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Simply that its a God given right to own a gun. Protestant is really just a grouping of a majority of religions in America. I would say it would be more correct to label it religious rhetoric.
 
I guess what it really comes down is a conservatives have no problem with the status quo gun control advocates are not happy with the status quo and want change.

Of course other countries gun laws wont work, thats because we need our own laws, and our own system that works aside from not doing anything.

To tie in the Brazilian reference the Ban was turned down in 2005 (Thanks Wikipedia!) with 63% support, wouldnt it be terrible if someone redistricted or changed the way the votes are counted? Because that really is Mob rule....... :sarcastic:
 
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Not sure why the reference to God is there, are you?
 

What everyone wants is good background checks, a better understanding of those who shouldnt obtain or own weapons, and a better implimentation of these things, so things are done in a good and expediant way.
Not to include restrictions against those who are innocent, but to prevent those who arent, or found unable to do so.
 
For freedoms and liberties, it seems too many times these things are easily given away, such as the TSA transgressions against each of us.
To have such an obtuse view of who we are, why then, someone with whom we fought understood us so much better?
"In this character of Americans, a love of freedom is the predominating factor...," he says. Its English origins account for this predominance, as well as for its being particularly bound up with the issue of taxation rather than other issues germane to freedom. The fact that American government is deeply representative of the populous also accounts for the American penchant for freedom, as do the Protestant religion in the north which loathes government control, and the slavery-based society in the south which harbors a palpable contempt for unfree people. Americans' high level of legal education make them zealous and able advocates of their rights. And the remoteness of America from the English government has also contributed its spirit of freedom."

The fact is, Burke understood who we are better than some today, and warned against the very things some cling to here, and in his own country.
To tread too far away from this is simply treading on others

 
I agree but let's not oversimplify the issue. Look at the existing federal gun laws.

1934 - Fully automatic firearms regulated by the federal government, set the minimum barrel length at 16", banned gadget-type firearms (cane-guns and other hidden firearms), taxed gun makers $200 per gun made, and required gun buyers apply to the Treasure Dept for approval.
1938 - Requires anyone selling a firearms be specially licensed to engage in such commerce. Requires gun dealers to record the name and addresses of everyone they sold a gun to and also required them to deny sales to anyone convicted of certain crimes or who did not have a permit.
1968 - Licensing requirements expanded to include more dealers, required more detailed record keeping, restricted handguns sales over State lines, outlawed the mail order sales of rifles and shotguns, and the list of person prohibited from purchasing firearms grew to include anyone convicted of a felony, the mentally incompetent, and drug users.
1972 - The BATF created to enforce federal gun laws.
1986 - Banned armor piercing ammunition (except for military use), eased some restriction on gun sellers and the sale of some firearms but increased the penalties for anyone convicted of using firearms while committing a burglary or robbery, and who illegally shipping firearms.
1990 - Created the "Drug free/Gun free" School zones. Increased penalties for possessing or discharging a firearms in a school zone. Outlawed the assembly of already illegal firearms from legally imported parts.
1994 - Created the National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS). The now infamous "Assault Weapons Ban"; repealed in 2004 although several States maintained the AWB restrictions.
2013 - The proposed Obama'/Feinstein gun control/assault weapons ban.

The above list does not even include the exhaustive list of State laws that restrict, ban, or prohibit the sale and/or purchase of firearms.

So with that said, I am intentionally going to contradict myself. Yes, conservatives are happy with the status quo of gun control laws, but No, conservatives are NOT happy with the status quo. The heinous acts of murder by the mentally unstable and willfully criminal are unacceptable. The intention to further remove Constitutional rights from law-abiding gun owners is unacceptable. The ability to turn a law-abiding gun owner into a criminal with the passing of a new gun ban is unacceptable.

I have yet to hear a compelling argument that explains how another ban or more gun laws would prevent what happened in Newtown, Virginia, Tech, Aurora, or Columbine from happening. After all, it has been illegal for a convicted criminal and the "mentally incompetent" to purchase or own a firearm of any type since 1938! Knowing the existing list of Federal gun laws and the list of State laws, I have no choice but to conclude the only purpose and intent for further gun bans or further purchasing restrictions is to prohibit the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.

Just because conservatives are happy with the status quo of existing federal gun control laws does not equal the progressive narrative that conservatives do not want to do anything. That an old progressive tactic, "if you are not for the same thing I am then you must be against it".

America has the budget, America has the resources. Instead of letting 2500 firearms slip across the Mexican border to be used by the drug cartels to kill border agents, how about putting the 2500 rifles in the hands of the National Guard or citizen volunteers willing to protect the American border from the influx of illegal drugs?
 


Where in the constitution does it say that its a God given right to own a firearm? Simple question.
 


Your missing the point, we live in a Republic, not a Theocracy.
 
Instead of law abiding and such terms, change that to innocent, and change those law breakers to guilty.
Terms mean alot to some people, its their mindset, and interferes with their thinking.

I didnt mention guns n God, Lincoln mentioned the entirety of this nation and its laws were under God, so, ignore the past, and affix it on me somehow.
I asked earlier, do you know why?
I just gave one example, there are many more
 
Again, there is no deflection, my response contains this country, its laws and well being are under God, and says as much in the most popular and important speeches in our history.
So, to continue such thinking isnt adding into what specifically what the constitution says as written, but simply ignoring such things written in our history by some.
So, the deflection starts with you
 
Your thinking is way off in a fantasy world. Maybe you are hearing to many right wing radio shows to even think like this.To many conspiracies you are thinking about always.
 


I agree, I think those events are lucky for the administration coincidences rather than anything they perpetrated. Catastrophes do occur from time to time. For example, there was a gas plant in Texas that blew up and the Virginia Tech shooting that happened when Bush was President. Both are roughly analogous to the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe and the Newtown, MA shooting in terms of being able to affect politics. The things that happened during Obama's reign just happened to happen during Obama's reign, and Obama being a politician, will try to use them to further his political agenda.

I doubt there is much for false-flag conspiracies of any significance going on out there. The problem with a conspiracy of any significance is that you have to have several or more people involved and any one of them can make a huge name for themselves in blowing the whole thing open. Look at Watergate. Or more recently, the Lance Armstrong doping scandal. Somebody eventually came forward and blew the whole thing wide open. The only "conspiracies" of the left are things like the desire to mirror Europe's disarmed population and intrusive Big-Brother socialist entitlement state. But we all know that, it isn't a secret. However, false-flag conspiracies make for excellent novels.
 
ROFL :lol:

It's amazing that any opinions here that think you've arrived at a solid conclusion will all be for naught, banning assault weapons is just the tip of the Iceberg.

What's going to happen, is going to happen, it's all falling into a well laid out plan that we all have absolutely zero control over, with individual opinions.

Maybe you'll all feel better in the end saying I told you so, but until then, all you'll do, is watch the puppet show!

Unfortunately for Americans our population will be the last to figure it out, as they're all too used to living in the sheep syndrome, and are too used to being a part of the wave, just don't rock the boat and all is well.

After all we're free, and have freedom of speech right!

Sure you do, just don't get too loud about it, or you'll discover how far that actually goes!

Kent State is a good enough example.

And we also have the right to bear arms Right?

Sure you do, just don't get too loud about it, or you'll discover how far that actually goes!

Wake Up America!

 
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/29/dianne-feinstein/dianne-feinstein-says-one-five-law-enforcement-off/

I thought this was an interesting addition to the "Assault Weapons" discussion.
 
I think so OMG_73! I think so! About damned time...

Heck, we must be because here's johnsonma actually referring to the Constitution as the baseline authority to support his argument! Wonders will never cease!
 
While I agree with " what will happen will happen" I do not agree that what will happen is the result of some great New World Order type conspiracy. It will happen because the Sheople allow it to happen to themselves. Ignorance is bliss and there is no sense if civic responsibility. If the Sheople woke up and realized just how much freedom and power they actually have to steer and fix this out of control government, the politicians and power brokers would crap their pants!

So, are you alluding to some conspiracy? Or, are you lamenting the apathy that has become the new normal in this country?

PS - If you are alluding to a conspiracy, I love conspiracy theories, I would love to hear it! I'm not joking!
 


The funny part is I remember not too long ago having to explain to the people on here that we have a republic, not a democracy. That was before you started posting again though, too bad, could of used your help on that one.
 


Lol....k. Pretty sure you forgot what my question was anyways.
 


1 out of 6 are killed by assault weapons based on the numbers. That means 5 of the 6 are not killed by assault type weapons. Breaking it down further, remove the idea of a pistol grip on a shotgun and it is no longer an assault weapon.

I would wonder how many people a year a killed by assault weapons then... Most police I know carry AR-15s and shotguns in their trunks.
 
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