Question AX3 Router sort of restarting randomly? I get booted out of games

random5 · Nov 17, 2022

Hello, I am using Huawei AX3 router, recently bought. Sometimes several times in an hour, sometimes less often like once in couple hours router appears to reset itself, it's barely noticeable and I only noticed after I turned off the LED indicator light and seen it light up again in moments like these.

Speed is decent and the internet seems to reconnect in fraction of a second, so it's no issue for studying or work, but I keep getting booted out of online games like Runescape and Tower of Fantasy and have to relog like 20 times every day (inputting password and everything), making any multiplayer content impossible for me due to these random disconnects. The online stability tool I used (VSee Network Test) showed that during moment I get disconnected, the packet loss very briefly reaches 2% before immediately going down again:

And here's the packet loss data:

All information I found online says that such amounts seem to be acceptable and I only should witness some stutter at most instead of just outright disconnection from games? Is that true?

What do you think could be behind this? I made sure that my router's firmware is updated, UPnP is on, it's in open space, it's not hot, only slightly warm so definitely not overheating only two devices are currently connected to it and it has direct line of sight to the computer (Intel AX 200 Wi-fi adapter on laptop, it has no such issues when I'm connected to Wi-fi in other apartments or workplace).

Closest, but not identical issue I could find online was described here: Router Resets Itself During Games | Tom's Hardware Forum (tomshardware.com)

I've researched, but couldn't find how to find and export router logs as all documentation I could find seemingly pertains to some different routers with different firmware which is nothing at all like mine, this is what I found:
Troubleshooting Cases: Device Restarts Unexpectedly - AR Router Troubleshooting Guide - Huawei
Log Management - AR100, AR120, AR150, AR160, AR200, AR1200, AR2200, AR3200, and AR3600 V200R009 Web-based Configuration Guide - Huawei

bill001g · Nov 17, 2022

If the router actually is rebooting or getting a error you should see it in the log. It should affect all devices in your house at the same time if it is the router.

What it might be is WLAN autoconfig. This is a older issue that microsoft fixed but we have seen this type of question about regular outages again so maybe microsoft put out another patch that broke it again. You can try to disable the wlan autoconfig service. It makes it hard to connect to a new network with it off so you likely will have to turn it on again. What has been reported is microsoft has decided that you need this on so even if you disable it they will reactivate it after some period of time. There are people who modify the registry to prevent microsoft from doing this, microsoft is getting worse and worse about not understanding that they do not actually own the computers they are breaking.

random5 · Nov 17, 2022

bill001g said:
If the router actually is rebooting or getting a error you should see it in the log. It should affect all devices in your house at the same time if it is the router.

What it might be is WLAN autoconfig. This is a older issue that microsoft fixed but we have seen this type of question about regular outages again so maybe microsoft put out another patch that broke it again. You can try to disable the wlan autoconfig service. It makes it hard to connect to a new network with it off so you likely will have to turn it on again. What has been reported is microsoft has decided that you need this on so even if you disable it they will reactivate it after some period of time. There are people who modify the registry to prevent microsoft from doing this, microsoft is getting worse and worse about not understanding that they do not actually own the computers they are breaking.

But how do I even find the router logs for my router? If I could find that, I could check if it happens for all devices or just by computer.

bill001g · Nov 17, 2022

Depends on your device. Easy way is to leave a constant ping run to the router IP. When the main pc had issues you could check the other one and see if there was loss in the ping. You have to check pretty quickly even a couple minutes and the ping data will likely roll out of the buffer.

So I find almost nothing useful when looking for the manual for that router. It does not even show what the main menus look like. Not sure could be because I am looking for a manual in english and huawei stuff is mostly sold in countries other than the USA because of the government restrictions on huawei products.

If it is a simpler router designed for a user that is lucky to understand they have to plug the power in, it may not have advanced features....not that a log I would consider advanced. All you can do is dig around and see if it has one.

random5 · Nov 18, 2022

bill001g said:
Depends on your device. Easy way is to leave a constant ping run to the router IP. When the main pc had issues you could check the other one and see if there was loss in the ping. You have to check pretty quickly even a couple minutes and the ping data will likely roll out of the buffer.

So I find almost nothing useful when looking for the manual for that router. It does not even show what the main menus look like. Not sure could be because I am looking for a manual in english and huawei stuff is mostly sold in countries other than the USA because of the government restrictions on huawei products.

If it is a simpler router designed for a user that is lucky to understand they have to plug the power in, it may not have advanced features....not that a log I would consider advanced. All you can do is dig around and see if it has one.

Hello, like you, I could not find the router logs anywhere and for some reason cmd pinging appeared fine on the laptop, here's a section of the results:

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Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.3.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.3.1:
Packets: Sent = 1024, Received = 1024, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 14ms, Average = 1ms
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However, I did seem to catch the moment I got disconnected from the game on my phone using pingtools while pinging at the same time, pretty much entire packet loss consisted of "connection timeout", which had timestamps spanning over 10 minutes (sequence 296 is almost 10 min earlier than sequence 302) even though it lasted merely few seconds and only 5 pings were missed before returning back to where it was previously :

Clicking on ping statistics showed no errors:

random5 · Nov 18, 2022

I also just tried disabling WLAN autoconfig, both via command prompt and via services.msc, if anything they've only removed any wi-fi networks detection on laptop at all, so wasn't able to connect to anything or outright made the Wi-fi option disappear in the taskbar, so I had to re-enable them.

bill001g · Nov 18, 2022

I forget how you connect with that disabled. Microsoft "fixed" the autoconfig issue maybe 6 months ago but never really said anything but you didn't see ports on forums complaining about wifi drops as much. Now we see this again and some people are blaming the latest windows update. You never really know when microsoft decides to put out a patch that has massive amounts of stuff that breaks as many things as it fixes.

In any case because the phone also saw the problem it is not a windows setting.

This really does look like it is a router failure or at least the wifi chip in the router.

That router seems extremely basic but again I can't really find a manual and since it is not sold/used in the USA you do not find much from end users. I can find almost nothing about setting the device up.

I will at least assume you can get firmware from huawei and the router has the ability to be updated ? This tends to be the best thing to try first when you suspect issues with the router.

What you might also try is to force it to use 2.4 or 5g radio. Depending on how it is setup you will want to change the SSID on the 2 radios to different names so you can force a connection to the radio chip you want. In general since there are 2 different radio chips they tend to not both fail at the same time.
Still you can't really fix a broken chip but if you can live with the slower speed say if 2.4g works it might be a option.

At some point you just blindly try to replace the router. It would be so much better if there was some kind of log. You could at least tell if there might be something inside the router, I mean it can also be that the power adapter has a issue but you don't even have a clue if there is not log to look at. You could end up spending money on something that is not the problem and have to replace the router anyway.

random5 · Nov 18, 2022

bill001g said:
I forget how you connect with that disabled. Microsoft "fixed" the autoconfig issue maybe 6 months ago but never really said anything but you didn't see ports on forums complaining about wifi drops as much. Now we see this again and some people are blaming the latest windows update. You never really know when microsoft decides to put out a patch that has massive amounts of stuff that breaks as many things as it fixes.

In any case because the phone also saw the problem it is not a windows setting.

This really does look like it is a router failure or at least the wifi chip in the router.

That router seems extremely basic but again I can't really find a manual and since it is not sold/used in the USA you do not find much from end users. I can find almost nothing about setting the device up.

I will at least assume you can get firmware from huawei and the router has the ability to be updated ? This tends to be the best thing to try first when you suspect issues with the router.

What you might also try is to force it to use 2.4 or 5g radio. Depending on how it is setup you will want to change the SSID on the 2 radios to different names so you can force a connection to the radio chip you want. In general since there are 2 different radio chips they tend to not both fail at the same time.
Still you can't really fix a broken chip but if you can live with the slower speed say if 2.4g works it might be a option.

At some point you just blindly try to replace the router. It would be so much better if there was some kind of log. You could at least tell if there might be something inside the router, I mean it can also be that the power adapter has a issue but you don't even have a clue if there is not log to look at. You could end up spending money on something that is not the problem and have to replace the router anyway.

As I have said in the initial post, I made sure the firmware is updated before posting this. Here's the evidence from the web menu accessed via IP (I could not find logs or their export there anywhere at all for many many times):

I did also change from dual-band to single band as well. To the 5GHz one as the 2.4GHz is meant for appliances and similar less complex devices which I don't need as much for work and leisure.

I bought the router this year and it's one of the most popular options which my ISP recommended here in Europe. I will try to force 2.4GHz.

random5 · Nov 18, 2022

I tried running 2.4GHz band, same result. Probably should try another router and put this one to guarantee service?

random5 · Nov 18, 2022

The disconnects got a lot more frequent now for some reason, once in few minutes. I closely monitored the CMD ping tool and when it happened... it just didn't submit any pings for few seconds and then resumed as normal. I'm not sure if it is of any use towards finding the solution?

bill001g · Nov 18, 2022

Try a ethernet cable. It will show you if it is the router itself or if it is a wifi only problem. Not that you can actually fix just the wifi part of the router.

random5 · Nov 18, 2022

If I can't fix just the wifi part then even trying that doesn't really matter? I'll just wait to get my hands on another router to check if it is router or my ISP doing something wrong.

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