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I bought an ATI 9600XT video card last spring. It came in a box that offered
a free Half-Life game. That was never delivered - I received a Coupon for
it.
Today I called and was informed that I must pay $10.00US to have it
shipped -- THAT'S NOT FREE ATI.
I know there were delays with the manufacturer but why should the customer
be made to pay?

--
John Mitchell
spine@wlake.com
 
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:18:26 -0800, "John Mitchell" <spine@wlake.com>
wrote:

>I bought an ATI 9600XT video card last spring. It came in a box that offered
>a free Half-Life game. That was never delivered - I received a Coupon for
>it.
>Today I called and was informed that I must pay $10.00US to have it
>shipped -- THAT'S NOT FREE ATI.

It is free via Steam, you want a physical copy, then you have to pay.
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"John Mitchell" <spine@wlake.com> wrote in message
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>I bought an ATI 9600XT video card last spring. It came in a box that
>offered a free Half-Life game. That was never delivered - I received a
>Coupon for it.
> Today I called and was informed that I must pay $10.00US to have it
> shipped -- THAT'S NOT FREE ATI.
> I know there were delays with the manufacturer but why should the customer
> be made to pay?
>


READ the fine, fine print on the coupon. It probably states the $10.00
charge for shipping and handling. Pretty cheap for a $30 - $55 game IMO.



I agree that it's not free but the definition of FREE, in regards to
merchandise, has been bastardized by merchants and manufacturers. The
so-called "free after rebate" offers really aren't because most likely you
have to pay sales tax on the pre-rebate price, maybe shipping, the cost of a
stamp or two, cost of an envelope, and the cost of making copies of the
rebate submission. There is also the cost in terms of your time if you have
to call to find out why you haven't received the rebate.



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"John Mitchell" <spine@wlake.com> wrote in message
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> I bought an ATI 9600XT video card last spring. It came in a box that
offered
> a free Half-Life game. That was never delivered - I received a Coupon for
> it.
> Today I called and was informed that I must pay $10.00US to have it
> shipped -- THAT'S NOT FREE ATI.
> I know there were delays with the manufacturer but why should the customer
> be made to pay?

Because ATI didn't include it in the box and that's why it's as hokey as
Best Buy rebate offers, perhaps? Lesson #1: Never trust promises of future
satisfaction from corporations. #2: Anything but instant rebates are either
scams, Ponzi promo gimmicks, or interest-free loans. This includes "free"
offers. This is why I bought a 9500 n.p. and softmodded it, instead of ATI's
flagship with some vague promissory note for a copy of HL2 that never came
on time. I knew it would play out like this, and I was right. #3: Doom 3
actually came with a BFG Nvidia card.

I won't buy HL2 either. Any software that requires an internet connection to
activate either gets hacked into submission, pirated, or done without. In
that order. For those with ethical restraints, remember, the companies you
are dealing with largely have none whatsoever.

> --
> John Mitchell
> spine@wlake.com
 
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:07:16 GMT, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:

>Steam is basically a "virus" that sits in the background whenever your PC is

Twat.

*plonk*
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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:07:16 GMT, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:
>
> >Steam is basically a "virus" that sits in the background whenever your PC
is
>
> Twat.

Tell me how it's not instead of being an asinine jerk...

That's how it was explained to me... It sits in the background, using memory
and CPU cycles, whenever the PC is on - even when you have no intention of
playing the game.

I made several attempts to contact Steam to ask them and all were ignored.

....so I have software in my PC that I don't need or want, that the author
will not acknowledge. Sounds just like a virus. (Virii do not have to do
actual damage to be classified as such)
 
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Working in the real world (and the world of retail selling), I assure
you it meets the legal definition of free as it clearly states `send
$10.00 US for shipping.' You are being charged shipping only, the
item is free. Just as if you download it.

Here in PA you don't pay state sales tax on clothing items but guess
what? If you have them delivered via UPS/Fed-Ex/Postal you DO pay
sales tax on the amount of the shipping. Welcome to the U.S. Where
you pay, one way or the other.

Wil

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:18:26 -0800, "John Mitchell" <spine@wlake.com>
wrote:

>I bought an ATI 9600XT video card last spring. It came in a box that offered
>a free Half-Life game. That was never delivered - I received a Coupon for
>it.
>Today I called and was informed that I must pay $10.00US to have it
>shipped -- THAT'S NOT FREE ATI.
>I know there were delays with the manufacturer but why should the customer
>be made to pay?
 
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"John Mitchell" <spine@wlake.com> wrote in message
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>I bought an ATI 9600XT video card last spring. It came in a box that
>offered a free Half-Life game. That was never delivered - I received a
>Coupon for it.
> Today I called and was informed that I must pay $10.00US to have it
> shipped -- THAT'S NOT FREE ATI.
> I know there were delays with the manufacturer but why should the customer
> be made to pay?
>
> --
> John Mitchell
> spine@wlake.com <


I got a 9800 pro with the HL coupon purchased at Best Buy last spring and
eventually received the disk although I have never run it.

If the coupon states that you are entitled to a CD with no strings attached,
I suggest you take it up with the vendor and explain that you will take it
up with the District Attorney if they do not satisfy the terms of the offer.




>
>
 
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
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> Steam is basically a "virus" that sits in the background whenever your PC
> is
> on to make sure that you have a valid version of Halflife 2 installed.
> Even
> if you aren't playing the game the Steam software is running and you can't
> play the game without it.
>
You can turn Steam off when ever you like. You can tell it to not load at
startup so you don't have to have it running at all. You can play HL2 in
"offline mode" also so Steam doesn't need to connect everytime you play the
game. Yes you have to authenticate a new copy of the game, but after that
you don't need to worry. JLC
 
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When that happens just ask for a posting of the `Corporate'
(Enterprise, call it what you will) editition of Pro and, ahem,
someone will post it for you. ;-) No more authentication server
needed. Well that's what I've heard... heavens knows I wouldn't know
first hand. ;-)

Give it a few weeks, maybe 2 months some group will release a program
to have it self authorize. 🙂 In the meantime, I can't wait to get
my CD and start playing! :-D

Keeping an eye out here for the above mentioned fix:

http://www.gamecopyworld.com/

http://www.megagames.com/

http://go.to/gamefix

http://www.avault.com/pcrl/ (excellent source for directly downloading
FULL patches and avoiding places like Fileplanet, etc.)

Wil


On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:27:31 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server are
>not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
>authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that new
>install more than 30 days.
>
 
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Never mind. LOL The files, and HL2 Steam rip, has already been
posted over in alt.binaries.cd.image.

Always just 30 seconds behind the times, LOL.

Wil


On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:46:19 -0500, Truck <noemail@thisho.use> wrote:

>When that happens just ask for a posting of the `Corporate'
>(Enterprise, call it what you will) editition of Pro and, ahem,
>someone will post it for you. ;-) No more authentication server
>needed. Well that's what I've heard... heavens knows I wouldn't know
>first hand. ;-)
>
>Give it a few weeks, maybe 2 months some group will release a program
>to have it self authorize. 🙂 In the meantime, I can't wait to get
>my CD and start playing! :-D
>
>Keeping an eye out here for the above mentioned fix:
>
>http://www.gamecopyworld.com/
>
>http://www.megagames.com/
>
>http://go.to/gamefix
>
>http://www.avault.com/pcrl/ (excellent source for directly downloading
>FULL patches and avoiding places like Fileplanet, etc.)
>
>Wil
>
>
>On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:27:31 -0500, "J. Clarke"
><jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server are
>>not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
>>authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that new
>>install more than 30 days.
>>
>
 
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Truck wrote:

> When that happens just ask for a posting of the `Corporate'
> (Enterprise, call it what you will) editition of Pro and, ahem,
> someone will post it for you. ;-) No more authentication server
> needed. Well that's what I've heard... heavens knows I wouldn't know
> first hand. ;-)

If you are willing to stake your business on warez that might be fine.
Personally if I wanted Corporate I'd get an MSDN subscription.

> Give it a few weeks, maybe 2 months some group will release a program
> to have it self authorize. 🙂 In the meantime, I can't wait to get
> my CD and start playing! :-D
>
> Keeping an eye out here for the above mentioned fix:
>
> http://www.gamecopyworld.com/
>
> http://www.megagames.com/
>
> http://go.to/gamefix
>
> http://www.avault.com/pcrl/ (excellent source for directly downloading
> FULL patches and avoiding places like Fileplanet, etc.)
>
> Wil
>
>
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:27:31 -0500, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server are
>>not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
>>authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that new
>>install more than 30 days.
>>

--
--John
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
>
snip
>
> Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server are
> not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
> authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that new
> install more than 30 days.

I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I know
you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation policy
either. So I did it out of principle. I'll gladly pay for the product if I
can install it and run it without having to jump thru what I feel are
unreasonable and time-wasting hoops in order to be able to change hardware
or install on another box, after all, since I'm the only one using it and
I'm not pirating it out left and right at all, I feel it is simply my right
to fair use. And I have zero qualms about cracking copy-protection schemes
so I can back up CDs, after all, I paid for the content, so essentially I
feel it's mine to duplicate for backup purposes if I so choose without
having to pay for a new copy. Laws aimed to combat piracy only really hurt
the honest folks and often cross the line of Fair Use, and that's where I
draw mine. If anything, copy-protection or inconvenient authentication
procedure acts as an incentive to pirate. Since cracks appear practically
right after release, I would think authors/publishers would get the picture
by now. What's next, books that can only be read once or only by the buyer?
Burning them all, perhaps?


> > I'd like
> > to be able to show it to my grandkids if I ever get around to having
their
> > parents. So I'll just wait until authentication is cracked without a
fuss,
> > and I don't have to either install Steam and compromise my firewall, nor
> > authenticate over an open, unsecured port in order to use something I
paid
> > for (after all, we can already see how Valve is with network
> > security---someone made off with their source code). Then I may buy a
> > copy. If not, it gets warezed and put on a box with multiple proxy
layers
> > and limited WAN access. No biggie.
>
> --
> --John
> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
 
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"Nerdillius Maximus" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> > Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server
are
> > not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
> > authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that
new
> > install more than 30 days.
>
> I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I
know
> you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation policy
> either. So I did it out of principle.

....and what do you do when you can't install the latests SP or update
because of your hack? Same goes for HL2, you can hack it, but what do you do
when the updates and fixes won't work because of the hack?

You shouldn't have to "break the law" to use a product that you rightfully
own just because your situation changes.

As far as HL2 goes, what happens if my ISP has a major outage or my cable
modem fails and I'm stuck offline for a number of days? It seems pretty
stupid that I can't play in this case... or if I move and can't get
internet, how about that?
 
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
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> "Nerdillius Maximus" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> > Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
>> >
>> snip
>> >
>> > Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server
> are
>> > not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if
>> > Microsoft's
>> > authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that
> new
>> > install more than 30 days.
>>
>> I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I
> know
>> you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation
>> policy
>> either. So I did it out of principle.
>
> ...and what do you do when you can't install the latests SP or update
> because of your hack? Same goes for HL2, you can hack it, but what do you
> do
> when the updates and fixes won't work because of the hack?
>
> You shouldn't have to "break the law" to use a product that you rightfully
> own just because your situation changes.
>
> As far as HL2 goes, what happens if my ISP has a major outage or my cable
> modem fails and I'm stuck offline for a number of days? It seems pretty
> stupid that I can't play in this case... or if I move and can't get
> internet, how about that?
>
>
You can play HL2 in "offline mode". You only need to activate the game once
and then you can play offline, no problem. You can check from time to time
if a patch is available then you can bring up Steam and DL the patch. How I
play offline is simple. I have the free Zone Alarm firewall. All I do is
before starting the game I bring up ZA control center and stop all internet
traffic by hitting a big stop button. Start up HL2 and then it will see that
you're not online and ask if you want to play offline. Works great. You can
also tell Steam not to load at Windows startup so I only go online with it
when I want to. The whole anti-Steam thing is getting really over done. HL2
is the most amazing game I've ever played. I had my doubts about Steam also,
but once you get into the game, you'll soon forget all about it. The game is
simply amazing. JLC
 
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"Nerdillius Maximus" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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>
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
>>
> snip
>>
>> Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server
>> are
>> not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
>> authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that
>> new
>> install more than 30 days.
>
> I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I
> know
> you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation policy
> either. So I did it out of principle. I'll gladly pay for the product if I
> can install it and run it without having to jump thru what I feel are
> unreasonable and time-wasting hoops in order to be able to change hardware
> or install on another box, after all, since I'm the only one using it and
> I'm not pirating it out left and right at all, I feel it is simply my
> right
> to fair use. And I have zero qualms about cracking copy-protection schemes
> so I can back up CDs, after all, I paid for the content, so essentially I
> feel it's mine to duplicate for backup purposes if I so choose without
> having to pay for a new copy. Laws aimed to combat piracy only really hurt
> the honest folks and often cross the line of Fair Use, and that's where I
> draw mine. If anything, copy-protection or inconvenient authentication
> procedure acts as an incentive to pirate. Since cracks appear practically
> right after release, I would think authors/publishers would get the
> picture
> by now. What's next, books that can only be read once or only by the
> buyer?
> Burning them all, perhaps?
>
>

You can actually activate XP online 4 times a year, and apparently there is
no check on the number of times you activate it by phone either.
If you get the "Your hardware has changed, please reactivate" message and
have SP1 installed you get 1 online reactivation (I assume this is if you
have used up your 4 already).

XP pro allows you 2 licenses. 1 for desktop PC and one for laptop.

I think you can change about 9 items before you get the reactivate message
(do have the list somewhere).
 
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Son of Blahguy wrote:

>
> "Nerdillius Maximus" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:4OUnd.75811$5K2.66707@attbi_s03...
>>
>> "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:cnngt50k0e@news3.newsguy.com...
>>> Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
>>>
>> snip
>>>
>>> Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server
>>> are
>>> not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if Microsoft's
>>> authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that
>>> new
>>> install more than 30 days.
>>
>> I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I
>> know
>> you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation
>> policy either. So I did it out of principle. I'll gladly pay for the
>> product if I can install it and run it without having to jump thru what I
>> feel are unreasonable and time-wasting hoops in order to be able to
>> change hardware or install on another box, after all, since I'm the only
>> one using it and I'm not pirating it out left and right at all, I feel it
>> is simply my right
>> to fair use. And I have zero qualms about cracking copy-protection
>> schemes so I can back up CDs, after all, I paid for the content, so
>> essentially I feel it's mine to duplicate for backup purposes if I so
>> choose without having to pay for a new copy. Laws aimed to combat piracy
>> only really hurt the honest folks and often cross the line of Fair Use,
>> and that's where I draw mine. If anything, copy-protection or
>> inconvenient authentication procedure acts as an incentive to pirate.
>> Since cracks appear practically right after release, I would think
>> authors/publishers would get the picture
>> by now. What's next, books that can only be read once or only by the
>> buyer?
>> Burning them all, perhaps?
>>
>>
>
> You can actually activate XP online 4 times a year, and apparently there
> is no check on the number of times you activate it by phone either.
> If you get the "Your hardware has changed, please reactivate" message and
> have SP1 installed you get 1 online reactivation (I assume this is if you
> have used up your 4 already).

FWIW, I used up my 4 long ago--it's a blasted annoyance calling Microsoft.
I was kind of surprised though when out of a clear blue sky one morning I
cranked up the machine and it gave me "Your hardware has changed, please
reactivate" and when I tried to reactivate it took it online with no
problem. I was kind of hoping that Microsoft had figured out that
activation was costing them more in support calls than it was saving them
in piracy prevention.

> XP pro allows you 2 licenses. 1 for desktop PC and one for laptop.
>
> I think you can change about 9 items before you get the reactivate message
> (do have the list somewhere).

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"Truck" <noemail@thisho.use> wrote in message
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> Working in the real world (and the world of retail selling), I assure
> you it meets the legal definition of free as it clearly states `send
> $10.00 US for shipping.' You are being charged shipping only, the
> item is free. Just as if you download it.
>


Duh.............sounds just like Best Buy droid speak when they won't honor
their corporate Price Match policy.



BTW: Got a link to "the legal definition of free?"


IMO if there is ANY kind of charge associated with a "free" item then in the
"real world" it is NOT free because I had to spend REAL money to get that
item!!!!


Buy one get one free is not really free either............that's just
another way to say 50% off the regular price.



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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
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> "Nerdillius Maximus" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:4OUnd.75811$5K2.66707@attbi_s03...
> >
> > "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:cnngt50k0e@news3.newsguy.com...
> > > Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
> > >
> > snip
> > >
> > > Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server
> are
> > > not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if
Microsoft's
> > > authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that
> new
> > > install more than 30 days.
> >
> > I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I
> know
> > you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation
policy
> > either. So I did it out of principle.
>
> ...and what do you do when you can't install the latests SP or update
> because of your hack?

I slipstreamed SP2 in there and burned it all to CD, among other things...

Same goes for HL2, you can hack it, but what do you do
> when the updates and fixes won't work because of the hack?

That might be tricky, or cracked again at some time, or maybe not terribly
necessary. For example, the Doom 3 update won't work with 98SE when it gets
hacked in the same fashion as the original release, but it's not like that's
really worth crying about, I rarely play it in 98SE, or much at all any more
to be honest. It's one of those titles that a little time makes for better
replay value IMO; next time that "duct tape" mod will be applied...

> You shouldn't have to "break the law" to use a product that you rightfully
> own just because your situation changes.

Well, I'm glad you put that in quotes, because, technically, I feel it's
just "regaining the rights to Fair Use thru whatever means necessary,
including subterfuge"...not really "breaking the law" as far as the letter
or spirit is defined...after all, I have no real desire to avoid paying for
it...

> As far as HL2 goes, what happens if my ISP has a major outage or my cable
> modem fails and I'm stuck offline for a number of days? It seems pretty
> stupid that I can't play in this case... or if I move and can't get
> internet, how about that?

Yeah, all you said are parts of my major gripe too, and there's always
Valve's history of network security to consider, but I won't beat it to
death I suppose...won't stop me from buying and enjoying the game when it
gets de-steamed and de-activated with consistent, predictable results };^).
 
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Son of Blahguy wrote:
>
> >
> > "Nerdillius Maximus" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> > news:4OUnd.75811$5K2.66707@attbi_s03...
> >>
> >> "J. Clarke" <jclarke@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:cnngt50k0e@news3.newsguy.com...
> >>> Nerdillius Maximus wrote:
> >>>
> >> snip
> >>>
> >>> Having a CD and being able to install without an authentication server
> >>> are
> >>> not the same. I have a Windows XP CD. I can install but if
Microsoft's
> >>> authentication server ever ceases to exist I won't be able to run that
> >>> new
> >>> install more than 30 days.
> >>
> >> I have a legitimate copy of XP Pro, and I managed to get around this. I
> >> know
> >> you could do it too, info's out there. I didn't like M$' activation
> >> policy either. So I did it out of principle. I'll gladly pay for the
> >> product if I can install it and run it without having to jump thru what
I
> >> feel are unreasonable and time-wasting hoops in order to be able to
> >> change hardware or install on another box, after all, since I'm the
only
> >> one using it and I'm not pirating it out left and right at all, I feel
it
> >> is simply my right
> >> to fair use. And I have zero qualms about cracking copy-protection
> >> schemes so I can back up CDs, after all, I paid for the content, so
> >> essentially I feel it's mine to duplicate for backup purposes if I so
> >> choose without having to pay for a new copy. Laws aimed to combat
piracy
> >> only really hurt the honest folks and often cross the line of Fair Use,
> >> and that's where I draw mine. If anything, copy-protection or
> >> inconvenient authentication procedure acts as an incentive to pirate.
> >> Since cracks appear practically right after release, I would think
> >> authors/publishers would get the picture
> >> by now. What's next, books that can only be read once or only by the
> >> buyer?
> >> Burning them all, perhaps?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You can actually activate XP online 4 times a year, and apparently there
> > is no check on the number of times you activate it by phone either.
> > If you get the "Your hardware has changed, please reactivate" message
and
> > have SP1 installed you get 1 online reactivation (I assume this is if
you
> > have used up your 4 already).

But assuming someone's living way out in the boonies with really poor phone
service, this really stinks. Well, scratch that. It really stinks anyway!
(Hence it must be cracked...)

> FWIW, I used up my 4 long ago--it's a blasted annoyance calling Microsoft.
> I was kind of surprised though when out of a clear blue sky one morning I
> cranked up the machine and it gave me "Your hardware has changed, please
> reactivate" and when I tried to reactivate it took it online with no
> problem. I was kind of hoping that Microsoft had figured out that
> activation was costing them more in support calls than it was saving them
> in piracy prevention.

I can't really see it's saved them much in terms of piracy prevention if at
all...from the looks of things it's been spread like *insert favorite
raunchy simile here* (peanut butter on Wonder bread, with a yomama or two
thrown in, just because it wouldn't be the same without the good ol' gal
there, all in good fun, ok?).

>
> > XP pro allows you 2 licenses. 1 for desktop PC and one for laptop.
> >
> > I think you can change about 9 items before you get the reactivate
message
> > (do have the list somewhere).

That list of hardware checks can be made very much shorter as well...

>
> --
> --John
> Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
 
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"callsignviper" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Truck" <noemail@thisho.use> wrote in message
> news:r0itp0dfp9kkfq47e5pik0q346ihbmr1i4@4ax.com...
>> Working in the real world (and the world of retail selling), I assure
>> you it meets the legal definition of free as it clearly states `send
>> $10.00 US for shipping.' You are being charged shipping only, the
>> item is free. Just as if you download it.
>>
>
>
> Duh.............sounds just like Best Buy droid speak when they won't
> honor their corporate Price Match policy.
>
>
>
> BTW: Got a link to "the legal definition of free?"
>
>
> IMO if there is ANY kind of charge associated with a "free" item then in
> the "real world" it is NOT free because I had to spend REAL money to get
> that item!!!!
>
>

So if someone offers you a free meal, do you expect them to pay for a taxi
to pick you up and take you to the restaurant.
If you had comprehension skills the voucher says "Free Game" doesn't it? Not
free to your door.

> Buy one get one free is not really free either............that's just
> another way to say 50% off the regular price.
>

or 2 for 1, same difference so what?


Why do people complain so much when they have nothing to complain about?