Big HDD Showdown: Seagate 10TB vs. HGST Ultrastar He10 vs. WD Gold 8TB

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Ya cost analysis doesn't make a lot of sense .... considering the ads you place on the page.... the HGST gets a hit for it's high cost (available on amazon for $499) ... and the Seagate 10 GB gets praised for its low cost (available on newegg for $609).

Yeah I know how it happened ... article got written, ads came later, but that's what editors are for :)
 


That is as of 8/8 it will be on Amazon for $499 and even then it will depend on supply and demand, as I am sure you have seen that supply can cause demand to increase the pricing.

What do ads have to do with anything? The HGST drive got their top pick and yet people are still complaining?
 


Anyone who uses the backblaze data to support an argument about reliability of consumer drives ... essentially disqualified themselves as being qualified to participate in the discussion.

The obvious question is, if Seagate Drives are so bad, why do they account for the largest number of drives in use at Backblaze ? And the answer is that, for them, it's more profitable to use inexpensive consumer drives than pay for drives that are designed for the environment they serve.

Why do consumer drives fail early in a sever environment ? When a drive is designed for a consumer environment, an important feature is "head parking".... this "parks" the arm / head away from the platter much like a tone arm / needle is returned to a parked position on a phonograph. With typical home and building construction, floors vibrate ... people bump desks as they are walking by .... PC cases get hit by elbows. With the heads "parked" no damage occurs.

Consumer drives are rated for between 250 and 500k cycles, more than enough for the anticipates life of a consumer drive. However, a server drive has I/O several orders of magnitude above a consumer drive ... that head / arm almost never stops moving. A server can burn thru 250 - 500k cycles in a matter of months.

If we look at actual data for consumer drives being used in a consumer environment, we see this combining the data for the last two 6 month study periods:

HGST 0,70%
Seagate 0,64%
Western 0,95%
Toshiba 1,05%

Those numbers represent the number of failures which occurred with drives between 6 and 12 months of usage averaged over 12 months. And while the numbers are what they, I don't look at them that much ... because like every other component you put in a PC, just about every manufacturer has made some astounding products and also has produced some duds. In storagereview.com's storage reliability survey, what can we make of the following:

Most Reliable Drive Model of all time: Made by Seagate
Least Reliable Drive Model of all time: Made by Seagate

Where the data is reliable, is in determining what specific models fare poorly

These broke 2% in the last period

2,17% WD Black WD3003FZEX
4,32% WD Black WD4003FZEX
3,59% Toshiba DT01ACA300
2,88% Toshiba DT01ACA200
2,88% Toshiba DT01ACA200 2 To
2,39% Toshiba PA4291E-1HJ0 1 To
2,17% WD Black WD3003FZEX

And in the one before that ....

4,90% Toshiba 3 To DT01ACA300
2,86% WD RE 4 To WD4000FYYZ
2,33% WD Blue 250 Go WD2500AAKX
2,23% WD Black 4 To WD4003FZEX
2,20% WD Red 750 Go WD7500BFCX

It's not as if the absence of a drive on the list is necessarily a good thing.... if sales don't reach a minimum number as to be statistically significant, the drive won't be listed.

Favoring a drive by brand name can be just as foolish as picking a PSU by brand name. Just cause the Corsair AX 860i is a great PSU, doesn't make the CX 600 a great PSU. Best you can do is pick a drive model that has consistently had an acceptable failure rate .... and recognize that, all things being equal, increased performance may mean lesser expected life.




 


How is any of that in any way relevant to my post ?

1. I offered no opinion on the HGST drive getting the top pick or any other drive getting whatever rating was given.

2. Where exactly did my post contain a complaint in any way related to any product in the review ?

3. The article states:
We base our pricing comparisons upon retail pricing, and it is valid only at the time of publishing
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Well it is the time of publishing and the ads contradict the Pros / Cons

4. How exactly does the law of supply and demand and changes over time in any way relate in the context of the above statement ?

6. Amazon is required to honor the price they advertise. I can add it to my cart right now so again, relevance ? The context of the article and the context of the post are consistent.

7. The only issue raised in my post therefore has no relation to any of the products in the article, it refers to something I found humorous in the context of journalism versus advertising.

If you can't find humor [Hint: that's what the :) emoji was for] in the following contradiction....

HGST Ultrastar He10 - Cons = High Cost [Buy it now for $499 on amazon]
Seagate Enterprise Capacity 10TB - Pros = Low Cost [Buy it now for $609 on amazon

Then nothing I can say will make you "get it".

 


The HGST He10 wins the Editor's Choice, I don't know what more I can say than that. I analyzed the average selling price of the two drives at the time, as listed in the chart. Unfortunately, that chart was only for that moment in time, as noted in the text. It is rather straight forward.
 


Did ya missed this part ?

Yeah I know how it happened ... article got written, ads came later, but that's what editors are for

Again, if ya can't see the humor in the contradiction

Cons = High Cost [Buy it now for $499 on amazon] ..., versus .... Pros = Low Cost [Buy it now for $609 on amazon

there's really nothing I can say. If I wrote the article, I'd have fun with the post and tape it to my Editor's monitor ... or whomever proof read the draft web page before it was posted.

You may have went with the information you had at the time.... but that doesn't mean the end result was contradictory and therefore humorous. It's happened before ... and it was funny then too.

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Just to be clear when you say "get it" you mean the irony of the prices being the reverse of the review's "Cons & Pros" or do you mean buy the drive? J/K, LOL!

 
It is funny the 1st time it is noticed and pointed out but as it is re-hashed, and broken down over and over for the ironically, and comically challenged it loses some of its zing.
 
Oh! I may want one of those!
 


Comedy is, however, subjective and what some find funny others do not. That does not make them comically challenged but that they rather have a different point of view.

That drive is hard to get it seems. Amazons super cheap $499 one is back ordered and most others are showing deliveries much further out. The only option I can find right now is a third party on Newegg which costs $750. So if you need to order the drive today to get it tomorrow then you wont get it for the $499 price. If you can wait till tomorrow then you can get it at $499 if they get them in stock it will ship.

As to how that site can be so much cheaper than any other site, next closes I could find is $650, I have no idea but it is what it is as availability is what matter most.
 
Thank you for the review Paul.
The prices of those drives are insanely expensive, sorry, nobody will get my business until those drives reach an acceptable level of usual prices. In the past, when a new drive would come to the market, they would decrease the price of the old drives to promote the new drive, and it was an acceptable marketing format. Nowadays the bigger the drive gets and the bigger the price becomes, and I refuse to accept new method of price gouging. So in the meantime until prices go down to acceptable levels of reasons i won't buy those drives.
 
I'm sure all the hard drive manufacturers understand how pricing figures in their product placement. While you Steve may not feel compelled to purchase those drives because of the price many others are dying to buy them because of the size of the drive and how it will impact their storage solutions. Pricing for them isn't the issue it is for your situation. I'm getting calls looking for these models already.
 

Yes it does, but it is a NAS drive these drives are enterprise drives and are designed for a heavier work loads and more I/O exchanges than a NAS drive would normally experience.
 
Yes comedy is subjective but hearing the same punch line over and over it loses it's zing (yes we get the price thing). Like the 1st time you watched Blazing Saddles it was much funnier than the 20th time you saw it. The surprises from the twists and turns aren't the same when you know what is coming. However tragically there are some that are comically challenged, but I do agree for some it is because of their point of view.

 


In opposition to your thinking, I think it IS a logical assertion for Seagate to plan to make to make a lot of money recovering data from their failed hard drives!
 
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