ATI Radeon 6000 seriers rumor to be released in october

[blackpanther26]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...schedule-first-iteration-in-october/9688.html

Popular Turkish website Donanimhaber has released an expected schedule for the release of ATI's Radeon HD 6000 series. The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series.

The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series.

The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. While the HD 5970 lowers clock speeds from the HD 5870, HD 6970 is expected to feature the same clock speeds as the HD 6870 - basically a HD 6870 in CF. This will be much like the HD 4870 X2. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December.

 

[ares1214]

Yeah, and the leaks may have been intentional. But the 6770 will likely use 2 6 pins. Its possible they just wanted to give the pre production sample as much juice as possible, but i high doubt it wont use 2 6 pins. Which is fair enough. What makes me wonder, is if 6770 is coming in with 5850-5870 performance, tess. of 480 or higher, and cost and power usage of the 460, then what happens to the 5850 and 5870??? I doubt AMD can just drop those 100's of $, so maybe they will just discontinue them entirely? Either way, some SERIOUS price cuts seem to be iminent on the upper 5xxx series.

 

[AMW1011]

Yeah, and the leaks may have been intentional. But the 6770 will likely use 2 6 pins. Its possible they just wanted to give the pre production sample as much juice as possible, but i high doubt it wont use 2 6 pins. Which is fair enough. What makes me wonder, is if 6770 is coming in with 5850-5870 performance, tess. of 480 or higher, and cost and power usage of the 460, then what happens to the 5850 and 5870??? I doubt AMD can just drop those 100's of $, so maybe they will just discontinue them entirely? Either way, some SERIOUS price cuts seem to be iminent on the upper 5xxx series.

Discontinuation sounds the most likely to me. I'm also really curious about any crossfire scaling or tessellation improvements they may bring, though I kind of doubt they will blow past the GTX 4xx series, but matching it sounds reasonable. Then again, who knows?

 

[EXT64]

Better crossfire scaling would be great, but I have no idea what that entails (all we really know is NVidia nailed it on their recent cards). Also you have to remember, as it has been in the past, often if a card is near the 1 power/2 power plug limit, they will throw in the 2nd for OCing. Not saying that is the case here, just saying even if 2 plugs is correct, we cannot fairly estimate the power consumption.

 

[AMW1011]

Better crossfire scaling would be great, but I have no idea what that entails (all we really know is NVidia nailed it on their recent cards). Also you have to remember, as it has been in the past, often if a card is near the 1 power/2 power plug limit, they will throw in the 2nd for OCing. Not saying that is the case here, just saying even if 2 plugs is correct, we cannot fairly estimate the power consumption.

Exactly. And wasn't ATI supposed to implement something hardware based for crossfire years ago? Sideport or something?

 

[ares1214]

If its borderline 1/2 6 pin, then its safe to say its 150-170 watts. And all i was hoping for from 6xxx was better drivers, better scaling, and better tess. performance. I was expecting 33% performanc jump AT ALL. But as long as they do the 3 i said, ill be a fairly happy camper. We already know it will have better tess performance, by a lot. It will have "new" drivers, and UVD 3.0, so not necessarily better, but definitely new, and i sure hope scaling is better. If its close to 4xx at launch, ill be very happy, as not only is that amazing, scaling and AA are usually the 2 things that increase most with new drivers.

 

[EXT64]

I remembered it rumored on the dual GPU cards, perhaps the 5970 or 4870X2. If an improvement along those lines were included, that would make this really interesting.

That's a lot of hopes/expectations ares :lol:
But I guess I'm hoping for that too.

 

[ares1214]

Discontinuation sounds the most likely to me. I'm also really curious about any crossfire scaling or tessellation improvements they may bring, though I kind of doubt they will blow past the GTX 4xx series, but matching it sounds reasonable. Then again, who knows?

Well, see, according to my knowledge, what AMD did this time was tie tess cores to shader cores and basically 1 tess for every so many somethings to dumb things down :lol: This isnt usually how it is, and while it entirely destroys the previous 5xxx tess performance, it means the 6770 wont have as amazing tess performance as the 6870 comparitively to performance. Even still, it looks like it could get 480 tess performance, as the 6870 really beat the 480 up in tess it seemed. Anybody know exactly what makes scaling better or not? Ive always assumed mostly software...btw, AMW, heres what all AMD fanboys have been showing everywhere for tess performance 6870 vs 480:

If you understand the way they did things this time, it doesnt surprise me, but it could be a fake.

 

[ares1214]

I remembered it rumored on the dual GPU cards, perhaps the 5970 or 4870X2. If an improvement along those lines were included, that would make this really interesting.

That's a lot of hopes/expectations ares :lol:
But I guess I'm hoping for that too.

HA :lol: Well all the leaks we have so far have been pointing to this. So why not? I generally vote for the underdog, as underdog making a comeback=competiton=pricing war=lower price=more GPU for me! 😀 I guess this means i might be pulling for Nvidia pretty soon, as right now im quite in the middle. BTW, pulling for DOES not equal fanboism 😉

 

[EXT64]

Well, in my opinion some of their (NVidia's) mid-upper cards are already appealing. I sometimes get an urge just to try them again (haven't had them since the 6800GTs) as after a while I get bored with same-old brand (which is why I went Intel for a build after a lot of AMD chips).

 

[AMW1011]

http://gpudesign.bafree.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/66672148.jpg

If you understand the way they did things this time, it doesnt surprise me, but it could be a fake.

Yeah I understand how they did it more or less, basically just a reorganization of the cores.

As for that picture, my blood pressure is through the roof with the salt in the air over this one.

 

[ares1214]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah, like i said, not known on the validity on any of these things, but it is in line with performance. Also, they made the card a LOT more efficient, as before they had a 4+1 organization, and now its 2+2. Sure, ya lost 1, but the extra 1 wasnt used 95% of the time, and so now its a LOT mor efficient. Thats why im not so sure power and heat will be at fermi levels.

 

[yannifb]

Well, see, according to my knowledge, what AMD did this time was tie tess cores to shader cores and basically 1 tess for every so many somethings to dumb things down :lol: This isnt usually how it is, and while it entirely destroys the previous 5xxx tess performance, it means the 6770 wont have as amazing tess performance as the 6870 comparitively to performance. Even still, it looks like it could get 480 tess performance, as the 6870 really beat the 480 up in tess it seemed. Anybody know exactly what makes scaling better or not? Ive always assumed mostly software...btw, AMW, heres what all AMD fanboys have been showing everywhere for tess performance 6870 vs 480:

http://gpudesign.bafree.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/66672148.jpg

If you understand the way they did things this time, it doesnt surprise me, but it could be a fake.

Not sure how much of a difference it'd make, but if that bench is right, then the 6870 might be a little faster then it already seems. The cpu reading for the 6xxx card says some i7 at 2.8 GHz (thats what i could read) and 3.06 GHz for the GTX 480. So thats a little more impressive if true.

Or AMD could have just made a ridiculously huge jump, and the card in the bench is just the new 6670


(last parts a joke btw)

 

[ares1214]

Good catch! I didnt see that People also claim something about the "2"s being different fonts, but thats BS if you ask me. It "looks" legit, but it doesnt mean it is legit. That gives the 480 an 8% higher clocked CPU, however not sure how much that affects tess performance...?

 

[Lrrr]

Those screens are probably faked AMD is dropping the ATI logo so why would it be shown as ATI it would be shown as AMD wouldn't it?

 

[sparkle_ftw]

Are these 40nm or 32nm?

 

[decode]

Those screens are probably faked AMD is dropping the ATI logo so why would it be shown as ATI it would be shown as AMD wouldn't it?

Keeping in mind that ATi/AMD only made this decision after the 68xx engineering samples were produced, that's why some leaks have ATi and some have AMD. Im not sure what there actual naming scheme will be for the 6xxx series, I don't mind either way tbh.

 

[Tamz_msc]

I heard on guru3d that the 6770 is going to be a renamed 5770
http://www.guru3d.com/news/ati-might-rename-radeon-5570-to-6770/
(the heading should be 5770)

 

[ares1214]

Actually, the only thing i heard was that the 6770 is called 6870, 6870 is called 6970, and antilles is called 6990. The 6770 isnt going to be called the 5770, that would be massively confusing.

 

[Tamz_msc]

The rumor showed up in ATI's German forum.Even though its a rumor, I would not rub it off completely.

 

[EXT64]

Well, regardless of that benchmark pic being true or not, I think we can agree it is at least a decent fake (no overly obvious flaws or insane performance). Often in the past that meant lop off 10% performance or so and you have the real card :lol:

 

[ares1214]

Ha, im not so sure this time. The way AMD did things this time would justify that. Instead of doing 4+1 cores, they did 2+2 cores, which makes things WAY more efficient for more room for other things. Due to this, Cayman now has to have a 480x4 organization of shaders, vs the conventional 320x5 of before. So now that it has 1920 shaders, and cypress only has 1600, that explains some of this performance. The tesellation now is 1 monster tesselator for every bank of shaders, where before they did it unefficiently. Factor in the 400 MHz increase to memory, probably more, or more efficient ROP and TMU, and im really not that surprised.

 

[ares1214]

This new configuration would also get 96 texture units, where as the current cypress has 80. ROP count may or may not stay the same. Some rumors say 64, but that sounds like complete BS. That would be doubling it. Maybe keeping it the same, or maybe bumping it from 32 to 40 or 48, but who knows. All the speculation, basic math, and common knowledge point the 6870 to be:

6 GHz effective, 850 MHz core, 1600 MHz memory
96 Texture units
? ROP
1 gig+
256-bit
1920 shader
Likely above 200 watts
Likely above $400

 

[wh3resmycar]

No idea if its working properly, but the new lineup uses version 3, vs. 2-2.2 of the current and older cards. So new, yes, working properly, no idea.

anyone out there who uses the avivo transcoder?

one reason why i can't move to ati anymore is that i rely on gpu transcoding for my psp. the last time i used my 4870 transcoding, jeremy clarkson had artifacts in funny places.

badaboom does its job very well.

anywho, 1 month till launch (or less) and we still don't see any sneaky sneak peak numbers. we had an abundance of "alleged" benchmarks to drool on a good 1 month before the 4800s/5800s came out. (somethings wrong with the chinese leakers).

what bugs me is that i'm going to buy a new graphics card (ati or nv) with the knowledge that it'll be no match against 56,000 tessellated samurais.

 

[RazberyBandit]

The worries about a prototype 6770 having two 6-pin power connectors seems overly dramatic. We've all seen cards released that only had one 6-pin connector installed, yet still had pins for a 2nd on the PCB before because the test version had two installed. Having extra power available for testing is part of the development process. It's entirely possible the leaked photo w/ two 6-pin connectors was a model that was purposely created to test clock speeds beyond 1GHz.

It's possible the 6700-series card(s) will need a 2nd one, but we simply don't know that with any degree of certainty. Debate regarding potential power requirements and usage of the release version based one such early photos and such of a test model is pure speculation at this point. Some concern is warranted, but it's nothing to get riled up about.

 

[ares1214]

The worries about a prototype 6770 having two 6-pin power connectors seems overly dramatic. We've all seen cards released that only had one 6-pin connector installed, yet still had pins for a 2nd on the PCB before because the test version had two installed. Having extra power available for testing is part of the development process. It's entirely possible the leaked photo w/ two 6-pin connectors was a model that was purposely created to test clock speeds beyond 1GHz.

It's possible the 6700-series card(s) will need a 2nd one, but we simply don't know that with any degree of certainty. Debate regarding potential power requirements and usage of the release version based one such early photos and such of a test model is pure speculation at this point. Some concern is warranted, but it's nothing to get riled up about.

Even if it does need 2, which i really wouldnt care much, it is set to perform ATLEAST above the 460, and very likely the 5850, both of which need 2, so it doesnt matter to me.