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[citation][nom]danwat1234[/nom]Or you can get a Tesla Model S for $85,000 after tax breaks and does 0-60 in 4.4 seconds and weighs over 4,000 pounds like the BMW does.No gas guzzler tax, heck no engine at all.I'm glad the M6 has auto start-stop at least and a smart alternator.[/citation]
Or you can get a Lotus Exige S for around 60,000$ that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, weighs under 2,000 pounds and has the best handling chassis known to mankind, unlike the abortion the nerds at Tesla make it into.
Or you can get a Lotus Exige S for around 60,000$ that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, weighs under 2,000 pounds and has the best handling chassis known to mankind, unlike the abortion the nerds at Tesla make it into.
[citation][nom]eternalkp[/nom]Nissan GTR is way better.I can't believe no road legal car is faster than a "nissan"Ultimate machine my ass.[/citation]
Yeah... Because a GT-R is in the same car category as an M6... wait what?
Why don't you compare a GT-R against a Jetta or Carola while you're at it.
Yeah... Because a GT-R is in the same car category as an M6... wait what?
Why don't you compare a GT-R against a Jetta or Carola while you're at it.
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[citation][nom]h4ndsome[/nom]Or you can get a Lotus Exige S for around 60,000$ that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, weighs under 2,000 pounds and has the best handling chassis known to mankind, unlike the abortion the nerds at Tesla make it into.[/citation]
drive one before opening mouth.
drive one before opening mouth.
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[citation][nom]soldier37[/nom]Rather have a 2013 Camaro ZL1 for half the price and get twice the looks.[/citation]
its all yours. The Camaro has an interior that only its mother could love. Look at the instrument cluster in it. Someone should get fired for that.
its all yours. The Camaro has an interior that only its mother could love. Look at the instrument cluster in it. Someone should get fired for that.
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[citation][nom]h4ndsome[/nom]Yeah... Because a GT-R is in the same car category as an M6... wait what?Why don't you compare a GT-R against a Jetta or Carola while you're at it.[/citation]
The M6 and GT-R are both classified as sports cars. I see no reason to not put them in the same category. They are both nearly the same length, the GT-R is lighter but that doesnt put it in a different category.
[citation][nom]eternalkp[/nom]Nissan GTR is way better.I can't believe no road legal car is faster than a "nissan"Ultimate machine my ass.[/citation]
There are plenty of other road legal cars as fast or faster than the GTR, they are just generally more expensive.
The M6 and GT-R are both classified as sports cars. I see no reason to not put them in the same category. They are both nearly the same length, the GT-R is lighter but that doesnt put it in a different category.
[citation][nom]eternalkp[/nom]Nissan GTR is way better.I can't believe no road legal car is faster than a "nissan"Ultimate machine my ass.[/citation]
There are plenty of other road legal cars as fast or faster than the GTR, they are just generally more expensive.
I can get a 87 Buick Grand National in Mint condition for between $25,000-$50,000. I'd MUCH rather have the Buick than this thing.... 
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[citation][nom]daswilhelm[/nom]Ford, yes Ford, produces a mustang, yes mustang, that makes over 650hp, does 200+mph, and doesnt include a gas guzzler tax. oh yea and it costs half as much.[/citation]
Yeah and its a piece of crap on top costing half as much. Uses an ancient pushrod enormous engine, has zero handling, and can't do anything else except accelerate in a straight line.
The BMW has more R&D and technology in one cylinder head assembly than ford's entire lineup since the '60s.
Yeah and its a piece of crap on top costing half as much. Uses an ancient pushrod enormous engine, has zero handling, and can't do anything else except accelerate in a straight line.
The BMW has more R&D and technology in one cylinder head assembly than ford's entire lineup since the '60s.
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[citation][nom]blackhawk1928[/nom]Yeah and its a piece of crap on top costing half as much. Uses an ancient pushrod enormous engine, has zero handling, and can't do anything else except accelerate in a straight line. The BMW has more R&D and technology in one cylinder head assembly than ford's entire lineup since the '60s.[/citation]
wow congrats on the incredibly inaccurate comment. can u link me a part number for these "pushrods" you speak of?
i would like a complete explanation of how a dohc engine would facilitate pushrods.
wow congrats on the incredibly inaccurate comment. can u link me a part number for these "pushrods" you speak of?
i would like a complete explanation of how a dohc engine would facilitate pushrods.
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[citation][nom]afrobacon[/nom]3000GT VR4 with a few go faster parts and a decent fuel management system.[/citation]
The '94 3000GT VR4 peaked at ~300hp stock. So... "a few go faster parts" meaning like a brand new engine, exhaust and other goodies? Comparing a tricked out car to a car at stock is ridiculous. If I go out and buy a station wagon and replace everything and gave it 600hp, you wouldnt use that as a benchmark for station wagons.
The '94 3000GT VR4 peaked at ~300hp stock. So... "a few go faster parts" meaning like a brand new engine, exhaust and other goodies? Comparing a tricked out car to a car at stock is ridiculous. If I go out and buy a station wagon and replace everything and gave it 600hp, you wouldnt use that as a benchmark for station wagons.
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The comments section is why I love to see car reviews on Tom's. There are few things more hilarious than listening to computer nerds talk about cars. Though I will say, the clueless-ness in this particular case has reached the point where it's getting old.
Here are some facts that various commenters will find surprising:
- The gas guzzler tax applies to all vehicles equally regardless of country of origin (excepting light trucks as already noted).
- Both Ford AND Chevy have ~600hp+ cars that cost half as much, the only one that can actually surpass 200mph (the GT500, despite Ford's claims, doesn't quite hit the mark, though it gets very close) costs about the same as the M6 (however in terms of performance the ZR1 would rip apart the M6 in every performance category).
- A 1994 Mitsu 3000GT that is AWD and makes anywhere near 600hp is going to get GREAT gas mileage, because it will be sitting in the shop more than it will be on the road (which means no one is going to be able to "afford" 6 of them for the price of the M6).
- The Nissan GT-R is not even in the same league as the M6. Totally different cars - the GT-R is budget performance (crappy interior, entry-level quality), the M6 offers much better refinement and comfort, and also happens to be pretty fast.
- There are TONS of road cars that are faster than a GT-R...hell there's even a Camaro model and a Mustang model that can hand the GT-R it's ass.
- The Lotus Exige is an excellent car, if you are 5'8" and less than 160lbs.
- Calling both the M6 and GT-R "sports cars" is like calling Wal-Mart and Armani Exchange "stores".
- The OHV (pushrod) engine design is newer than the OHC and DOHC engine designs, and no iteration of the OHV engine appears in ANY Mustang of the last 20 years.
All of the above points are pure fact, noting nothing of my personal opinions.
Here are some facts that various commenters will find surprising:
- The gas guzzler tax applies to all vehicles equally regardless of country of origin (excepting light trucks as already noted).
- Both Ford AND Chevy have ~600hp+ cars that cost half as much, the only one that can actually surpass 200mph (the GT500, despite Ford's claims, doesn't quite hit the mark, though it gets very close) costs about the same as the M6 (however in terms of performance the ZR1 would rip apart the M6 in every performance category).
- A 1994 Mitsu 3000GT that is AWD and makes anywhere near 600hp is going to get GREAT gas mileage, because it will be sitting in the shop more than it will be on the road (which means no one is going to be able to "afford" 6 of them for the price of the M6).
- The Nissan GT-R is not even in the same league as the M6. Totally different cars - the GT-R is budget performance (crappy interior, entry-level quality), the M6 offers much better refinement and comfort, and also happens to be pretty fast.
- There are TONS of road cars that are faster than a GT-R...hell there's even a Camaro model and a Mustang model that can hand the GT-R it's ass.
- The Lotus Exige is an excellent car, if you are 5'8" and less than 160lbs.
- Calling both the M6 and GT-R "sports cars" is like calling Wal-Mart and Armani Exchange "stores".
- The OHV (pushrod) engine design is newer than the OHC and DOHC engine designs, and no iteration of the OHV engine appears in ANY Mustang of the last 20 years.
All of the above points are pure fact, noting nothing of my personal opinions.
[citation][nom]blakbird24[/nom]- The gas guzzler tax applies to all vehicles equally regardless of country of origin (excepting light trucks as already noted).
- the GT-R is budget performance (crappy interior, entry-level quality), the M6 offers much better refinement and comfort, and also happens to be pretty fast.[/citation]
The Gas Guzzler Tax applies only to passenger vehicles, commercial, truck, SUVs, minivans are not covered by it. According to EPA web page http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/index.htm
Are you aware we are talking about new GTR not R34 and older. Camaro and Ford to hand him his ass? Ok here's a challenge, name Chevy or Ford vehicle that costs under $100k and goes 0-60mph in less than 2.7 seconds and has top speed over 200mph, and has better interior than GTR. Only Ford GT comes close to beating it and only in top speed department, with 212mph.
- the GT-R is budget performance (crappy interior, entry-level quality), the M6 offers much better refinement and comfort, and also happens to be pretty fast.[/citation]
The Gas Guzzler Tax applies only to passenger vehicles, commercial, truck, SUVs, minivans are not covered by it. According to EPA web page http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/index.htm
Are you aware we are talking about new GTR not R34 and older. Camaro and Ford to hand him his ass? Ok here's a challenge, name Chevy or Ford vehicle that costs under $100k and goes 0-60mph in less than 2.7 seconds and has top speed over 200mph, and has better interior than GTR. Only Ford GT comes close to beating it and only in top speed department, with 212mph.
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[citation][nom]blakbird24[/nom]The comments section is why I love to see car reviews on Tom's. There are few things more hilarious than listening to computer nerds talk about cars. Though I will say, the clueless-ness in this particular case has reached the point where it's getting old. Here are some facts that various commenters will find surprising:- The gas guzzler tax applies to all vehicles equally regardless of country of origin (excepting light trucks as already noted).- Both Ford AND Chevy have ~600hp+ cars that cost half as much, the only one that can actually surpass 200mph (the GT500, despite Ford's claims, doesn't quite hit the mark, though it gets very close) costs about the same as the M6 (however in terms of performance the ZR1 would rip apart the M6 in every performance category).- A 1994 Mitsu 3000GT that is AWD and makes anywhere near 600hp is going to get GREAT gas mileage, because it will be sitting in the shop more than it will be on the road (which means no one is going to be able to "afford" 6 of them for the price of the M6).- The Nissan GT-R is not even in the same league as the M6. Totally different cars - the GT-R is budget performance (crappy interior, entry-level quality), the M6 offers much better refinement and comfort, and also happens to be pretty fast.- There are TONS of road cars that are faster than a GT-R...hell there's even a Camaro model and a Mustang model that can hand the GT-R it's ass.- The Lotus Exige is an excellent car, if you are 5'8" and less than 160lbs. - Calling both the M6 and GT-R "sports cars" is like calling Wal-Mart and Armani Exchange "stores".- The OHV (pushrod) engine design is newer than the OHC and DOHC engine designs, and no iteration of the OHV engine appears in ANY Mustang of the last 20 years.All of the above points are pure fact, noting nothing of my personal opinions.[/citation]
The Camaro ZL1 (not ZR1), while a nice car does not hand a GT-R its ass. Under any scenario. The 2012 boasts a 0-60 of 3.9, while the 2013 GT-R boasts a 2.7. Thats a significant difference. Even the GT500 with its ridiculous amount of horsepower cant break 3.5. The GT-R even beats the GT500 in the quarter mile. Nobody should even care about top speed since nobody is going to be doing 200mph anyway (but if you want to include it, then yes it does fall a bit behind the GT500).
The only thing that the GT-R loses on is basically top speed. The only cars that are faster or handle better, cost several hundred thousand or are extremely tiny (exige for handling as an example)
Lastly, the M6 and GT-R are both officially classified as sports cars. The M6 likely has more room in the back seat, but thats it for differences. Interiors on both are nice, and while I like the GT-R's styling better, that is down to preference. Why are you hating on the GT-R and claiming to be all knowledgeable? What are your credentials to talk down to everybody? Last I checked, you are posting here on toms too.
The Camaro ZL1 (not ZR1), while a nice car does not hand a GT-R its ass. Under any scenario. The 2012 boasts a 0-60 of 3.9, while the 2013 GT-R boasts a 2.7. Thats a significant difference. Even the GT500 with its ridiculous amount of horsepower cant break 3.5. The GT-R even beats the GT500 in the quarter mile. Nobody should even care about top speed since nobody is going to be doing 200mph anyway (but if you want to include it, then yes it does fall a bit behind the GT500).
The only thing that the GT-R loses on is basically top speed. The only cars that are faster or handle better, cost several hundred thousand or are extremely tiny (exige for handling as an example)
Lastly, the M6 and GT-R are both officially classified as sports cars. The M6 likely has more room in the back seat, but thats it for differences. Interiors on both are nice, and while I like the GT-R's styling better, that is down to preference. Why are you hating on the GT-R and claiming to be all knowledgeable? What are your credentials to talk down to everybody? Last I checked, you are posting here on toms too.
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[citation][nom]reyshan[/nom]So you were saying the old M5 V10 only had 60hp?? Thats amazing how fast they went with only 60hp.[/citation]
"up from" means the old one was 500hp
"up from" means the old one was 500hp
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Great car! For those that keep bringing up cars like the Nissan GT-R, please get over yourselves; you are comparing apples to oranges. If you want to tear up asphalt, go get yourself a GT-R, for people who want, comfort, luxury and power at the same time, go get yourself a BMW M6 or Mercedes AMG, simple as that.
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