Athlon64 kills P4 in Doom III

Clob · Aug 6, 2004

Thanks... What would the EE score with the same set up?

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trooper11 · Aug 6, 2004

but you see thats exactly the point of comparing, things arent cut and dry anymore. use to you could count on a p4 being the ebst for video encoding and 3d rendering. but i can show you some reviews, using some apps in both of those fields that perform better on an ahtlon 64. such as xvid for vidoe editing, also besweet for audio editing. and in 3d rendering you find that maya tends to favor an ahtlon set up. so thats the point of comparison. its not the same where you can say one processor completely dominantes a field anymore. a person that uses those apps favorable to the athlon 64 would indeed end up having the best all aorund performer, but of course if they use somehting like divx or 3dsmax, then the p4 remains thier choice. thats why its importatn to see many benchmarks using different apps, as these differences start to show up.

I did my own testing on my p4 and athlon 64 machines for audio work since i do alot of it to find what is best for my p4 and what is best for my ahtlon 64.

Cybercraig · Aug 6, 2004

A P4EE? I really don't know.

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scottchen · Aug 7, 2004

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scottchen · Aug 7, 2004

There we go.

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scottchen · Aug 7, 2004

Meh no fun making fun of kanavit, since he won't fight back at my insults.

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Cybercraig · Aug 7, 2004

The best way to get at Kanavit is to beat his Aquamark score. Clock it up Scott!

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P4Man · Aug 7, 2004

>but i can DEFINATLY tell the difference between 40fps and
>60fps.

I sincerely doubt it, but if you would, the difference would be minimal IMHO.

OTOH, I'm sure anyone could see the difference between 40 and 60 FPS average. With an average of 40, FPS might drop as low as 10 or 15 at times, which is a huge difference from 25 or so minimum you'd see on the "60 FPS on average" machine. Average FPS are not so important, minimum FPS (*) is what truly matters. The heat of the fight with explosions all around you, is especially the time you need high frame rates.

(*) actually, ideally you'd see something like "minimum sustained FPS", the lowest average FPS you'd get for one second or so. Very short dips may not matter much and be hard to compare/measure accurately; that is one reason I like [H]'s graphs of FPS over time. Gives a much better idea than "55 FPS versus 65 FPS". The 55 FPS might be more playable in fact.

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phial · Aug 7, 2004

doubt it all you want, theres a solid difference between the two

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Johanthegnarler · Aug 10, 2004

Yea imagine how annoying it is for me having my flat screen lcd monitor. I have it at 75hz refresh , but the ghosting is pretty lame. You really notice it on halo due to how light it is.

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phial · Aug 10, 2004

yep, i drives me nuts to run anythign less than 85hz. my home pc is at 120hz 1280x1024 (not taht i can tell that high lol) , and my work pc is at 85. so all the compouters i use spoil me..

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xeenrecoil · Aug 10, 2004

Scottchen;

Ya know man that kind of blatent disrespect isnt necessary, just because someone doesnt have as much experiance as you doesnt make them stupid or an idiot, and talking when you dont know what your talking about doesnt make him any different then any other person i ever met, everyone wants to say something and get in on the conversation even if they dont know what the heck they are talking about heh.

xeenrecoil · Aug 10, 2004

Phial;

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scottchen · Aug 10, 2004

His arrogance is what's pissing me off. If you read my other thread, the thing that kanavit pisses me off the most is that he's not only uninformed, he's arrogant.

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phial · Aug 10, 2004

yea.. i think we should all drop it now. hes had enough chance to read that other thread...

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slvr_phoenix · Aug 11, 2004

yep, i drives me nuts to run anythign less than 85hz. my home pc is at 120hz 1280x1024 (not taht i can tell that high lol) , and my work pc is at 85. so all the compouters i use spoil me..

Yeppers. 60hz gives me headaches. Maybe it's because I can actually see the line flicker during the refreshes when it's that slow. 🙁 I have to have a minimum of 75hz to not be drained by just sitting in front of my monitor. (And even then, 85hz or better helps a lot.)

Like all things human, the optical nerves and brain differ in each person. Some people are more sensitive to this, and some less so. We're all different.

The same is true for FPS. It is true that it is primarily the minimum FPS that we notice the most, but even then some people just have sensitive enough nerves to notice more than others. Personally, I've always been used to slow PCs (I used to play flight sims on my C=64) so while I notice low frame rates, they don't bother me as much as they do others. However, there are times when a 30FPS minimum still isn't enough to feel smooth to me.

Maybe that's because while 30FPS may be all that a TV needs, a TV still has an extremely poor refresh rate and resolution compared to modern day monitors. So when using a 1280x1024 monitor at 85hz, 30FPS becomes pretty darn noticable, where on a TV it would have been masked by the TV's lack of precision and responsiveness.

People can throw around numbers like 30FPS and sound good, but if you don't examine the entire system involved then the basis for 30FPS is actually quite meaningless. Just like the argument that the human eye supposedly cannot see more than 16 million colors, therefore no hardware should ever need more than 24 bits per pixel for color.

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phial · Aug 11, 2004

arent tv's interlaced, meaning every 2nd line alternating is refreshed giving the illusion of 60hz refresh rate?

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slvr_phoenix · Aug 11, 2004

arent tv's interlaced, meaning every 2nd line alternating is refreshed giving the illusion of 60hz refresh rate?

Yes and no. That's a very short description, so perhaps not all of the meaning is coming through.

TVs do use interlacing. They render the even raster lines in one pass and then the odd raster lines in a second pass. Thus the rate of frames coming through is still a 30hz cycle, but the effective decay rate is halved as the two-pass interlace drawing method refreshes pixels on a 60hz cycle. So the images are still the same 30FPS rate, but the flicker is a 60hz rate.

Which, again, is another good point as monitors don't use interlacing now that they have better refresh rates than TVs.

Basically as I see it, the minimum FPS should closely match (or exceed) the refresh rate of the monitor to not notice any slugishness. People who have problems with their refresh rate set to 60hz will also therefore be likely to be people who notice slugishness in framerates below 60FPS. So if you up your refresh rate to 85hz (or higher) because it bugs you to be lower, you will also likely need to keep your minimum FPS at 85 (or higher) to keep a game from feeling slow.

That, I suppose, is the curse of having a more efficient nervous system. You need better hardware to keep from being annoyed. :O

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