ATI Radeon 6000 seriers rumor to be released in october

[blackpanther26]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...schedule-first-iteration-in-october/9688.html

Popular Turkish website Donanimhaber has released an expected schedule for the release of ATI's Radeon HD 6000 series. The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series.

The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series.

The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. While the HD 5970 lowers clock speeds from the HD 5870, HD 6970 is expected to feature the same clock speeds as the HD 6870 - basically a HD 6870 in CF. This will be much like the HD 4870 X2. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December.

 

[dalta centauri]

Even if it does need 2, which i really wouldnt care much, it is set to perform ATLEAST above the 460, and very likely the 5850, both of which need 2, so it doesnt matter to me.

Yea, but it would be overall terrible to see mid class cards demanding so much power, even when you look at Nvidia's side.

I was imagining AMD releasing a quick Radeon 5790 to compete against the 260.

 

[RazberyBandit]

Delta, the 5700-series cards aren't your typical mid-class. They're gamers that begin to enter into the performance class. Not top-notch by any means, but very solid gamers. The 5670 is more the mid-class now.

I've been thinking more about this...

ATI's history basically shows them taking the x800-series cards from the prior year and knocking them down to the following year's x600-series. (Yes, I realize they're not identical and changes are made, but the theory is sound.) Last year, it was a little different - the 4800-series became the 5700-series. Of all the 4800-series cards, only one card needed two 6-pin connectors - the 4870. (The 4890 did too, but it's a bit of a different animal than the 4870.)

This time around, all the cards in the 5800-series needed two 6-pin connectors, even the 5830. I think it's pretty ridiculous to expect the new 6770 card to deliver 5850-5870 level performance while cutting away that much power draw. Doing so would probably require moving to a smaller process, which hasn't happened. If there's a 6750 (or 6730), we might see that card with only one, but I wouldn't find it unreasonable for the upcoming 6770 to have two.

If the 6770 ends up needing two, I tend to suspect the coming 6800-series will likely use one 6-pin and one 8-pin.

 

[mactronix]

Wow lots of interesting possibilities have popped up while i have been busy. I cant buy into the change of SP arrangement though as they have stated the main core wont be changed, just the Un-Core.
I can see them basically opening up the 5770 bus and clocking it higher with faster memory or some such which would hold with the German forum rumour. Bigger bus faster memory and higher clocks would probably put the card into the 2 X6 pin area i would think.
One of the review sites said during a recent GTS 450 review that they had been told by ATI that they would drop the 5770 to the same price as the 450, i have yet to see proof but they could have meant after the 6 series launch i guess ?
I flat don't believe the benchmark pics for a few reasons one of which is all the wrong info is on show. Usually its the stuff thats missing that is there but handily this one shows all the identifying info and none of the other stuff sort of back to front from what im used to with early leaked benchmarks.
Realistically it dosent matter if the card is 2 X 6 Pin or not, if youcan afford the card you can afford to run it. Im more concerned with the value the card offers rather than how much power it uses.
The reasons are there for these cards to miss teh power perf people have been used to with ATI as they were aiming for a smaller fab with these cards so any extra silicon wont benefit from teh shrink and will mean extra power obviously.

Mactronix

 

[ares1214]

Well, wether you buy it or not, AMD, on these cards, is using, barebones arch wise, 80% of the room to get 95% of the performance. Thats the 4vs5 shader arrangement. AMD can do a LOT of 20% more room, and these will obviously be a little bigger, 10-15% bigger than their counterpart in the 5xxx series was the rumor, and its seemed to hold true. If you think about it, that means these cards will overall be 30-35% "bigger" as far as the used space, and HEY, what do you know, 30-35% better performance. This was like AMD reorganizing, and then adding more shaders, TMU, and such in the new space they created. Will it run hotter, i dont think so, thats a little more controllable, but will it consume more energy? Definitely, its almost unavoidable.

 

[yanje03]

Well, wether you buy it or not, AMD, on these cards, is using, barebones arch wise, 80% of the room to get 95% of the performance. Thats the 4vs5 shader arrangement. AMD can do a LOT of 20% more room, and these will obviously be a little bigger, 10-15% bigger than their counterpart in the 5xxx series was the rumor, and its seemed to hold true. If you think about it, that means these cards will overall be 30-35% "bigger" as far as the used space, and HEY, what do you know, 30-35% better performance. This was like AMD reorganizing, and then adding more shaders, TMU, and such in the new space they created. Will it run hotter, i dont think so, thats a little more controllable, but will it consume more energy? Definitely, its almost unavoidable.

are you AMD sale man? serious, if you do, please tell dev team if they still use stupid 2.1 pci-e bus for 6xxx. many customers like me can't consider it.

 

[ares1214]

Stupid PCI-E 2.1? Nvidia is using PCI 2.0...PCI 3.0 is not used on motherboards yet, and current cards can barely saturate X8 speeds on PCI 2.0. Are you refering that you would rather them use PCI 2.0 instead? PCI 3.0 Revision 1 is scheduled for Q2-Q4 2011. So next lineup of cards at best.

 

[notty22]

Theres more leaks and rumors of re-branding now. I think thats as believable as that heaven and vantage screen shot that Fan s have latched on to.

Got this here, from Anands forum, this post is getting a cold reception, the exact opposite of 35% improvement and Nvidia is dead based on ONE random vantage screenshot . lol

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2105813
It seems our Chinese friends are rife with next generation AMD leaks and the latest one is here:
http://www.chiphell.com/thread-123528-1-1.html

It seems that dude has a friend who works at an OEM and got briefed by AMD on the upcoming products. From google translation, he is saying AMD had to scrap the plans for a brand new architecture because TSMC cannot get their 32 nm in order and they are forced to release an "upgraded" version of Radeon 5xxxx series just to compete with the GTX 460 which is giving AMD tons of headaches...

Anyone here thinks it makes sense? So isn't this a complete contradiction to what AMD has said that the 6000 series will be a completely new architecture - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2103730

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2105813

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Thats interesting, if true, then this must be garbage
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/nvidia-planning-dual-chip-gts450-card/

 

[notty22]

Thats interesting, if true, then this must be garbage
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/nvidia-planning-dual-chip-gts450-card/

OH I don't know whats going to end up being true.
There is also rumour of the 5970 replacement being based on two 6770's. IMO, thats just AMD saying they can make a version of the gtx 460. Lets see if its 220.00

 

[ares1214]

To me, BS. 6770 was suppose to have 1280 shaders, giving it 64 shaders. It was suppose to be near 5850 performance, so you tell me what sounds closer :lol: . 800 is what the current 5770 has. Also, they made it to perform closer with the 2+2 setup vs the 4+1 setup. 4/1280=320, so 4 banks of 320 shaders, just like cypress, with 1600 shader, and 5 banks, while innefficient, was 5 banks of 320 shaders. To me, BS, but its possible.

 

[Trueno07]

I just want this to lower the price of the 5850's so i can pop a second one in my system for ~200 😀

(Dream on self... Dream on)

 

[ares1214]

Yeah, but the 6770 is shaping up to be a better value than the 5850 up, so it might be a better option. The way things are, there might be a lot of overlap, and therefore AMD would drop the 5xxx series rather quickly after 6xxx is out.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

In all the rumors, the most logical one is the maturation of the 40nm process.
Weve seen improvements with nVidia. We also know theres a certain amount of redundancy built in.
If they add some improvements, a few more shaders, plus that maturation, we will see better cards, how much? Thats the question

 

[ares1214]

Well, as i said before, AMD used 20% of the die space on cypress to get an extra 5% performance. They said they changed it this time, so SI left EXACTLY the same as cypress after the loss of the 1 shader bank would get 95% performance. Now, obviously AMD would be screwing themselves by going with a card that performs 5% worse. But they also have 20% more space now because of this. Due to changing the shader arrangment, they changed things up from 5 banks of 320 shaders to 4 banks of 480 shaders. 1600vs1920 shaders now. Keeping the same thing going, Barts was to be 4 banks of 320 shaders. Of course this is all rumors that many people and sites have backed up, but rumor nonetheless. I still think that slide is a fake, even the numbers look all grainy and added in if you ask me. Is that how they always look?

 

[ares1214]

My guess is to use it as a leak test.

 

[elbert]

Given that the 6770 are said to be 10-20% faster than GF100 i'd say these prices are correct. I seen a article stating the 6770 is going to be 150 or 180 euros which is about the same in dollars. The 6770 may well be the fasted 40nm GPU so at launch it will command a higher price.
http://www.trubritarforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/5443-ati-6000-series/

I do think some of the information is wrong tho as i have seen higher numbers any specs from AMD statements.

Radeon HD 6700 Series: Posee 2 “módulos SP”, fabricada a 40nm, tendrá entre 1280 a 1536 SP, su rendimiento será entre 10% a 20% superior a GF100, tendrá un tamaño de die de entre 400 a 440mm2, se lanzará durante el 3º cuarto del 2010.

 

[notty22]

That has to be the most absurd rumor yet about the 6770.

 

[elbert]

Its a total redesign as stated in the wiki.

HD 6000 is not going to increase any more shader. Instead it will be an architectural change rather than simply wrap with more shader to increase performance. which under the new design of 4 medium complexity arrangement(4D format)it performs twice as efficient in instruction loading than older design of 4 simple + 1 complex arrangement(5D format)and given 1.5~1.8x increase in performance over the older design. under most of condition, HD6770 is overwhelming HD 5870 by widely margin of 1.3~1.5x performance in benchmark despite HD 5870 has twice number of texture mapping unit(TMU) and ALU shader.

 

[Glacier]

$479 for the 6850?

Holy crap, those prices are insane. I will not pay more than $300 for a graphics card, so if those prices are right, the 6750 is the only 6xxx card I could afford. I hope games won't require a 6xxx card until 2012 or 2013.

 

[elbert]

I am about sure the Fabrication process for the 6800's are incorrect as they should all me made on 28nm. Some information tho says AMD is opting for a larger design on 40nm for an early release.

Radeon HD 6800 Series: Posee 4 “módulos SP”, fabricada a 28nm, tendrá entre 2560 a 3072 SP, bus de memoria de 512 bits, se lanzará durante el 1º cuarto del 2011.

 

[elbert]

The most absurd rumor is the 6770 will be the GPU used for the 6970.
http://vr-zone.com/print/-rumour-amd-to-release-radeon-hd-6800-in-early-2011-mainstream-hd-6000-in-q4-2010/9744.html

Widespread rumours suggest that the first release is indeed a mainstream card - the Radeon HD 6700 series - on October 13th 2010. However, the schedules of the other HD 6800 and HD 6970 come as a surprise, especially the dual-GPU HD 6970 releasing before the HD 6800 series. Of course, the HD 6970 being a dual-GPU HD 6770 is also a possibility.

 

[infernox_01]

thats a bit weird, i thought the 6000 series was meant to be more power efficient while increasing performance, the wikipedia page shows the cards using more power, with lower idle usage. $50 for the 6300 is probably right.

 

[notty22]

It is still, because the HD6770 is to be more powerful than the HD5870, at the same time, it's TDP is still roughly around that of the HD5770s

lol , You don't really believe that do you ?
Some fanboy has edited the wiki page and added all sorts fud. Thats it, consider it all false.

 

[nforce4max]

I am thinking BS on this one and is propaganda but taken with a few tons of salt the prices are on the high side. Sound familiar any one? What a role reversal on ATI's part, one day it is about bang for buck vale then the next its like Nvidia was just a few short years ago. As for the performance rumors I don't believe them, I don't see who the 6770 being able to outperform a 5850/70 with only having a die of 195'mm2 and only 960 shaders. Either ATI has gone nuts or the fanboys are stroking their cocks. Don't call me an "nvidiot" as I own ATI cards my self. I even got PowerVR.

 

[theholylancer]

6770 at 5870 perf lvl with same thermal as 5770 on the SAME 40nm process?

pigs will fly

more like 6770 at 5850 lvl at best, with 20-30 w more power use and heat (or less if perf is lower) and priced a bit higher than what 5770s introduced at.