Blizzard Introduces BattleTag as Real ID Alternative

[Benihana]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]No one has suggested they have killed of Real ID.[/citation]
I was referring to the 2nd title of this article "Blizzard has killed off the Real ID system for an Xbox LIVE-like BattleTag alias setup."

 

[Guest]

Quote:
"There was only ever one reason they used real names and that was because of their partnership with Facebook. Read any article even here on Tom's and you will see how Facebook is all about ending anonymity. And, if you read Blizzard's privacy policy, if you use Real ID, Blizzard can share your information with Facebook who then can turn around and sell it to marketers as they are not bound by Blizzard's agreements with their customers."
The Chinese govt want to end anonymous posting too. The shut down site that criticize the people in power.
Funny western government want to do the same thing too. Hold citizens who oppose them indefinitely without trail. Or shut down you web site. But they need to know who you are first. So there is great pressure to get end anonymous posting and surfing.

 

[sissysue]

F off Acti-Blizzard, no LAN and your DRM is over the top. Kiss my bare arse.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]Benihana[/nom]I was referring to the 2nd title of this article "Blizzard has killed off the Real ID system for an Xbox LIVE-like BattleTag alias setup."[/citation]
If Battle Tags work just like Real ID, it will essentially kill off Real ID because who will use Real ID over Battle Tags? Now, with Blizzard that's a big if, but if Battel Tags offers the same functionality, including cross realm grouping on WoW, please, tell me what incentive anyone would have to continue using Real ID.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]my point is that if real id was forced like they were planning, you might not have that one douchebag screaming every obscenity into a mic he can remember and who isn't griefing you.[/citation]
And please explain your logic behind that. You yourself gave out your real name. You don't think you can be found by it "realistically, you cant find me if you are casual about it" (your words). You think the griefer on game is going to suddenly be concerned about it. Sorry, but I think you have missed real life bullies posting Youtube videos in the past of them actually hurting other people. Jerks don't care.

And I have heard your argument from many people back when I was playing WoW. Please explain WHY having their real name exposed is suppose to deter someone from behaving badly? You yourself rule out real life consequences, so if they already don't fear an in game penalty, then no reason for them to fear anything.

Now are you saying that there should be real life consequences for someone acting badly? Should someone get beaten up? Fired from a job? Kicked out of school? All over a video game? And keep in mind, minors (anyone under 18), is not suppose to have a WoW account under their real name. It is suppose to be their parents. So how do you seperate John Doe from John Doe Jr.'s actions?

Sorry, you still have no given any point to Real ID. You have attempted a very poorly social engineering excuse, which can clearly be beaten back, but Blizzard's job isn't to be social police. If someone is acting badly in game, they don't need to expose someone's real name to do anything about it, their rules already allow them to ban that person. Their job is to creat a game and game features that customers want to use.

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]And please explain your logic behind that. You yourself gave out your real name. You don't think you can be found by it "realistically, you cant find me if you are casual about it" (your words). You think the griefer on game is going to suddenly be concerned about it. Sorry, but I think you have missed real life bullies posting Youtube videos in the past of them actually hurting other people. Jerks don't care.And I have heard your argument from many people back when I was playing WoW. Please explain WHY having their real name exposed is suppose to deter someone from behaving badly? You yourself rule out real life consequences, so if they already don't fear an in game penalty, then no reason for them to fear anything.Now are you saying that there should be real life consequences for someone acting badly? Should someone get beaten up? Fired from a job? Kicked out of school? All over a video game? And keep in mind, minors (anyone under 18), is not suppose to have a WoW account under their real name. It is suppose to be their parents. So how do you seperate John Doe from John Doe Jr.'s actions?Sorry, you still have no given any point to Real ID. You have attempted a very poorly social engineering excuse, which can clearly be beaten back, but Blizzard's job isn't to be social police. If someone is acting badly in game, they don't need to expose someone's real name to do anything about it, their rules already allow them to ban that person. Their job is to creat a game and game features that customers want to use.[/citation]
im also an adult, someone tells me they are going to hack me or some crap i laugh at them, no... in my experiance, the worst one are kids, tell a kid you are going to hack them, and even the ones that dont believe it fully still believe it.

you are really looking to much into it, lets say a cop is watching you, even if anything you do isnt illegal, you still think twice, that logic can be applied to the games, even if nothing you do will ever be punished, many people, kids being the worst offenders, will think twice

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]im also an adult, someone tells me they are going to hack me or some crap i laugh at them, no... in my experiance, the worst one are kids, tell a kid you are going to hack them, and even the ones that dont believe it fully still believe it. you are really looking to much into it, lets say a cop is watching you, even if anything you do isnt illegal, you still think twice, that logic can be applied to the games, even if nothing you do will ever be punished, many people, kids being the worst offenders, will think twice[/citation]
Except once again you fail to answer the question or address the point. A kid, who is a minor, is not suppose to have their own account. That means the name that shows under Real ID is not suppose to be their name. So there is no worry of someone watching over their shoulder. and if you only add people you know in real life, they know who you are anyway.

Sorry, but you are the one who is looking to much into it. You are the one trying to grasp at straws such as Blizzard making Real ID to stop cyber bullying by adding real names. My only point is one, that really isn't the point since Facebook is their partner in it, and two, if people follow the "it's for friends and family" argument, which apparently they have or else it would have been more of a success meaning Blizzard wouldn't need to introduce Battle Tags, then that's a moot point.

 

[Jprobes]

[citation][nom]wildkitten[/nom]Except once again you fail to answer the question or address the point. A kid, who is a minor, is not suppose to have their own account. That means the name that shows under Real ID is not suppose to be their name. So there is no worry of someone watching over their shoulder. and if you only add people you know in real life, they know who you are anyway.Sorry, but you are the one who is looking to much into it. You are the one trying to grasp at straws such as Blizzard making Real ID to stop cyber bullying by adding real names. My only point is one, that really isn't the point since Facebook is their partner in it, and two, if people follow the "it's for friends and family" argument, which apparently they have or else it would have been more of a success meaning Blizzard wouldn't need to introduce Battle Tags, then that's a moot point.[/citation]

1. Can you please post an official article detailing the link between Real ID and Facebook? As a longtime battle.net user, this is the first time I have heard of such in statement claimed as factual.

2. You need to stop assuming that rules are never broken, especially by parents. Most parents who buy their kids MMO's do not have any strict oversight other then "time" when they play these games. I for one know multiple adults who allow their kids (under 18) to have and maintain their own battle.net accounts because they do not want their kids having unfettered access to their accounts, and do not want to be bothered by monitoring them when they do use them.

The argument you make is flawed. It doesn't take into account the maturity of a child and his inability to deflect persuasion. An adult who is a jerk might care less about the consequences of running into Stormwind and yelling "L o B A M" for 10 minutes.

Kids are assholes. Yet most kids have no comprehension about how their actions are perceived and those who are on the receiving end might act if they felt justified enough.

Just because kids are not supposed to be on Battle.net without a guardian's consent doesn't mean they are on battle.net with a guardians consent.

Anyone under the age of 21 isn't allowed to drink, therefor there should be no DUI/DWI's involving anyone under 21.

Yet I do not think that is the case.

With that being said, I believe Rule #227 has been instituted.

Sorry Wildkitten. Try again.

 

[wildkitten]

[citation][nom]Jprobes[/nom]1. Can you please post an official article detailing the link between Real ID and Facebook? As a longtime battle.net user, this is the first time I have heard of such in statement claimed as factual.2. You need to stop assuming that rules are never broken, especially by parents. Most parents who buy their kids MMO's do not have any strict oversight other then "time" when they play these games. I for one know multiple adults who allow their kids (under 18) to have and maintain their own battle.net accounts because they do not want their kids having unfettered access to their accounts, and do not want to be bothered by monitoring them when they do use them.The argument you make is flawed. It doesn't take into account the maturity of a child and his inability to deflect persuasion. An adult who is a jerk might care less about the consequences of running into Stormwind and yelling "L o B A M" for 10 minutes.Kids are assholes. Yet most kids have no comprehension about how their actions are perceived and those who are on the receiving end might act if they felt justified enough.Just because kids are not supposed to be on Battle.net without a guardian's consent doesn't mean they are on battle.net with a guardians consent.Anyone under the age of 21 isn't allowed to drink, therefor there should be no DUI/DWI's involving anyone under 21.Yet I do not think that is the case.With that being said, I believe Rule #227 has been instituted.Sorry Wildkitten. Try again.[/citation]
1.)http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/05/blizzard-and-facebooks-friendly-social-networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1

Not sure how you could have missed it since they even say within the game that your Real ID friends also show on your Facebook friends pages if you both have that as well. I also question how you can be a long term battle.net user if you are so unaware of the partnership with Facebook in this since that was a huge point of contention in how they implemented Real ID, which in many ways was completely opposite of how they announced it at Blizzcon '08 and what was actually done. Not to mention last summers HUGE uproar when they announced they would force Real ID on the WoW forums.

2.)It doesn't make any difference if kids have the account under their own name. For one thing, if Blizzard finds out, they ban the account. Real ID was NEVER implemented to stop bullying and to make the game nicer. If it was, it would have been made mandatory, and the attempt to make it mandatory on the forums would not have been abandoned. Not to mention the hypocritical argument that "it's for real life friends and family" completely negates this argument because your real life friends and family know who you are regardless if your real name shows or not.

This isn't about who is a jerk or who isn't. This is about why Blizzard implemented Battle Tags. If Real ID had been the success they wanted, they would not have made Battle Tags, plain and simple. And if Battle Tags offer the same functionality, such as cross realm grouping on WoW, then there is no incentive to use Real ID.

So I really don't know why you or the other person even brings up who is a jerk and who isn't. The fact is Real ID has not been a positive. The merger happened just a couple of months before the Blizzcon where Real ID was announced. This means the idea had to have been flushed out before the merger happened. This is some of what they said about Real ID at that Blizzcon...

"Privacy options and parental control should be there."
There were no privacy options. You have never been able to be invisible like you can any other messaging service. The parental controls to disable Real ID were not put into place until AFTER the service was implemented and people demanded that they be put in place as promised.

"...some may be just guild mates..."
Gee, I don't see where it was ever originally intended for real life friends and family only. As a matter of fact, this assertion of only for real life friends or family was ever only said AFTER it was announced that real names would be shown and people objected.

And look at this from Blizzard's own patch notes http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/patch-notes/3-3-5
"The newly released Real ID feature, available to World of Warcraft players as part of patch 3.3.5, is an integral part of this effort, providing you with advanced ways for forming and maintaining meaningful relationships with your friends on the service."

Now, explain how you "form" a relationship where one already exists. You don't. Forming a relationship is by definition making a new friendship. Hence, Blizzard is expressly saying to use Real ID to make new, non real life friendships. That is just one more thing that shows the hypocrisy argument.

This whole notion of Real ID being used to stop bad behavior was only started when Blizzard announced in the summer of 2010 that it was going to be implemented to the official Blizzard forums. Well, that is yet another thing that shows the hypocrisy of the whole "it's for real life friends and family" argument. Unless everyone who uses the Blizzard forums are family or real life friends, well, that sort of destroys that argument. When the hypocrisy was pointed out, then the blind fan kiddies started using that argument. But of course if that was anywhere near the truth, than that would mean people would fear real life consequences, and that is the last thing Blizzard wants from a legal standpoint.

So if Real ID was in any way a success, there would be no Battle Tags.