and if the recession didnt break them.. not much will.

i have my doubts that some people are seeing the recession as they are sending or receiving money.
pretty hard to do that.
but as they say.. money changes people (or some village that doesnt have money, but valuables up for trade).

they could very well use me as an example of the damages bubbling and popping because of the recession.
even if i told them not to :lol:

the nonsense is really starting to turn into personal attacks.
 


let the government try and tell me that nonsense and i will continue to make my remarks.
entertainment is always in need.
doesnt matter what form of entertainment, as things can be created new and ruled justified.. or even lawful.
despite the number of different methods sounds have been put together, there are still some new ways it can be made.
that goes well for the ears.. and the same can be said for visuals.

i have had my hand in entertainment, as i remember.
and i wish to continue my efforts to release, or be removed from this prison of life.
psychology is all but done, as those have been created and left for a team to devour.
 
I disagree, and is why we raise up those who have overcome
This is our ideal, and to be lukewarm only breeds failure.

If we assume that our environs is what makes us, is again, ignoring Who created us.
Anyone can change, whether it be belief, ethics or simply their POV.

When we abandone those whove overcome, and raise up those whove failed by declaring its not their fault, and allow for a victim mentality, again, weve lost from the get go.
How do you show someone whos had it tough? And prefers to go in the wrong direction? Show them the merits of the right direction, dhow them the respect those things deserve.
Every desciption Ive seen regarding these things are related to weakness, such as group think, even needing to go to church every sunday.
Theres no peace in group think if there isnt other groups to point to, as if theyre inferior. And even within such groups, its stagnation, again, a form of defeatism.
Growth comes from within, not without. We dont get people to quit drinking, doing drugs or create crimes, it only comes after each person doing such things breaks these things off from their lives.
Groups tends to stymie innovation, individualism etc, as that isnt the norm, and ultimately it becomes unacceptable to these groups.
There is a constent out there, and only by yourself can you find it
 


that is the anthem of the chicago gent.
and tracking back to 1988.. it is proven why the placeholder 'chicago' is there.
 
let the government try and tell me that nonsense and i will continue to make my remarks.
entertainment is always in need.
doesnt matter what form of entertainment, as things can be created new and ruled justified.. or even lawful.
despite the number of different methods sounds have been put together, there are still some new ways it can be made.
that goes well for the ears.. and the same can be said for visuals.

i have had my hand in entertainment, as i remember.
and i wish to continue my efforts to release, or be removed from this prison of life.
psychology is all but done, as those have been created and left for a team to devour.
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I am going to be honest with you and tell you I have no clue as to what you are trying to say here or as to what point you are trying to convey.
 



That is an interesting opinion to have. :) Are you saying that our environments do not change who we are? Harden our heart? Make us more generous? Make us more suseptible to abuse?

[/Just Curious btw.]
 


this is inevitable since we have to deal with other people whenever we go outside.
generousity in the face of gratitude is of intelligence, and that same intelligence can see the abuse coming.
to those who are riding solo, it does prove to be more difficult.. but a group of friends around is surely enough to catch an attack of abuse before it happens (or completely thwart off the attack's magnitude - as well as provide witness testimony in the event the abuse does happen).

to say 'who' or 'what' is really unknown to scientists.
humans could all be the size of germs.. and each planet is a piece of blood in a creature we live in.
science will back track the events from today to as far back as they can go.
things generally stop at the same conclusion most people are free to make, that there was enough organic material present to create life.
to say some giant creature put the organic material there with some tweezers and locked us in a shoe box.. technology and math hasnt come that far.
there are probably technological theories of the big bang, since i am sure by now it could be re-created.
it is the events that lead up to the big bang, and the spinning of our solar system that remain a mystery.
see.. 'the big bang' has been known for decades, that is why you hear it very often and it is very common knowledge.
once you reach the limits of infinity, the job is done.
no coming into contact with aliens is expected to explain anything about our solar systems creation.
the answer to that probably wont come for a few centuries, at the very least, as i feel the human species is an embarassment to showcase (or be asking for) alien contact.

some would say 'well this is who we are'
and there are many of us that already know it isnt the truth.. as there has been much oppression done on the behalf of the government to give them enough seperated space to get their technology finished.
and it is all but done, as things have been invented and work.. only needing to be re-worked and made more efficient or powerful.
they have plenty of time to do that underground where the general consumers will never ever be there to bother them.
there is absolutely no reason why the recession needs to continue.
all of the machines to do the work have had the time to be fully released from beta testing AND the patches have all been applied to finalize the driving force.
nothing left to do except try alternative sources to power those machines.. and none of them are expected to be heavy-duty.. making them a toy and a play thing.
the materials to dig are done.. the materials to hide and enclose the structure underground are done.

one could say that i am ranting and raving about the technological improvements we have recently seen..
and to that i say, you dont show me a room full of hundreds of chemists who have no real idea of what they are doing.. and try to tell me that we have not seperated every single molecule on this planet and combined it in every single way possible.
the only thing left to do is combine these molecules and wait a very long time to see if anything changes.
meaning.. nothing has happened for 20 or 30 years, and nothing is expected to happen in the future.. but they will do it anyway because the desire to know is law.

it would seem that we all have our methods of tribal contact,
and to continue the recession seems like a persons play thing.
the depression was enough time for the federal government to get in gear and put forth undercover agents.
there is only one true simple judgement here.. be yourself and dont get caught up taking the instructions from a liar.
because you will be held accountable for your actions, as well as the supervisor above you, as well as the policy itself.
this is truly psychology work, where people 'give in' and take the role of a follower - rather than a lover.
as it can be seen.. the devastation is high, and no one person is really able to get away from it.
meaning, if we clean it up and keep it clean (i mean love and gratitude versus compassion and hope) there will be an opposite effect that we have seen from the depression and the recession.

maybe people talk about who created us, as if to say who is in charge, and they are pleading for help from nature.
the government doesnt spend all of its time to put up hidden cameras and microphones to be pushed aside by nature.. and they shouldnt be acting like they 'want' us to push them aside and be of nature and/or anarchy.
it is a parlor trick for the foolish without logic, and we cannot hold people to that logic when there has been such an effort to bring upon depression to civilization.
the mentally battered and emotionally abused should not be expected to think clearly.
some of us are like insects swarming the land for nutrition.. a real disgrace and dishonor to the mental thinking efforts done to create the technological revolution we are living in.
it is natural for us to wander around and look for food or socialism.. hell, even cells do that.
but
as i said, it isnt natural for us to be molded into a different species (such as an insect) as the rightfully earned reward of being 'human' is at risk.
we may not physically be molded, and we might not mentally be molded.. since we all go to a business to work, and cells or insects dont generally do this.
but
we are emotionally being molded in a hypocritical scenario were people are born and are subjected to a poor environment that can totally ruin their chances of becoming something better than their parents (or grandparents).
to say that we have three generations of torment behind us is true.. and to say that there is hypocritical mentality in the situation is also true.
as some of us are treated like a 'worker ant' and some of us are treated like a 'queen ant'
that divide has been existing, and the struggle inbetween hasnt really let up.
all you have is your childhood to get yourself into a shelter and get your but in gear to go.
that isnt always long enough, as people have evolved to be very sensual - needing the extra time to answer questions that get in the way of the motivation for school or work.
people are born poor and confused, and they have a tendancy to try and their hand at philosophy to save their butt from going mentally, emotionally, and financially bankrupt.
time is wasted because the government quickly steps in and 'informs us' that there is no reason you need to help.
some people find this out too late.. some never find out at all.. and both of them have wasted precious time.
it isnt diversity among the people, it is starvation.
the government doesnt have to be there to teach people right from wrong.. family and friends can do that.
but
the government has put itself into the position to take the credit for doing all of the starvation.. and nobody has come up with a strong structured case that has moved the heart of the government.
if it was really all that worthwhile, it would have made it to the news.
otherwise, all that was said could have been said by a paid government official.

the best of the best from the government do not miss a single beat.
nothing left to do but sue for compensation from abuse and damages.. and even then, that isnt enough to pull yourself out of the mess.
the participation happens, and the events continue to go on.. and the damages will occur again, except maybe this time they will pose as unaffiliated with the government and there is nothing to do but prove the affiliation with hard evidence.. and then sue again.
my situation of being subjected to abuse is there, as i have been contacted by the abuse.
i dont expect to get much out of it when the system is designed to tell you to 'shut up' or create an anarchist party (or mob) and either work together or fight eachother.
not fun for the rest of us who know better than to fight a mob bigger than theirs.
 

one would think those situations have already been done enough to examine principles.. but, as they say 'it is all fun and games until somebody gets hurt'
so when you are playing around feeding consumers or insects some LSD .. there does prove to be the inevitable event that something different happens, usually referenced to as evolution.

i mean, personally.. i have already seen the headspikes.
i could certainly see how the situation could be inhumane and thus unlawful, for consumer or insect.

to really pull things in on itself for the topic of this thread, i dont think anybody has the right to take something so very old and apply a new definition to it.
i dont expect the bible to mean anything, specifically for the fact that it could have been written as a crossword puzzle.
a group of people in the desert writing away whenever they felt the urge to say something.. and as playful as it proves to be when two people try to write a sentence after eachother, sometimes something makes sense and they go with it for a moment.
bringing the book back into town for other people to write into it and share the same game.
and then passing out the book for others to dive deep into.. for the psychology of it all, and probably because the persons doing the writing were highly respected and on vacation.. or some other subset of mental caging.

obviously, as generations came and went.. the book grew to something like a ghost story from history (like anything old in an attic)
and the people didnt throw it out because of the poetry it contained.
based on the poetry of the writing, the rest was also available to be respected.
bringing people to become a novice psychologist.
and that would bring along a bunch of nuisance since being novice is very hard when you arent going forward in a straight line.
that leads to the book being banned.
and those that knew of the poetry and found nothing wrong with the sentences of wisdom.. they fought to bring the book back.
and ever since then people have been re-writing the book and adding more lines of poetic wisedom.
any characters involved are that of a persons play thing.. otherwise the book would have made sense line for line.. paragraph to paragraph.. from subject matter to subject matter.
they are lines of artistic expression taken from a person's brain.
words can be crafted based on induced emotions.. we know this already.
so to look back and put the person under a sun baked sky.. it should all come to a philosphy of personality character influenced by whatever.

you take yourself to a place where the main person says 'god' and 100 different people have a different definition for the word.
not only is that irresponsible, it is unsafe, unorganized, rude to eachother, and disrespectful to the original writing.

there have been writings of the stars that are more glamorous than the bible.
since some of the stars are still there and the folklore is much less than that of what food you had been eating, mixed with your dna.. and thus creating the personality profile used to write the book.

i see the bible as a painting where the painter took some paint and splashed it on the canvas.
maybe if there was something visually seen that makes coherent sense, then the painter drops everything and fills in what they see to help others see the same thing (or to capture the vision and go with it as inspiration)

no religion of a god can hold themselves into a light of respect when their views are the talk of spirit and being.
it doesnt mix with the math or the science.
changing things to make it fit for you in manipulation and a serious sign of a personality defect (or future problem with socialism).

people absorb into the crap as if it is history, and because it is poorly written.. they should have left it alone as trash.
nothing you can say about giving nature a new name.
yes, people have the free will to take a situation and give it an artistic 'name' or 'label'
but
as reality has it.. if it was used once for something else, you really shouldnt exert yourself with slander.
since the book had an original date and an original form.. everybody is guilty, and it is all trash, and none of it is logic unless a person has manipulated something and given a reason to frown upon them.
as it could have been seen fit way back then.. if anybody tried to change or re-define something, they could have been frowned upon as being some form of stupid.

adult humor in the hands of children is how i see it.
and quite frankly, i believe the adult joke has gone on for longer than it was intended to be welcome.
i dont feel i deserve to see 'in god we trust' on all of my money.

i dont gripe or moan about it much.. because there are far too many children with some adult humor.
the re-writing and disrespecting the original writing to form a more solid story has really annoyed me.
and in the art of war.. that generally means somebody is doing something right.

there is a mighty fine truth to be said here..
and that is, there are a lot more instances of beauty that can be talked upon with artistic expression.. rather than having somebody do it for you and repeat it for decades (and even centuries).
it is like hearing the joke 'why did the chicken cross the road' for like 2,000 years.
anything 'jesus' or 'god' or 'pray' .. these things are all of the same line of joke.
i am willing to bet 'pray' wasnt used the same way twice in the original writing.
i believe cave men had more to say than the dope heads that wrote the bible.

i know that some people feel the empowerment because the writings are very old.
and to that i say, why bother stopping at that point in history when you could go back further?
back to primitive times when things like a wheel or ladder was 'pimpin' and the psychology of situations was also written down.

i think religions are for people screaming and shouting 'save me' .. and the only person they need saved from (for starters) is themselves.
and of course i am disgusted by it.
work of art isnt to be played with, and given the permission didnt seem to help.
intentions are the basic principle.. not the results.. as that is my belief of art.

to only make matters worse, we have to share the world with these idiots.
meaning our children become susceptible to whatever queer games they play.. as well as adult innocence subjected to the same hinderence.
i dont find it lawful really.. as i know people are always allowed to make the wrong decision and be judged for it later.
the recession is always going to be difficult to clean up at times.. but this wild fire of a mess with religion is a much bigger beast.
so big in fact, that the people have taken the 'responsibility' to re-write the book and make some sense out of it to keep the rioting crowds from causing more trouble than they already bring upon to themselves.

a lot of things for people to soak up and absorb are far too old and outdated.
we have the pledge of allegiance that is trash
the star spangled banner that is trash
american anthem that is trash
etc etc etc

gets to the point where holding up an american flag is almost a dead giveaway that you are worth less.
the government body doesnt do a whole lot to provide a way for them to be an emotional crutch.
and that goes all the way to speaking about the FCC and the FTC or the FDA .. as these organizations are very often used, and havent done a whole lot to earn respect.
they are scraping on a bare minimum, and people complain about taxes while leaving these organizations completely out of the picture.
to that i say 'small-minded them'
 


to say that each religion has their view of god is to say that each 'country' has their views of patriotism.
the same grasp of concept, one dealing with a religion, and the other dealing with a country.
spoken about a mindstate and their directly related similarities.
i am not one to say it should be any different in another country.
and i am also not one to say that other countries need complete change.
as i believe we are all bound to be one when it comes to the health of this planet, the health of humans as a species, and the emotional backbone we share together.
lots of people do traveling across the ocean, so it is inevitable that some people would shed their pain and suffering in a different country.. especially if they are consistently dealing with the same person(s).


i mean, to be more blunt..
nobody should be talking about atheism without talking about the mentality of the scenario.
i brought up what i did about atheism and was brought to talking about those that are religious.
it is all connected is the point.. and it doesnt help if you didnt read it all.
 
clear is a color in my book.
i mean, we see that organic material created life.
and at that very moment, the surrounding environment could be the creator you speak of.
could also be the moments before the organic material was in contact with eachother.
anything before that can be utterly pointless.
no amount of math can certify that a big bang happened.
doesnt matter much to me if you say a big bang happened because of all these materials and light was introduced.
then magnetic fields where imposed.. and because of those magnetic fields, the sun was created, and that is how we see the sun in the middle with the planets going round the sun.
i can see it as optional and feasible.
i can imagine it being true as viewed from a pane of glass, examplified in a tank somewhere.
and it is solid information to provide towards anybody who is thinking about pushing the planet earth deeper into space.
you'll burn the sun out if and when the magnetic/nuclear co-existance is altered.
to say that it continues to rejuvenate itself only proves there is an unlimited number of materials in the galaxy.
and that proves the point of much to be had out in the galaxy.

boils down to another parlor trick that fools refuse to learn about.
and to say that the planet earth doesnt have a self rejuvenating principle of its own is clear in your signature quote.
it is supposed to say that the sun may never ever ever burn out.
but
i dont claim to hold all of those details about the other chemicals needed from the outside source to keep anything going.

i know most of it was stated above somewhere when the talk went into some depth about the chemicals involved in the big bang.
but
i forgot what 'catalyst' is involved to keep it all running after it starts.
really annoying not to remember every exact detail you were told? perhaps.
i have heard the details on more than one occasion.
i just dont have the space on my energy rack to complete the motivation to finalize it all again.

i bet i will go back to the post and have another look.
 
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