Blizzard hands major private WOW servers DMCA.

[elbert]

Ok now everyone.... *breath*

I would just like to make a break so you guys can take a breather and say, Purplerat, I love reading your posts 😛

But he is right Elbert. If you don't like it, go find a free MMO and stop claiming he's a troll when all your doing is going around in circles and dodging statements that prove it.

Hes right about the graph? Guess you really loved the one were he total screwed up with his graph. He claimed other was private servers on the subscription graph. Private servers aren't even a subscription MMO. Im calling him a troll because he did not answer my questions after I answered his. Hes right about the OEM? Did you like me correcting him on what OEM was before XP and after. 😉 Yup lol guess he is educated enough to question my BBA.

Here is the questions.

Now stop dodging the questions I have posted. Is blizzard being unethical? Have they deceived customers? Is retail servers as rot with bots, power levelers, and gold farmers as private servers? And finally are you part of the problem for continuing to pay them for questionable service?

Here is his dodging remarks and spin to diablo2.

WTF are you even talking about? What's the questionable service? How have they deceived anybody? The fact that Diablo2 did not have a monthly fee has no bearing on WoWs pricing. If you think so you are an idiot.

No, I can see with all the bots, gold farming, and power levelers that there service is kind of crap. No, I can see blizzard is going after a great deal more than reasonable compensation. Also the EULA after purchase wouldnt hold up in most country's.

Guess I should thank you for helping me keep this thread at the top.

 

[purplerat]

Since others have chimed I feel it's only fair for me to defend myself (not really I just like doing this 😉 ). So I'll continue to prove you wrong.

Im calling him a troll because he did not answer my questions after I answered his. Hes right about the OEM? Did you like me correcting him on what OEM was before XP and after. 😉 Yup lol guess he is educated enough to question my BBA.

from Windows 98 OEM EULA:
http://proprietary.clendons.co.nz/licenses/eula/windows98se-eula.htm

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MICROSOFT WINDOWS 98 SECOND EDITION

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END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR

MICROSOFT DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEMS



IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you (either an individual or a single entity) and the manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired the Microsoft software product(s) identified above ("SOFTWARE PRODUCT" or "SOFTWARE"). If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is not accompanied by a new computer system or computer system component, you may not use or copy the SOFTWARE PRODUCT. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT includes computer software, and may include associated media, printed materials, and "online" or electronic documentation. Any software provided along with the SOFTWARE PRODUCT that is associated with a separate end-user license agreement is licensed to you under the terms of that license agreement. By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise using the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, you agree to be bound by the terms of this EULA. If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, Manufacturer and Microsoft Licensing, Inc. ("MS") are unwilling to license the SOFTWARE PRODUCT to you. In such event, you may not use or copy the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, and you should promptly contact Manufacturer for instructions on return of the unused product(s) for a refund.



SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE

The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is protected by copyright laws and international copyright treaties, as well as other intellectual property laws and treaties. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed, not sold. The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer system component.



1. GRANT OF LICENSE. This EULA grants you the following rights:



Software Installation and Use. You may only install and use one copy of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on the COMPUTER.

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I'll skip to some more important stuff, you can check the link if you like. But in the next section notice the use of the highlighted word "COMPUTER" (caps are in the actual document, not mine). This specifies that the license lies with the hardware, not the user.

....

Back-up Copy. If Manufacturer has not included a back-up copy of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT with the COMPUTER, you may make a single back-up copy of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT. You may use the back-up copy solely for archival purposes. Back-up Utility. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT includes a Microsoft back-up utility, you may use the utility to make the single back-up copy. After the single back-up copy is made, the backup utility will be permanently disabled. Except as expressly provided in this EULA, you may not otherwise make copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, including the printed materials accompanying the SOFTWARE.



2. DESCRIPTION OF OTHER RIGHTS AND LIMITATIONS.



Windows NT Workstation. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is Windows NT Workstation, the following additional restriction(s) apply. Processor Limitation - The SOFTWARE PRODUCT may be used by no more than the maximum number of processors of the COMPUTER indicated at the top of this EULA.



Multiple Processor Version Selection. The CD or diskette(s) on which the SOFTWARE PRODUCT resides may contain several copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, each of which is compatible with a different microprocessor architecture, such as the x86 architecture or various RISC architectures ("Processor Version(s)"). You may install and use only one copy of one Processor Version of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on the COMPUTER.



Language Version Selection. Manufacturer may have elected to provide you with a selection of language versions for one or more of the Microsoft software products licensed under this EULA. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is included in more than one language version, you are licensed to use only one of the language versions provided. As part of the setup process for the SOFTWARE PRODUCT you will be given a one-time option to select a language version. Upon selection, the language version selected by you will be set up on the COMPUTER, and the language version(s) not selected by you will be automatically and permanently deleted from the hard disk of the COMPUTER.



Operating System Selection. Manufacturer may have elected to provide you with a selection of Microsoft operating system software for the COMPUTER. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT includes more than one (1) Microsoft operating system software (i.e. Windows 98, Windows 95, Windows NT Workstation, Windows for Workgroups, Windows, MS-DOS, MS-DOS and Windows, or MS-DOS and Windows for Workgroups) ("Microsoft OS"), you are licensed to use only one of the Microsoft OS selections provided. As part of the setup process for the SOFTWARE you will be given a one-time option to select one (1) Microsoft OS. Upon selection, the one Microsoft OS selected by you will be set up on the COMPUTER, and the other Microsoft OS(s) not selected by you will be automatically and permanently deleted from the hard disk of the COMPUTER.



Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation and Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the SOFTWARE PRODUCT, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.

Now here comes the really interesting stuff.

Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed as a single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.



Single COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated product. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT may only be used with the HARDWARE as set forth in this EULA.



Single EULA. The package for the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may contain multiple versions of this EULA, such as multiple translations and/or multiple media versions (e.g., in the user documentation and in the software). In this case, you are only licensed to use one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.



Rental. You may not rent, lease or lend the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.

And for the grand finale.....

Software Product Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE, provided you retain no copies, you transfer all of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA and, if applicable, the Certificate(s) of Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of this EULA. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is an upgrade, any transfer must also include all prior versions of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT.



Termination. Without prejudice to any other rights, Manufacturer or MS may terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT and all of its component parts.

😱 YOU'VE BEEN PWND, WHO's THE NUBCAKE NOW!!! 😱

In case you are still uncertain, Windows 98SE came out BEFORE XP. This is an original Windows licensing agreement BEFORE XP, clearly stipulating that an OS, specifically one sold by an OEM, is only to be used on the original hardware it was sold with.

 

[purplerat]

Hes right about the graph? Guess you really loved the one were he total screwed up with his graph. He claimed other was private servers on the subscription graph. Private servers aren't even a subscription MMO.

The point of the graph was never to prove hard numbers, but to simply show the market share Blizzard has for MMOs. I don't know or care exactly what "others" includes, but I'm fairly certain that Private WoW servers make up only a very small percentage of MMO players, probably less than 1%.

The ultimate point being that Blizzard could try and capture the entire MMO audience and probably couldn't even double their current membership. They're already beating out everybody by at least 10X. Why lower prices? And they are not gouging because the price has remained the same, and is right in line with their competitors. So there is nothing unethical to either their users nor their share holders. They are leading in both profitability and customer satisfaction amongst their entire market.

Also the EULA after purchase wouldnt hold up in most country's

Great ethics there buddy. The EULA turns out not to say what you think it did nor what you wanted it to say so now it just doesn't matter.

Here is his dodging remarks and spin to diablo2.

You're the one who brought up Diablo2 and how much it cost compared to WoW. I could care less about Diablo2. I've never played and never will, so I'm not really sure what your point is. But if you think I'm trying to twist your words please explain what you meant by this:

Blizzard run Diablo2 for 5 years which I payed $160 for 2 accounts for both me and my son to play. Now WOW would cost me more than that for 1 acccount for less than a year.

Granted you English is very, very poor so I may very well have misunderstood what you meant by that statement.

No, I can see with all the bots, gold farming, and power levelers that there service is kind of crap.

What does that have to do with Blizzards ethics? Those are other players doing those things, not Blizzard. And if you know anything about Blizzard you would know that going back to the early battle.net days Blizzard has worked harder than almost every other company at preventing player abuse on their services. There's no way to completely stop these things without imposing on the honest players too much. It's a pendulum that swings both ways, but Blizzard does an excellent job at keeping it as close to the middle as possible.

Guess I should thank you for helping me keep this thread at the top.

FYI, statements like that are what's actually considered trolling. If your only point is to keep this thread alive as some sort of game, well that's what trolls do.

 

[baba264]

Free world as in areas where trade and commerce are, for the most part, free ie non-arbitrary. It was not a statement made to reference the US specifically, although with Blizzard/Vivendi-Activision maintaining its articles of corporation, I can see where that assumption might have been made.

Meanwhile, using a discussion about a private entity ie Blizzard, to voice opinions about a governmental agency's actions and policies is something I find in poor taste.

I apologize for bringing that up again, but I must insist that your choice of term in "free world" is heavy with ideological meaning and that I didn't react to it at random but because it was either a bad choice of world or a very political one. To illustrate this, please do read this wikipedia entry for the terms "free world" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_world) :

"The Free World is a Cold War-era term often applied to or used by non-communist nations to describe themselves. The term was used to contrast the greater personal freedom enjoyed by citizens of non-communist countries that were democratic, such as the United States, Canada and Western Europe, with the totalitarian rule of the Soviet Union and its Eastern European allies, along with other communist nations such as China. The term, however, does not take into account the many non-democratic states allied with the "Free World" during the Cold War, most notably in South America, Asia, and Africa."

So I didn't use the discussion to voice my opinions, I merely reacted to what I tough were out of place words.

Great ethics there buddy. The EULA turns out not to say what you think it did nor what you wanted it to say so now it just doesn't matter.

Just wanted to point out that one of the main point of the argument is that EULA are *not* articles of law. As it happens many of them when brough to court are found to contain either abusive or plain illegal clauses (for instance ebay or telephone companies in europe). Sure, this may take a long and tedious legal action to prove, but the point is that those EULA should not be taken as the reference in terms of legal property.

 

[elbert]

The point of the graph was never to prove hard numbers, but to simply show the market share Blizzard has for MMOs. I don't know or care exactly what "others" includes, but I'm fairly certain that Private WoW servers make up only a very small percentage of MMO players, probably less than 1%.


The ultimate point being that Blizzard could try and capture the entire MMO audience and probably couldn't even double their current membership. They're already beating out everybody by at least 10X. Why lower prices? And they are not gouging because the price has remained the same, and is right in line with their competitors. So there is nothing unethical to either their users nor their share holders. They are leading in both profitability and customer satisfaction amongst their entire market.

You dont understand change and that only capture the current MMO market during that time. You came back so I was correct your a troll and cant stay away.

You're the one who brought up Diablo2 and how much it cost compared to WoW. I could care less about Diablo2. I've never played and never will, so I'm not really sure what your point is. But if you think I'm trying to twist your words please explain what you meant by this:

Finally you admit you dont know. Now I will explain why your wrong. This thread is about blizzard serving private servers a DMCA. You got mad after I showed the error of others not being private servers. You then had the try to make it personal. The thread isnt about me or you. My questions were an attempt to return this thread on its focus.

I told you it was comparing the company's none greed period to its greedy current condition.

No, I can see with all the bots, gold farming, and power levelers that there service is kind of crap.


What does that have to do with Blizzards ethics? Those are other players doing those things, not Blizzard. And if you know anything about Blizzard you would know that going back to the early battle.net days Blizzard has worked harder than almost every other company at preventing player abuse on their services. There's no way to completely stop these things without imposing on the honest players too much. It's a pendulum that swings both ways, but Blizzard does an excellent job at keeping it as close to the middle as possible.

Remember me saying slap on the wrist. To put it to a finer point not protecting it customers from gold farmers, power levelers, and bot users making profits of the game. Guess as long as you pay the $15 making money off the game it is fine to blizzard.

Guess I should thank you for helping me keep this thread at the top.


FYI, statements like that are what's actually considered trolling. If your only point is to keep this thread alive as some sort of game, well that's what trolls do.

No trolling is coming to a thread and flaming or trying to change the subject of the thread to meet there needs. Don't think its even possible for an OP to be a troll. You did come back and you did try to change the thread to a personal attack on me. Saying I was stealing.

Why hasn't blizzard stopped sales of chars on ebay. It's there property.

 

[elbert]

LOL noob the windows 98 EULA cant prove you right. Simple fact an OEM compaq windows 98 disk will install on any compaq. As long as its a compaq machine. An OEM xp will only install for one motherboard. You dont understand how OEM has changed over time. Give it up. You screwed up. Please stop trying to change the subject away from blizzard's action.

Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed as a single product. Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.

IE i stated uninstall from one compaq and install on another. OEM pre XP you can move the OS from machine to machine. XP can not be moved to a new machine. Learn it or stop acting like your know anything.

In case you are still uncertain, Windows 98SE came out BEFORE XP. This is an original Windows licensing agreement BEFORE XP, clearly stipulating that an OS, specifically one sold by an OEM, is only to be used on the original hardware it was sold with.

Im certain you just proved yourself unknowing as to how OEM has changed. If you look at XP's EULA parts being changed can break it. IE only works for a single mobo. No way it can be moved unless you really get lucky and MS employee allow the change.

Now if you will please stick to the thread's OP your welcome back. I will stop calling you a troll if you stop trying to make the thread about me. I'm not sure where you got the ideal that I even play on private. All i have stated is that I have seen pics of weddings on there sites.

I don't like the fact that others are making money off blizzard. Why go after private servers and not ebay power levelers and gold farmers? Why not go after sites that sales gold and chars? They are allowing there service to get worse by allowing these things are they not?

 

[pr2thej]

On private servers - i despise them. I worked hard in original, and TBC to see the end game content and it annoys me that some cheating hack can just boost his HP to a million and walkthrough the content that took me so long to clear.

The argument about paying the same monthly fees does not hold water for me - i have paid a monthly fees and hundreds of hours to get to the top.

Elbert - anyone using the phrase "lol noob" is instantly assumed to be 13 years old, clueless and immature. Hence i didnt bother to read your wall of text past the first 2 words.

 

[purplerat]

Why hasn't blizzard stopped sales of chars on ebay. It's there property.

Because it's perfectly allowable as long as it follows the rest of the EULA.

From Section 3 part B of the aforementioned WoW EULA:

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.

 

[purplerat]

Now if you will please stick to the thread's OP your welcome back.

FYI, Just like you don't own the code for WoW, you don't own a thread simply because you started it. Plus every single topic I've discussed was in response to you bringing it up. You brought up WoW's pricing, you brought up Diablo2, you brought up Windows and OEM.

But I will make clear the OEM issue because you are spreading false information:

IE i stated uninstall from one compaq and install on another. OEM pre XP you can move the OS from machine to machine. XP can not be moved to a new machine. Learn it or stop acting like your know anything.

Actually I know quite a bit, including the fact that you can do the same exact thing with Vista OEMs from Gateway, Acer and Dell. Just because you can technically do something and probably get away with it, that does not make it right to do so. And then turning around and blaming the company for taking more proactive steps to prevent something they never allowed you to do is just moronic. BTW you also were the one to bring up ethics, I assumed meaning you knew what they were and followed them. You've pretty much proven that wrong with everything you said.

 

[elbert]

Why hasn't blizzard stopped sales of chars on ebay. It's there property.

Because it's perfectly allowable as long as it follows the rest of the EULA.

From Section 3 part B of the aforementioned WoW EULA:

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.

See again this was added after they found it impossible to stop sale of chars. This does not protect against gold sales. If noted at the end blizzard can at any time say this is no longer allowed. It also has stipulates everything must be turned over to the purchaser. Power levelers only give the char thus not covered entirely in this section. Also note no where in section 3 part B does it allow anyone to make money off the transfer. This I believe is about transferring an account. Power levels would only need to use character transfer.

 

[elbert]

Now if you will please stick to the thread's OP your welcome back.

FYI, Just like you don't own the code for WoW, you don't own a thread simply because you started it. Plus every single topic I've discussed was in response to you bringing it up. You brought up WoW's pricing, you brought up Diablo2, you brought up Windows and OEM.

But I will make clear the OEM issue because you are spreading false information:

FYI, understand the OP isnt anyone but means original post. Twisting something you dont understand. I didnt bring up if I played on private you did. Neither WOW pricing, diable2, or OEM has any part of you saying i steal.

IE i stated uninstall from one compaq and install on another. OEM pre XP you can move the OS from machine to machine. XP can not be moved to a new machine. Learn it or stop acting like your know anything.

Actually I know quite a bit, including the fact that you can do the same exact thing with Vista OEMs from Gateway, Acer and Dell. Just because you can technically do something and probably get away with it, that does not make it right to do so. And then turning around and blaming the company for taking more proactive steps to prevent something they never allowed you to do is just moronic. BTW you also were the one to bring up ethics, I assumed meaning you knew what they were and followed them. You've pretty much proven that wrong with everything you said.

The windows 98 EULA you posted.

Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.

IE before XP you could move the OS with no laws, EULA, or anything being broke. Now try activating the OS after moving from one dell to the next. Maybe you will get lucky after an hour of talking to an MS customer rep. Guess you miss that part.

 

[elbert]

On private servers - i despise them. I worked hard in original, and TBC to see the end game content and it annoys me that some cheating hack can just boost his HP to a million and walkthrough the content that took me so long to clear.

The argument about paying the same monthly fees does not hold water for me - i have paid a monthly fees and hundreds of hours to get to the top.

Elbert - anyone using the phrase "lol noob" is instantly assumed to be 13 years old, clueless and immature. Hence i didnt bother to read your wall of text past the first 2 words.

Don't you hate that you worked hard to see the end game content? Everyone working hard to see end game content isn't so on retail. Power levelers can make you hate retail just as much. Even more do to the monthly fee.

Here I was thinking anyone admitting to playing a game was childish. Guess we all are just a bunch of children in here. To be an adult means putting aside childish things which you haven't done. You have no authority as an adult to call anyone a child. BTW nice to meet you MR clueless and immature.

 

[purplerat]

IE before XP you could move the OS with no laws, EULA, or anything being broke. Now try activating the OS after moving from one dell to the next. Maybe you will get lucky after an hour of talking to an MS customer rep. Guess you miss that part.

If you actually read the EULA I posted it says that a.)"The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated product." and b.)"Software Product Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE".

It's very clear that the license is only valid with the hardware it is sold with.

Now try activating the OS after moving from one dell to the next. Maybe you will get lucky after an hour of talking to an MS customer rep. Guess you miss that part.

It varies from system to system, but yes there are still OEMs for both Vista and XP which do not require activation even if installed on another unit. Does that mean to you that it's OK to do so, just because it's possible?

Basically your argument as I read it is analogous to say if I do not lock my car door and do not explicitly say "Do not steal my car" then it's ok for somebody to do so simply because they can. But if I later install a security system in my car and you get caught trying to steal it, I'm the unethical one for changing my policies.

 

[elbert]

Quote :

IE before XP you could move the OS with no laws, EULA, or anything being broke. Now try activating the OS after moving from one dell to the next. Maybe you will get lucky after an hour of talking to an MS customer rep. Guess you miss that part.


If you actually read the EULA I posted it says that a.)"The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated product." and b.)"Software Product Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE".


It's very clear that the license is only valid with the hardware it is sold with.

Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one

This is in your EULA which means if you transfer the OS it must be in full. IE you are allowed to transfer the entire 98SE OS to another system. What I have bolded would say you may not permanently transfer. It doesnt tho and thus you are allowed to use windows 98SE on one system at a time and move it at will.

Quote :

Now try activating the OS after moving from one dell to the next. Maybe you will get lucky after an hour of talking to an MS customer rep. Guess you miss that part.


It varies from system to system, but yes there are still OEMs for both Vista and XP which do not require activation even if installed on another unit. Does that mean to you that it's OK to do so, just because it's possible?


Basically your argument as I read it is analogous to say if I do not lock my car door and do not explicitly say "Do not steal my car" then it's ok for somebody to do so simply because they can. But if I later install a security system in my car and you get caught trying to steal it, I'm the unethical one for changing my policies.

Does that mean you think that its OK to do so? Stop implying I do as I have told you more than once no on XP but yes on Older OS'es. You are the one thats saying OEM has always been the same. I am clearing stating you could on 98 and cant on xp. Technically tho if your luck to get a nice MS customer rep they may let you transfer XP. You would need a good reason tho like my mobo fried last night.

You can analogous all you want here as my BBA is Computers Information Systems(CIS).

 

[purplerat]

Quote :

IE before XP you could move the OS with no laws, EULA, or anything being broke. Now try activating the OS after moving from one dell to the next. Maybe you will get lucky after an hour of talking to an MS customer rep. Guess you miss that part.


If you actually read the EULA I posted it says that a.)"The SOFTWARE PRODUCT is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated product." and b.)"Software Product Transfer. You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE".


It's very clear that the license is only valid with the hardware it is sold with.

Its component parts may not be separated for use on more than one

This is in your EULA which means if you transfer the OS it must be in full. IE you are allowed to transfer the entire 98SE OS to another system. What I have bolded would say you may not permanently transfer. It doesnt tho and thus you are allowed to use windows 98SE on one system at a time and move it at will.

Try reading the whole sentence:
"You may permanently transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer of the HARDWARE

If you really can't understand that then I can't help you.

 

[purplerat]

You can analogous all you want here as my BBA is Computers Information
Systems(CIS).

Simply claiming you have an advanced degree, without any demonstration of actually having any knowledge, doesn't prove anything.

I could claim to be the Pope and therefore whatever I say is right or wrong goes, and that would have as much validity as your claim to be educated on these matters.

 

[Guest]

What are we talking about again?

 

[purplerat]

What are we talking about again?

The basic discussion is whether or not software companies have a right to dictate how users use their copyrighted material.

 

[purplerat]

This should settle the point on the difference (or lack there of) between XP OEM and previous Windows OEM EULA. Here is the link to the official Microsoft Release regarding EULA changes made with the release of XP, specifically to OEMs for VLAs.

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...569d0a/microsoft-windows-oem-eula-changes.doc

Executive Summary
In September there were several changes to the OEM EULA with the release of Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. There are a number of revisions and updates to the Windows XP EULA terms from previous operating system versions. Many of these changes were made to reduce the length of the Windows XP Product EULA as well as to reorder the terms for improved readability. What remains unchanged is that the Windows XP OEM license is between the OEM and the end user and that the product is typically licensed for use with the hardware or PC on which it was first installed.

Now lets see Mr BBA CSI explain this.

 

[elbert]

This should settle the point on the difference (or lack there of) between XP OEM and previous Windows OEM EULA. Here is the link to the official Microsoft Release regarding EULA changes made with the release of XP, specifically to OEMs for VLAs.

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...569d0a/microsoft-windows-oem-eula-changes.doc

Executive Summary
In September there were several changes to the OEM EULA with the release of Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. There are a number of revisions and updates to the Windows XP EULA terms from previous operating system versions. Many of these changes were made to reduce the length of the Windows XP Product EULA as well as to reorder the terms for improved readability. What remains unchanged is that the Windows XP OEM license is between the OEM and the end user and that the product is typically licensed for use with the hardware or PC on which it was first installed.

Now lets see Mr BBA CSI explain this.

First its CIS. As I stated XP OEM can not be moved from the first PC its install on. That is unless you call MS and give a sad story and the rep allow it. Are you trying to prove what I said?

As for proof of my degree ask me about anything RISC, CISC, C, COBOL, PL1, VB, pascal, turbo pascal, MS OFFICE, lotus 123, lotus notes(script or formula), wordperfect, DB2, Paradox, networking(little outside my degree), DOS, Windows, and hardware. Im not very knowledgeable in unix, linux, or macs with only about 4 years use.

Im not stating this for any other reason than to save us both time and typing.

 

[purplerat]

First its CIS. As I stated XP OEM can not be moved from the first PC its install on. That is unless you call MS and give a sad story and the rep allow it. Are you trying to prove what I said?

As for proof of my degree ask me about anything RISC, CISC, C, COBOL, PL1, VB, pascal, turbo pascal, MS OFFICE, lotus 123, lotus notes(script or formula), wordperfect, DB2, Paradox, networking(little outside my degree), and hardware. Im not that very knowledgeable in unix or linux with only 4 years use.

Im not stating this for any other reason than to save us both time and typing.

I'm not arguing about whether or not or how XP can be moved. I'm putting to rest your statement that there is a difference between XP OEM EULA and previous Windows OEMs EULA in regards to transferability. The document I just posts proofs you were either clueless or lying when you previously said:

This is in your EULA which means if you transfer the OS it must be in full. IE you are allowed to transfer the entire 98SE OS to another system. What I have bolded would say you may not permanently transfer. It doesnt tho and thus you are allowed to use windows 98SE on one system at a time and move it at will.

As for proof that I am the Pope, ask me any question about Catholicism and I will prove I am.

I need not to ask you any questions because you've already proven yourself a fraud. If you really did have an education in IT Business you wouldn't have such confusion over what an OEM Windows OS entails.

 

[elbert]

I'm not arguing about whether or not or how XP can be moved. I'm putting to rest your statement that there is a difference between XP OEM EULA and previous Windows OEMs EULA in regards to transferability. The document I just posts proofs you were either clueless or lying when you previously said:

This is in your EULA which means if you transfer the OS it must be in full. IE you are allowed to transfer the entire 98SE OS to another system. What I have bolded would say you may not permanently transfer. It doesnt tho and thus you are allowed to use windows 98SE on one system at a time and move it at will.

As for proof that I am the Pope, ask me any question about Catholicism and I will prove I am.

I need not to ask you any questions because you've already proven yourself a fraud. If you really did have an education in IT Business you wouldn't have such confusion over what an OEM Windows OS entails.

Executive Summary
In September there were several changes to the OEM EULA with the release of Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. There are a number of revisions and updates to the Windows XP EULA terms from previous operating system versions. Many of these changes were made to reduce the length of the Windows XP Product EULA as well as to reorder the terms for improved readability. What remains unchanged is that the Windows XP OEM license is between the OEM and the end user and that the product is typically licensed for use with the hardware or PC on which it was first installed.

Nothing you posted states any other OS besides XP. Do you just not under this EULA is only XP's? Only thing you prove is you dont understand what you read. This force me to bold the reason your wrong.

 

[purplerat]

Nothing you posted states any other OS besides XP. Do you just not under this EULA is only XP's? Only thing you prove is you dont understand what you read. This force me to bold the reason your wrong.

Are you color blind and my highlighting makes it difficult for you to read or are you just plain illiterate. Or maybe you are just intentionally playing dumb.

This is from the official Microsoft document I posted a link to:

Executive Summary
In September there were several changes to the OEM EULA with the release of Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. There are a number of revisions and updates to the Windows XP EULA terms from previous operating system versions. Many of these changes were made to reduce the length of the Windows XP Product EULA as well as to reorder the terms for improved readability. What remains unchanged is that the Windows XP OEM license is between the OEM and the end user and that the product is typically licensed for use with the hardware or PC on which it was first installed.

Do you need somebody to explain what the words in the bold/underlined sentence mean as if you were 5 years old?

 

[purplerat]

Do you just not under this EULA is only XP's?

First off do you mean understand?

If so this, then no I "do not under this EULA is only XP's?", because this document IS NOT an EULA. It's a list of changes from one EULA to another. Very specifically pre-XP Windows to XP. Exactly the changes you earlier claimed to understand but obviously do not.

 

[elbert]

Nothing you posted states any other OS besides XP. Do you just not under this EULA is only XP's? Only thing you prove is you dont understand what you read. This force me to bold the reason your wrong.

Are you color blind and my highlighting makes it difficult for you to read or are you just plain illiterate. Or maybe you are just intentionally playing dumb.

This is from the official Microsoft document I posted a link to:

Executive Summary
In September there were several changes to the OEM EULA with the release of Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. There are a number of revisions and updates to the Windows XP EULA terms from previous operating system versions. Many of these changes were made to reduce the length of the Windows XP Product EULA as well as to reorder the terms for improved readability. What remains unchanged is that the Windows XP OEM license is between the OEM and the end user and that the product is typically licensed for use with the hardware or PC on which it was first installed.

Do you need somebody to explain what the words in the bold/underlined sentence mean as if you were 5 years old?

Are you blind and illiterate because this is an XP OEM and its revisions EULA only. Are you intentionally not play and just dumb. Im beginning to think your are 5 years old as you dont understand no other OS is mentioned.