Ban Assault Weapons

[4Ryan6]

You are right. We should remove all guards from government buildings as well, courthouses, etc.. Oh! The banks. Definitely no more armed security at the banks. Because of course we all know protecting our money is far more important than our children.

ROFL :lol:

You love rubbing salt in the wound don't you! :lol:

 

[musical marv]

Preach on Brother Ryan.

I agree. Americans are too proud, too stupid to realize they don't know what they don't know.

They are to gullible mostly that is their problem in the states.

 

[chunkymonster]

They are to gullible mostly that is their problem in the states.

I've taken to quoting Men In Black...yes, the movie with Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith.

Kay: Humans, for the most part, don't have a clue. Don't want or need one. They're happy. They think they have a good bead on things.

Jay: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.

Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals. You know it.

 

[riser]

That's exactly why I don't like large crowds anymore.

 

[musical marv]

That's exactly why I don't like large crowds anymore.

Truthfully speaking there are 2 topics I stay away from religion and politics when I am in mixed company.

 

[themdg]

We already have a ban on using weapons to hurt innocent people, but that does not stop anyone... Banning things is not going to help.

 

[wanamingo]

We banned lead paint, is that infringing on your liberties?

 

[chunkymonster]

^ We also banned PCB's, CFC's, and asbestos...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

We banned lead paint, is that infringing on your liberties?

Lets take this full circle
So China hasnt, yet they also cant own guns, a good compromise?
Just arguing your way

 

[chunkymonster]

^ Agreed, more prevalent than people want to admit. I'm waiting for the day when I get a call from my kid's teacher or principal.

We are witnessing misguided Utopian ideology ignorant of human nature forwarding the "wussy-fication" of our children.

I've got young boys, it is natural for them to play fight and act out "good guy, bad guy" scenarios. They instinctively fashion just about anything into a weapon; a pillow becomes a shield, a stick can be anything from a spear to a gun, a ball becomes a grenade or bomb, a soccer ball becomes a boulder to destroy the bad guy's castle, etc...they are normal boys with active imaginations and they use the fantasy of fighting to resolve the conflicting reality of what their minds imagine they can do compared to what they are physically capable of doing.

 

[riser]

Drugs are bad too. Maybe we should ban them.

 

[wanamingo]

Drugs are bad too. Maybe we should ban them.

Some pharmaceuticals are definitely worse than street drugs.

I dont know how many of you have had experiences with teens on anti-depressants or adderall.

I mean for sad teens they used to just have The Cure and The Smiths, now they have drugs.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I think its once again, the so called experts allowed to do this.
The wrong mindset is allowed to run the show, without actually much common sense thrown in.
Data, facts and chemical balance do not make us human beings.
Not allowing human beings guns is tatamount to this in ways.
Allowing for bias to lead the way surely isnt either, yet having real victims as the posters for a certain ideal is just that.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

At one point, officers guarding one location mistakenly opened fire on a pickup truck believing it matched the description of Dorner's dark colored 2005 Nissan Titan, injuring two innocent occupants.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ex-LA-cop-sought-in-killings-tied-to-victim-father-4258047.php
Now, how often does this happen?
Should we take the guns away from the cops?
Wait for it to happen again, because it will, then go on a tirade for months/years about it?

 

[musical marv]

We already have a ban on using weapons to hurt innocent people, but that does not stop anyone... Banning things is not going to help.

What does help than? If you were the president what would you do to solve this problem with guns now?

 

[MU_Engineer]

Drugs are bad too. Maybe we should ban them.

We do.

Some pharmaceuticals are definitely worse than street drugs.

I dont know how many of you have had experiences with teens on anti-depressants or adderall.

I mean for sad teens they used to just have The Cure and The Smiths, now they have drugs.

I have plenty as it is in my line of work. Teens on psych meds are like anybody else on psych meds- everyone responds differently. Some do very well on them and the medications allow them to get back to "normal." Some take them and they do exactly zilch. Some do very poorly on them and have side effects, and generally quit taking the meds. Some are made to take them and don't, and don't get any better. Or sometimes they do get better regardless of not taking medication. Some also abuse the psych meds that can be abused, namely benzos (Xanax, Klonopin, Ativan, etc.) and stimulant ADHD meds like Adderall. We hope that everybody is in the "gets back to normal" camp when we start them but we know that is far from always being the case. Drugs are also really only supposed to be part of the treatment equation too but often are all that people get. A lot of people don't like counseling and therapy and such (or can't afford it, or can't go due to work conflicts) even though it really has a lot more evidence of working than the meds do.

 

[4Ryan6]

It must be in the water, or maybe the flu vaccine! Oooohhh! :lol:

Did you catch the news of the neo Nazi shot by his own son! :lol:

Could this be, "You Reap What You Sow", in action! :lol:

And people wonder how could this happen! :lol:

Ry, You're a sick individual for laughing about this!

Yep! :lol:

They don't let me out much!

But occasionally they forget to lock the door! :lol:

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I wonder if the folks up in Big Bear were glad they have their guns

 

[musical marv]

Drugs are bad too. Maybe we should ban them.

Maybe we should look into the Pharmaceutical Industry and see how they are ripping off consumers with their high prices.Regulate them also.

 

[4Ryan6]

Maybe we should look into the Pharmaceutical Industry and see how they are ripping off consumers with their high prices.Regulate them also.

Now you're talking!

Totally Agree!

 

[MU_Engineer]

Maybe we should look into the Pharmaceutical Industry and see how they are ripping off consumers with their high prices.Regulate them also.

1. Most drugs are generics and cost only a few bucks per month. This can add up if you need to be on a lot of medications, but even being on 20 meds generally costs less than your cable bill, smartphone bill, or especially your pack a day cigarette habit. The really expensive meds are the exception rather than the rule and are rarely first-line for anything.

2. There is an insane amount of regulation of the drug companies- ever heard of the FDA? Or PhRMA? Also there are additional taxes on drug makers buried in the Obamacare text. I know, I have read the entire thing, unlike Nancy Pelosi and most of Congress who actually voted it into law.

3. Every new drug has to go through over a billion dollars' worth of clinical trials. Many drugs go through trials and there is some issue found, so they are never brought to the market. However the trials still have to be paid for even if they don't pan out. There is also a large army of sleazebag lawyers hunting for The Next Big Drug Lawsuit [strike]to make themselves insanely rich[/strike] to help out the little guy so if you have ANY postmarketing issues, you are liable for many more billions in legal costs. That money has to come from somewhere.

*Most* of the people I see whining about drug prices are people who spend much more on cigarettes, booze, lottery tickets, and at the casino than their handful of generic drugs costs. They gripe endlessly about the $8/month of generic HCTZ/lisinopril and simvastatin for their blood pressure and cholesterol but smoke two $6 packs of Marbs a day. You unleash a massive expletive-laden tirade if you dare to mention that, though. These are also nearly all Medicaid patients who pay $0 to see the doc and show up an hour late demanding immediate treatment.

 

[4Ryan6]

1. Most drugs are generics and cost only a few bucks per month. This can add up if you need to be on a lot of medications, but even being on 20 meds generally costs less than your cable bill, smartphone bill, or especially your pack a day cigarette habit. The really expensive meds are the exception rather than the rule and are rarely first-line for anything.

2. There is an insane amount of regulation of the drug companies- ever heard of the FDA? Or PhRMA? Also there are additional taxes on drug makers buried in the Obamacare text. I know, I have read the entire thing, unlike Nancy Pelosi and most of Congress who actually voted it into law.

3. Every new drug has to go through over a billion dollars' worth of clinical trials. Many drugs go through trials and there is some issue found, so they are never brought to the market. However the trials still have to be paid for even if they don't pan out. There is also a large army of sleazebag lawyers hunting for The Next Big Drug Lawsuit to make themselves insanely rich to help out the little guy so if you have ANY postmarketing issues, you are liable for many more billions in legal costs. That money has to come from somewhere.

*Most* of the people I see whining about drug prices are people who spend much more on cigarettes, booze, lottery tickets, and at the casino than their handful of generic drugs costs. They gripe endlessly about the $8/month of generic HCTZ/lisinopril and simvastatin for their blood pressure and cholesterol but smoke two $6 packs of Marbs a day. You unleash a massive expletive-laden tirade if you dare to mention that, though. These are also nearly all Medicaid patients who pay $0 to see the doc and show up an hour late demanding immediate treatment.

That's extremely opinionated and one sided assuming everyone fits into your little box of *Most*, generic drugs are nice when they're available in generic!

Your assumability is amazingly ignorant, I thought you were smarter than that!

Do you have to take any prescription drugs at all?, I seriously doubt it!

Your day is coming!

For the record, I don't smoke or drink, or gamble, I do have diabetes and a few complications from it, and it costs me out of my pocket what the insurance doesn't cover every Damn time I go to the doctor!

I respect the position of moderator, but not how you use it!

It's time to close this thread it is Off Topic anyway!

4Ryan6

 

[Apanzee]

Guns are good. Drugs are bad. Drugs + guns = hide your wife and children.

Point is, this thread is full of bias and it's derailing far off topic.

@Ryan & MU - You should both know better.


I'm closing this now.

 

[Apanzee]

This topic has been closed by Apanzee