Ballmer Says Windows 8 Will be Pretty Important

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[citation][nom]lilotimz[/nom]since when has windows ever been $300-400?Windows OEM versions start at around $100 and retails around $180...if you want t complain about an OS that cost $300-400 then go look at Apple products.[/citation]

you are forgetting ultimate. the highest tier.
 
[citation][nom]lilotimz[/nom]since when has windows ever been $300-400?Windows OEM versions start at around $100 and retails around $180...if you want t complain about an OS that cost $300-400 then go look at Apple products.[/citation]

Well just to state some facts, Windows 7 Ultimate Retail is $319.99, yes it is cheaper elsewhere online, but you risk getting a bootleg version which I myself have experienced, though I got my money back and bought the real thing.

As for Windows 7 OEM, it's locked to the motherboard you activate it on so you get one use. Don't plan on upgrading unless you want to either call them up and complain your way through activating your own software you purchased, or shell out more cash for another copy.

Also, not to defend the other commenters' behavior or anything but, Microsoft like most software and/or pre-built computer companies make the grand majority of their money from businesses and corporations.
 
[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]People like you is why we pay so much for software. The fact you're proud of it shows how pathetic you are.[/citation]

Oh yes software was soo much more cheaper before pirating. Next you are going to tell me that buying music from stores before pirating was so much cheaper too right. LOL
 
[citation][nom]fyasko[/nom]ballmer is ruining MS[/citation]
He's already ruined MS. They are becoming less and less relevant and are at a point where being over taken by Google is and imminent reality.

I'll give them about 5 more years before they are pushed out of the desktop PC business. In 10 years they'll be lucky to have any major presence in the industry at all. The shareholders that want to keep this idiot in are going to be in for a rude awakening once Google starts to seriously push themselves into the OS market.
 
[citation][nom]td854[/nom]Well just to state some facts, Windows 7 Ultimate Retail is $319.99, yes it is cheaper elsewhere online, but you risk getting a bootleg version which I myself have experienced, though I got my money back and bought the real thing.As for Windows 7 OEM, it's locked to the motherboard you activate it on so you get one use.[/citation]
Only morons pay $300 for a retail copy of windows, but then since you don't know how to activate an OEM copy on a different motherboard and also got tricked into paying for a bootleg version....well....yea, I guess you would buy the $300 retail version lol
 
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]Only morons pay $300 for a retail copy of windows, but then since you don't know how to activate an OEM copy on a different motherboard and also got tricked into paying for a bootleg version....well....yea, I guess you would buy the $300 retail version lol[/citation]
This.
 
It's not about making it better and better and... Its about their new business model which can allow MS to survive a bit longer. Honestly, new Windows OS'es features cannot justify switching to new releases. It is only policy of supporting OS for limited period of time that forces users to switch to new versions, which, in fact, are more and more bloated, so they require more and more support.
 
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]Only morons pay $300 for a retail copy of windows, but then since you don't know how to activate an OEM copy on a different motherboard and also got tricked into paying for a bootleg version....well....yea, I guess you would buy the $300 retail version lol[/citation]

ahh sorry but hes right...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Windows+7+Ultimate+-+Windows/9539396.p?id=1218121171373&skuId=9539396&st=windows%207&lp=9&cp=1

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Windows+7+Professional+-+Windows/9539378.p?id=1218121171855&skuId=9539378&st=windows%207&lp=8&cp=1

Of course newegg currently has it on sale...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717&cm_re=windows_7-_-32-116-717-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116718&cm_re=windows_7-_-32-116-718-_-Product


But the fact remains that a full copy is still 300 bucks and like another reviewer said they have you by the short hairs and they know it. About all I use my OS for is holding other programs not made by microsoft, except office, calculator, notepad, and remote desktop (my work blocks the other types of rdp). So I should have to pay 300 bucks to get the full unlocked version of their software just so I can rdp to my home pc? Its that type of thinking, that herd mentality, that puts people like you in the pockets of people like Balmer. Its not that I dont have the money for it its that that's way too high to get what I need out of an OS. Could I buy an upgrade version for less sure... but that requires I purchase or already have a version of windows and most prebuilt system "os restore" disks dont work for that.
 
[citation][nom]lutel[/nom]It's not about making it better and better and... Its about their new business model which can allow MS to survive a bit longer. Honestly, new Windows OS'es features cannot justify switching to new releases. It is only policy of supporting OS for limited period of time that forces users to switch to new versions, which, in fact, are more and more bloated, so they require more and more support.[/citation]

Yes, because Microsoft sends over the heavies to hold you in a Headlock whilst threating to spill the Kittens milk if you don't upgrade to their latest OS.. . . Come on!

What exactly do you want! What exactly do you expect from one of the largest software houses in the world!

Your argument would leave you still dabbling on a c64, no-one told you to move on, technology moves regardless, its your choice to decide to move with it or not, hell Ive still working PC's from eons ago that are no longer useful in a modern world, they still work, and will probably long after I am dead, If you don't change what they were designed to do!

Microsoft have pretty much single handedly forged the modern computing world for home users over the years, more so that all other software houses free and paid for put together since the advent of the Modern Personal Computer!

What the heck do you want, Microsoft to say hey yes, buy windows 95, we will support it for 100 years, sure no problem!

How long does the warranty last on all your other products you purchase, lets see, your car, your tv, your microwave, your phone, yes microsoft has provided long term support for Windows XP longer than what was reasonably required, thats how good they are!

Why the heck do you think its wrong for a Business to want to make money? Thats the purpose of Businesses, to make money, to pay its employees.

The amount of money directly paid out to Microsoft employees is immense, thats roofs over families heads, food for families, would you deny them that!

Never mind the MASSIVE turnover of other companies and private businesses that rely on Microsoft Products for their own survival!

Do you think Google would be with us today if it was not for Microsoft, or all the games Developement houses like Blizzard, rage, epic, EA Games, Activision ect, Security companies, private bespoke software houses, hell lets get in to the hardware side of things...If microsoft did not push new OS features that require faster hardware, would there be such a development pace in hardware design, think of the money that goes it to new hardware, it pays salaries to people, keeps the economy moving!

Bet you wish microsoft said "yeah, here we go, buy Windows 95, get free upgrades for extra features we put in for life, sure we don't need any extra money to invest in our product from this point onwards"
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Microsofts policy for supporting one of its OS products for a specific amount of time is its own choice to make as a Business! It does not owe anyone anything, It does not have to give explanation of this to anyone, if you don't like it, don't use it, go buy an Apple, or learn how to use Linux!

From the outset, every release of Microsoft windows OS has been better and better, with new features added that are worth paying for! they have made mistakes, Win ME which they killed moving to NT based Win 2000 and Vista ( Which they fixed creating a superb Windows 7) they should have just said bollocks to everyone moaning about the long release period between XP and Vista and carried on developing till its current state to release. But everyone wanted more, wanted a better OS than XP, were shouting out for it, for more features! And after that, now they moan about having to upgrade!

Microsoft survive a bit longer HAHA, just wait and see, they are Big, and Dynamic, they have been slumbering along, but realize they need to move quick to stay relevant, and they have stoked their internal fires to get results..

Just wait for it, Windows on Every device, that same experience on all your devices, phone, tablet, laptop, PC, Console, your Music, Games Docs, Digital life seamlessly accessed across any device you own, that is the future!
 
Windows 8 is really not new its windows 7 phone os redone for desktop pc's with added functions and call it windows 8.
I hope they add more security this time most users i have seen get constant fake av infections even with kaspersky IS 2011 installed or any av for that matter.
 
@moricon i'm quite happy i stepped on foot of microsoft fanatic 😉 Ok ok... getting to the point - i don't blame microsoft just because they want to make money and stay in the market, i admit we can't overvalue their influence on modern IT. But IT world is evolving much quicker than MS is able to adapt to, at least it looks to me like that. They are quickly loosing mobile market, they almost lost complete supercomputer market. Because of their contribution into IT I honestly wish MS best, but now instead of moving towards SaaS architecture and compete with Google, they stick to old, obsolete model of software development and deployment. I think it's already to late for MS, they are too big organisation to do quick turn. People really don't need gazzilions of bells and whistles that MS is putting into OS'es, ae they are already provided by 3rd parties with better quality, support and communities. People enjoy simple but productive solutions, and MS should get some lessons of it from Google. MS made people belive Windows 7 is huge leap from XP, but IT IS NOT. 7 is not faster, is not more stable, and it's eye-candies are just... eye-candies.
 
@lutel

I am not a Microsoft fanatic! you have not stepped on anything! Your first statement is completely different in terms of content than your reply!

I use Windows, Linux and Android in my household! I have built thousands of Custom machines in my time,from Windows servers to High End Gaming machines, and I can tell you, Windows 7 is faster, more reliable and more secure on modern hardware than windows XP!

The vast majority of People do want new features, and eye-candy! They want customization, individuality, they want special effects, and cool graphics, they want added, Microsoft did not make everyone believe Windows 7 is a huge leap from XP with words, they did it with the product, windows 7 IS a huge leap from XP!

Not one of my customers will ever go back to XP now they are running Windows 7, in fact, they have pretty much thrown out XP the moment they use Windows 7 by replacing the XP machines or upgrading if the hardware allows, and the biggest thing they are attracted to, is the bells and whistles of Aero, and Snap, and Desktop Themes, all the bling.

No-One needs more car than a ford Fiesta, but they want better!

In your argument, If all people want is productive, bells and whistle free solutions, why is Microsoft the prevalent OS and not Linux, which offers exactly this clean productive no-nonsense operating system you talk of!

I run Linux, its a fantastic office work platform, it does everything you need, and irrelevant how many people I demo it to in the sale alongside windows 7 when selling new PC's to my customers, they almost always prefer Windows even though it costs more!

Looking through my records, this year, I have a 4-1 callout rate between XP machines and Windows 7 machines on my customer database!, standing at this moment I have just about 38% of my customers still on XP! It clearly is more reliable in my world of support!

I do agree, this is the testing time right now on how quick Microsoft can adapt, and they are the only ones who can get it right for themselves, its just like the AMD/Intel Fight, and look how Intel got through that one! Only time will tell how well they adapt, and windows 8 is the first benchmark!

For interests sake, what would you see as the right steps for Microsoft to take, or who would you see replacing 85+ percent of all the Personal computers OS with!
Its not a question of need, its a question of want!

I am personally still routing for Linux to be the game changer by the way!
 
@moricon i also "build" thousands of XP machines using customized sysprep images and i have a lot of experience in AD management in big enterprise, strangely enough, me and my work coleagues has complete opposite impression that yours - windows XP was much more stable, managable and faster than Windows 7 which we struggle to deploy in biggest insurance company in one of the countries (over 14k workstations). The only one point to upgrade is that XP goes end-of-life, and thats the only reason. Other than that, Windows 7 is true pain in ass in corporate network. Windows 7 is customizable? Its a joke... You can't even get to XP-like start menu, and don't tell me the new one is better, tell it to thousends of users.
I don't have any recipe for MS, but i can see their future. They lost mobile market, they lost supercomputers. Next market they will lose will be desktop, as in the future most applications will be "served" as services and people will switch to very thin OS like Chromium. And finally they will lose server market, as this market will migrate to cloud computing which is already taken by Linux. I don't see bright future for MS in 15-30 years from now.
 
I'm not familiar with the W8 interface (will be playing with the Beta eventually), but I see it being extremely versatile if they restructure it for tablet-pc hybrid interfaces.

I think the best example would be something like the Asus Transformer, but with a W8 interface. The tablet interface could run without the keyboard, but if you need to sit down and do "actual" work, just plug in the keyboard dock and you get the traditional Windows desktop interface.
 
Stevie Wonder can spin it anyway he wants.

The reality is the core growth in personal and small business computing will be cloud based.

And as it grows, operating systems like Windows and Mac will essentially become irrelevant. Linux renditions have the chance to make huge gains in the next decade. Just take a look at the new release of Ubuntu. Can anyone really justify $100 for Windows when something this decent is free?

Want proof? Stevie and the drones are already readying a cloud version of Office. This HAS to be the stupidest move ever.

If you hold MS stock, dump it now. Apple will be fine. They are just too diverse for what is about to happen. Besides, there are always going to be folks that buy their boxes and os. Let's face it, no one can design and build hardware and peripherals like them
 
[citation][nom]aaron88_7[/nom]Only morons pay $300 for a retail copy of windows, but then since you don't know how to activate an OEM copy on a different motherboard and also got tricked into paying for a bootleg version....well....yea, I guess you would buy the $300 retail version lol[/citation]
i got my win7 for 30$, well... for little brother, but thats that. if i had to get it myself, i would look around more, but fact its, win 7 ultimate retails over 300$.
 
[citation][nom]lilotimz[/nom]since when has windows ever been $300-400?Windows OEM versions start at around $100 and retails around $180...if you want t complain about an OS that cost $300-400 then go look at Apple products.[/citation]

A) OEMs start at about $90 (from retail channels - but Dell, HP pays about $20 per licence for Home editions) Retail home is $190, Pro is $270 with Ultimate at $280 (if you're going to close to $300, might as well spend the $10 on ultimate)

B) MS is a rip-off for these retail / upgrades. There should be NO "upgrade" versions. Simply a $100 retail version (home) that can be used to upgrade. So these $100 OEM versions are a side-version for end-users or for small PC shops which leaves them in a very non-competitive position against the likes of DELL, HP, etc.

C) Apple sells its OS for about $30~50 and you can install it on 5 Macs...
 
Just how cheap do OEM's (e.g. Dell, H-P, Lenovo, etc.) get Win 7? For some cheaper systems, adding up the HW costs comes surprising close to what they're selling the whole system for - leaving little to no margin for the OS. Anybody know just how intense the discount is from MS?
 
belardo - you were reading my mind as I was typing. You're saying H-P pays $20 for Win 7 home. Sounds about right (although wrong!)
 
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