ATI Radeon 6000 seriers rumor to be released in october

[blackpanther26]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour...schedule-first-iteration-in-october/9688.html

Popular Turkish website Donanimhaber has released an expected schedule for the release of ATI's Radeon HD 6000 series. The first HD 6000 GPU to be released will be the Radeon HD 6700 series, codenamed Barts. The HD 6700 is scheduled for a release as early as October. As suggested by the nomenclature, the HD 6700 will directly replace the HD 5700 series.

The HD 6700 release will be followed up by Cayman in November, expected to be branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6800 series, replacing the current HD 5800 series.

The flagship will be Antilles, and branded as the ATI Radeon HD 6970. Antilles, as expected, will be a dual-GPU Cayman. While the HD 5970 lowers clock speeds from the HD 5870, HD 6970 is expected to feature the same clock speeds as the HD 6870 - basically a HD 6870 in CF. This will be much like the HD 4870 X2. The Radeon HD 6970 is scheduled for December.

 

[ares1214]

I actually think Fermi was a complete bust for Nvidia. It was like Phenom I for AMD. So ATI releases this great 5xxx series, beats everything currently out handily. 6-7 months later, Fermi comes. So we are already 6-7 months behind. Neither the 470 or the 480 are priced well, they both run extremely hot, and consume a large amount of energy, and dont even beat the 5850 and 5870 by much. After 6-7 months mid you. Now, almost a year after the 5870 launches, Nvidia STILL hasnt finished off the 4xx series, the 470 is a little bit better priced, the 480 is still overpriced, and they only really have 1-2 good cards out right now, the GTX 460 for sure, and maybe the GTS 450. Now, by the time Nvidia gets its 6th card out in the series, 5th if you discount the GTX 465 as you should, ATI is releasing their new lineup. 6 CARDS IN 1 YEAR! ATI got out 11!!! 10 if you discount the 5830, which is less dicountable than the 465. Thats almost 2x more! Now, Nvidia has to likely rush the 5xx series, or they will have to deal with the 7xxx series right before it comes out, and thats the arch change. The only way i see nvidia getting out of this is making CPU's to support themselves by other means, which they are, get back with intel, which they wont, or just rush the cards and hope their fine. Nvidia doesnt have the low end to run and hide to somewhat like AMD does as IGP is progressing in the low end. If you ask me, Nvidia needs 7xxx to be a complete bust, which i doubt, or it to take a REALLY long time to make, which is possible, and would put the 2 on even playing ground. Otherwise, heres to hoping ATI doesnt charge $1000 for a gpu *cough cough intel cough cough* :lol:

 

[Tamz_msc]

I really wish that AMD is successful with the 6000 series, but as long as the keep churning out one crap driver after another, I'm going to stick with Nvidia.

 

[ares1214]

+1 to the drivers, AMD has been falling behind on that regard, although recent ones were better. From experience, anything in the 10.x up until 10.7 or 10.8 was very bad, but the latest ones have been good.

 

[notty22]

I actually think Fermi was a complete bust for Nvidia. It was like Phenom I for AMD. So ATI releases this great 5xxx series, beats everything currently out handily. 6-7 months later, Fermi comes. So we are already 6-7 months behind. Neither the 470 or the 480 are priced well, they both run extremely hot, and consume a large amount of energy, and dont even beat the 5850 and 5870 by much. After 6-7 months mid you. Now, almost a year after the 5870 launches, Nvidia STILL hasnt finished off the 4xx series, the 470 is a little bit better priced, the 480 is still overpriced, and they only really have 1-2 good cards out right now, the GTX 460 for sure, and maybe the GTS 450. Now, by the time Nvidia gets its 6th card out in the series, 5th if you discount the GTX 465 as you should, ATI is releasing their new lineup. 6 CARDS IN 1 YEAR! ATI got out 11!!! 10 if you discount the 5830, which is less dicountable than the 465. Thats almost 2x more! Now, Nvidia has to likely rush the 5xx series, or they will have to deal with the 7xxx series right before it comes out, and thats the arch change. The only way i see nvidia getting out of this is making CPU's to support themselves by other means, which they are, get back with intel, which they wont, or just rush the cards and hope their fine. Nvidia doesnt have the low end to run and hide to somewhat like AMD does as IGP is progressing in the low end. If you ask me, Nvidia needs 7xxx to be a complete bust, which i doubt, or it to take a REALLY long time to make, which is possible, and would put the 2 on even playing ground. Otherwise, heres to hoping ATI doesnt charge $1000 for a gpu *cough cough intel cough cough* :lol:

Fanboy ALERT, you set my spam filter by repeating this phrase at least 3 times in as many posts." extremely hot, and consume a large amount of energy", First off, a failure would be if the product came out and wasn't faster than the competition. Which Fermi is. And you can't compare it with the Phenom, first off , it was broken and the chips sat in warehouses for MONTHS while AMD worked out a strategy and fix.
I won't even address the rest of your wall with 7xx speculation and other nonsense that are total unknowns. Oh and by the way, AMD charged 1000 dollars for a dual core not long ago. FX-62, which Intel destroyed when it released the Conroe at 1/3 the price.
Heres some proof for short memories.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Athlon-64-FX-62-Dual-Core-Socket-AM2-Review/340/11
It is true that dual-core Athlon 64 FX-62 is the fastest CPU from AMD, but is its price worth buying it? Its official price for distributors in the USA is quoted at USD 1,031 while Athlon 64 FX-60’s is quoted at USD 827.

 

[ares1214]

Yes, i remember that, but intel is charging $1000 for CPU's NOW. And stop calling me a fanboy for things, it gets old being called an Nvidia Fanboy, ATI fanboy, Intel fanboy, and AMD fanboy all in 1 day :lol: And ok, lets see. Does the 480 not run over 20% hotter than the 5870? Does the 480 not use about 120 watts at load and 30 more at idle? I already proved it costs 26-37% more. So how is that fanboy? Its fact. Even using Anandtech, who gave a larger lead to the 480 than Tom's, using 5 common benchmark games, Crysis, Left 4 Dead, BFBC 2, Mass Effect, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R COP, the 480 only takes the lead by an average of 8.2%. No your telling me, that 6-7 months late to the party, this isnt a failiure? If that isnt, im not sure what it.

 

[mactronix]

Nvidia has locked themselves out of a GTX 465 as they already have one, and therefore fully unlocked GTX 460 would be GTX 475. Unfortunately, A fully unlocked 460 might not beat a 470, and if it does, by a tiny margin. Other problem is the 480 is already running outrageously hot and using enormous amounts of energy. The 485, most of what they would do is up shader count from 480 to 512, and maybe up something else, likely clock. This will make a card that would just eat crazy kW and produce insane heat, as well as overclocking be limited. The 455 would likely interfere with the GTX 460 768 MB. In my opinion, their arch change has confused a lot of people, screwed up the lineups naming system, and stagered a full launch many times. NV is getting the GT430 out in mid october. The battle is over when ATI launches their next lineup before NV can finish their previous one :lol:

Nvidia have already shown that the GF 104 has a ton of headroom in its clocks and a full fat chip would easily beat out a 470, the top end pre overclocked 460 cards already do so in many benchmarks.
The next top end card is said to be a dual chip card which would be as far as current thermals and power constraints to keep under the magic 300W are concerned, as a best scenario 2 X 455 chips. This would be at a guess as the card isnt out 2 x 288 (guessing the 455 is 6 clusters working?) so 576 cores.
It is also my opinion that the 455 will indeed replace the 786 460 which could easily have been in existence just to bulk out the line up and create a bigger net to catch sales.

From what you guys are saying the idea i had about the cards all going up a performance and price segment seem to apply to this gen as well. When they said the 67xx was coming out I assumed it was the main stream card but it looks now as if it will be the bottom end performance card and so the mainstream card will now be what ? 66xx series ??

Mactronix

 

[notty22]

Yes, i remember that, but intel is charging $1000 for CPU's NOW. And stop calling me a fanboy for things, it gets old being called an Nvidia Fanboy, ATI fanboy, Intel fanboy, and AMD fanboy all in 1 day :lol: And ok, lets see. Does the 480 not run over 20% hotter than the 5870? Does the 480 not use about 120 watts at load and 30 more at idle? I already proved it costs 26-37% more. So how is that fanboy? Its fact. Even using Anandtech, who gave a larger lead to the 480 than Tom's, using 5 common benchmark games, Crysis, Left 4 Dead, BFBC 2, Mass Effect, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R COP, the 480 only takes the lead by an average of 8.2%. No your telling me, that 6-7 months late to the party, this isnt a failiure? If that isnt, im not sure what it.

It might get old being called a fanboy, but some posts exhibit just that. There are what, ? two competitors for high end discrete cards. So theres only going to be a first or second place. To call the faster card a failure , and then go on to spin doom scenarios for Nvidia, and then top off it off with your ant-Intel rhetoric, so AMD cpu division is also holier than thou, yes I think thats a fanboy.
edit: but I also mean all this in a nice friendly way. Fanboy posts break up things sometimes, so continue

 

[ares1214]

Im not saying the GF104 doesnt have a lot of clock left in it. However, if you are saying pre overclocked 460s beat the 470, well im sure pre overclocked 470s beat the 480 too. Fully unlocked and possibly slightly overclocked GF104 will likely beat the 470 by a decent margin, 10% maybe. GTX 470 is 10-20% faster than the GTX 460. Fully unlocked Fermi104 would likely 15-20% faster factoring in no clock speed increase, and everything unlocked. There, it likely wouldnt be too much faster than the 470, if really anything at all, although it should be a lot cooler and use less energy.

 

[ares1214]

It might get old being called a fanboy, but some posts exhibit just that. There are what, ? two competitors for high end discrete cards. So theres only going to be a first or second place. To call the faster card a failure , and then go on to spin doom scenarios for Nvidia, and then top off it off with your ant-Intel rhetoric, so AMD cpu division is also holier than thou, yes I think thats a fanboy.
edit: but I also mean all this in a nice friendly way. Fanboy posts break up things sometimes, so continue

Sigh...what did i say before, "amd hiding in the low end"? does that sound like an AMD fanboy speaking? Didnt i say that the 6xxx series might be "15 inches, 300 watts, and 100 C" or something like that? Does that sound like an AMD fanboy? You always call out people for being AMD fanboys, but never Intel or Nvidia ones, which MUST all the sudden mean you are a Intel fanboy, or Nvidia fanboy. Please, cut the fanboy crap, if you are going to point out my lack of intelligence, please do it by proving me wrong in the numbers i just posted, NOT going after me personally. Going around ignoring math and logic and calling people fanboys who equally like and hate everything just makes you look stupid. So please, you tell me how a 10% increase in performance, but a 26-37% increase in price, a 30-120 watt increase in energy consumption, and a jump of over 20% in temperature is REALLY worth it. The only redeeming factor of it is the tesellation, which isnt even in wide use yet. So, please quit it with the immature name calling, and just argue the numbers 😉

 

[mactronix]

Im not saying the GF104 doesnt have a lot of clock left in it. However, if you are saying pre overclocked 460s beat the 470, well im sure pre overclocked 470s beat the 480 too. Fully unlocked and possibly slightly overclocked GF104 will likely beat the 470 by a decent margin, 10% maybe. GTX 470 is 10-20% faster than the GTX 460. Fully unlocked Fermi104 would likely 15-20% faster factoring in no clock speed increase, and everything unlocked. There, it likely wouldnt be too much faster than the 470, if really anything at all, although it should be a lot cooler and use less energy.

The point i was making about the overclock is that there is nothing stopping them making a full fat GF 104 core run at 800/850 stock and upping the memory from 900 to 1005 as it is on some cards. Allowing for skimming the chips off the top performance wise and things like better cooling and power distribution on the boards i have little doubt that the 1000 mark is quite possible, at what heat and noise cost i don't know. Its basically the same as we are thinking ATI may be doing with the 6 series, boost the clocks and make a few tweaks. ATI are doing some proper tweaking though.

Even as is, without the tweaking and cherry picking, like you say a full fat chip will be better all round price included over a 470. So i think there is plenty to come from teh green team yet.
ATI are going to have to make these new cards do something special that people will want because plain better performance isnt going to cut it. A 5850 is enough for most people and i have little doubt that ATI will be throwing some big performing cards at big performing card prices at us. the question is why ? there has to be more... dosent there ??

Mactronix

 

[ares1214]

I think NV does have the lead in extra little features in some ways. Nvidia has 3D, CUDA, Physx (fail), and surround. ATI mainly has Eyefinity and display port. So i agree, they need something more to combat CUDA or Physx.

 

[dalta centauri]

I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if they secretly release a 5790 to take on Nvidia's 450/460's.

 

[deweycd]

It seems like the series 6xxx isn't going to help a lot of people who have already purchased a series 5xxx. Based on rumors the jump just isn't there unless tessel games start to come out sooner rather then later. The series 5xxx has just about every new feature on it except that it isn't nearly as good as Nvidia's 4xx in tessel.

If I have two 5850s why would I want to go to AMDs 6xxx series?

 

[jyjjy]

Considering the 6770 will have specs very similar to a 5850/5870, power consumption of a GTX 460, and price a little below a 5850

The GTX 460 uses almost exactly the same amount of power as the HD5850. So to sum up the rumors say the HD6770 basically is an HD5850.

If I have two 5850s why would I want to go to AMDs 6xxx series?

Perhaps they will polish crossfire so it scales as well as SLI.

 

[wh3resmycar]

If I have two 5850s why would I want to go to AMDs 6xxx series?

the better question is why did an upgrade idea actually crossed your mind at all?

 

[hell_storm2004]

I would agree that CUDA, PhysX and 3D are although not a must in buying, but it doesn't hurt to have them. Hope ATI come up with a supplement for these in their cards soon. ATI's drivers are not that up to the mark. I have had issues with the 10.6 to 10.8 with my HD4850. I am not sure who makes the drivers, don't they review it and try to make it better??

 

[wh3resmycar]

is the avivo video converter working properly already?

 

[hannibal]

One thing to take in consideration is that some sites say that originally??? 6000 series was supposed to be 32nm and they have to back up to 40 nm. That would explain why it is easier to produce 6700 series first because it is not so "big" and hot like 6800 will be... Well who knows. Other alternative explanation seems to be that Nvidia 460 was so good, that it needs the counter blow first... let see that also...

So far there is very little real information. Those "leaked" results are at least shady at this moment. But if the 6770 really need two 6 pins power connector the estimation of 20-30% more speed in that series sounds guite reasonable even without big architectural chances. The upper part is more problematic because of even biger power consumption. As has been said 40nm is more mature now, so better power usage is guite possible. So it is possible to make a little bit bigger chip for 6800 series without making it too power hungry. I am guite sure though that AMD wants to keep their die size advantage and not try to make the "fastest" chip at any cost. So it may be possible that we will see bigger advantages in middle range and less in upper range cards.
Well within some months we will see real news, instead rumours.

the Nvidia 450 seems not to be too big threath to AMD so the bigges stone is the boot is 460, that even get some prize drop resently. So the release of 6700 series first is the most belieable rumour we have so far.

 

[ares1214]

is the avivo video converter working properly already?

No idea if its working properly, but the new lineup uses version 3, vs. 2-2.2 of the current and older cards. So new, yes, working properly, no idea.

 

[Rustyy117]

all I want is working drivers : )

 

[deweycd]

all I want is working drivers : )

I second this motion, why can't I get equivalent scaling in crossfire as other are in SLI? Its mostly just driver, and I'm sure if ATI wanted to it could put out alteast a 10% increase in FPS just by tweeking a bit (Alteasti n crossfire).

 

[AMW1011]

ATI cards are not selling exactly cheap right now, rumours of the 67xx series being priced up to 250 dollars, how much do you think the new 5870 replacement is going to be ? I've seen 450.00 thrown around. Of course Charlie will keep telling everyone that ATI could halve its prices if they wanted to, like he has been saying about the 5 series.
Don't you think its strange that they never have ? lol
Maybe the fanboys have the pricing mechanics all wrong.

$450 sounds plausible, still not bad for the absolute best single card on the market, and it will drive the GTX 480 into complete non-profit.

I second this motion, why can't I get equivalent scaling in crossfire as other are in SLI? Its mostly just driver, and I'm sure if ATI wanted to it could put out alteast a 10% increase in FPS just by tweeking a bit (Alteasti n crossfire).

I doubt this statement, my dual 8800 GTS 512mbs scale about as well as current crossfire, but there is no way in hell I ever break 80% scaling. I believe that is more a hardware AND software advantage to the GTX 4xx series. However, I completely agree. I want crazy scaling from crossfire too!

 

[AMW1011]

Yes, i remember that, but intel is charging $1000 for CPU's NOW. And stop calling me a fanboy for things, it gets old being called an Nvidia Fanboy, ATI fanboy, Intel fanboy, and AMD fanboy all in 1 day :lol: And ok, lets see. Does the 480 not run over 20% hotter than the 5870? Does the 480 not use about 120 watts at load and 30 more at idle? I already proved it costs 26-37% more. So how is that fanboy? Its fact. Even using Anandtech, who gave a larger lead to the 480 than Tom's, using 5 common benchmark games, Crysis, Left 4 Dead, BFBC 2, Mass Effect, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R COP, the 480 only takes the lead by an average of 8.2%. No your telling me, that 6-7 months late to the party, this isnt a failiure? If that isnt, im not sure what it.

The GTX 480 is actually about 15% faster now thanks to driver increases. It is also better with tessellation, gains more performance from overclocking, and scales 10-15% better in dual card configurations. So it is easily faster if you put it all together. The heat and power consumption is an issue, but not much of one. You may end up spending an extra $10-$15 a year on powering a GTX 480 over a 5870, and the heat isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, the review-sample fan settings were horrible.

However, a good GTX 470 will be able to hit the same clocks, and is less than 10% slower clock for clock all while being even cheaper than the 5870. If anything, the GTX 480 can't compete with the GTX 470.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

After reading the posts on this thread, I'm more interested in how Nvidia is going to reply to the HD 6000 series.THe Fermi architecture was a major change from the G80 that powered the 8800 GTX when it was released four years ago.The only notable change was the GT200, which was two years ag😵n the other hand, AMD has to make major changes whenever it brings something new, and it looks that it is going to be the same with the 6000 series.But the Fermi architecture is more flexible as Nvidia has prove with the GF104.The major drawback is the die size - the GF104 has the same die size as Cypress.Hence the power consumption is high.But another important thing that is to be considered is that none of the Fermi cards have fully unlocked cores.So, if NVIDIA can make optimizations in the Fermi architecture, the battle is not yet over.

Actually, there was a greater change going to the G80 from the G70 than theres been since, as the G80 set the direction for Fermi.
Since the 2xxx series, ATI has had little change, with the biggest change also coming from the 19xx to the 2xxx series.

Many believe that nVidia is needing the die shrink for Fermi to be "perfected", and need it much moreso than ATI currently does.
That may mean theres no stopping the 6xxx series from leading this coming gen, as ATI still enjoys a big lead in dev, with Fermi coming in so late.
The big battle will be on 28nm in my mind, where we will see huge improvements from both camps

 

[ares1214]

The GTX 480 is actually about 15% faster now thanks to driver increases. It is also better with tessellation, gains more performance from overclocking, and scales 10-15% better in dual card configurations. So it is easily faster if you put it all together. The heat and power consumption is an issue, but not much of one. You may end up spending an extra $10-$15 a year on powering a GTX 480 over a 5870, and the heat isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, the review-sample fan settings were horrible.

However, a good GTX 470 will be able to hit the same clocks, and is less than 10% slower clock for clock all while being even cheaper than the 5870. If anything, the GTX 480 can't compete with the GTX 470.

15% is fair i suppose for performance, ive generally seen 8-12% average, but ok. Tesellation, like i said, currently isnt much of a factor, but yes, its better with that. It overclocks like 2-5% better i believe, so not really seeing that one. And scaling is better, yes, but then you double all the other firgures, so i was just talking about 1 5870 vs 1 480. Me and madadmiral actually calculated it based on average use, i believe it was close to 50$ a year? Ill go re-run the numbers, but it definitely isnt a small amount. The 480 is just a bad card IMO, 470 is a OK contender. Im not saying Nvidia is down and out permanently, but NV certainly screwed the pooch on this one :lol: These cards are also a lot more expensive to make, so NV isnt making nearly as much money as the cheaper 5xxx. Also, as you said, $450 for a 6870 actually sounds normal to me? The 480 already costs around that mark, and the 6870 is suppose to beat it by 20%. Even if you take the 5870 and add performance of 33%, about what it seems to be getting on to the price, the cheapest 5870 is $350, 350x1.3=465, so $450 seems reasonable to me...