Broadwell: Intel Core i7-5775C And i5-5675C Review

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are these numbers real?.............Not only does it match lower mid range cards, but it completely destorys AMD's APUs........

The IGP numbers are not really that surprising: Broadwell's HD6200 has twice as many EUs and they are backed by a 128MB Crystalwell chip providing 100GB/s of memory bandwidth. No wonder it destroys APUs that rely exclusively on DDR3 (25-40GB/s) and gives lower-midrange 128bits GDDR5 GPUs (~100GB/s) a run for their money.

Bringing IGP memory on-package is a game-changer - the beginning of the end for low-end discrete GPUs.

Since Broadwell fared excessively well in benchmarked titles, more demanding titles should have been thrown at it with more demanding options - 122fps in GTA-V low-720p looks like a walk in the park for the 6200. I would have bumped that up to at least low-1080p which is a typical low-end desktop resolution these days and would reduce visible aliasing along with eliminating re-scaling aberrations.

 

[TopLuca]

Well It seems like Intel is going to fly away with the victory yet again , AMD are beaten at their own game . The i7 against an APU seems a little bit silly given the price difference however the star of the show will be the I5 CPU as it can easily be used to build an All in PC that is capable of playing the MMOs and fairly undemanding games at very high FPS or the more demanding games at lower resolutions. If the i5 sells at 220~230 bucks then definitely it will be much more appealing than an APU with a discrete graphics card.

 

[yankeeDDL]

got g3258 i plan to upgrade so what would ppl recommend 4790k @ 4ghz stock or 5775c oced @ 4ghz

Well, the answer really depends on: what do you need to do with your PC and what HW do you already have and how much will the 5775C cost.
If you have a "good" discrete graphic card, then go with the 4790K, if you have to pick between the two, but I'd take a look at the http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-4.html
The i5-4690 is a much better value, for gaming, than the 4970K.

 

[Vlad Rose]

Wow, AMD really looks screwed there. It's a good think I held off on purchasing a A10-7800 to use in a m350 case. Between Broadwell and Nvidia's recent anti-competitive practices, AMD's upcoming CPUs/GPUs may end up being 'make it or break it' for the company to where they may not be around in the next couple years.

 

[vertexx]

Wow, AMD really looks screwed there. It's a good think I held off on purchasing a A10-7800 to use in a m350 case. Between Broadwell and Nvidia's recent anti-competitive practices, AMD's upcoming CPUs/GPUs may end up being 'make it or break it' for the company to where they may not be around in the next couple years.

i5-5675C is priced at $276, which is more than double the $135 for the A10-7800. For integrated graphics, the i5-5675C performs 25% better on average. The A10 wins in price/performance.

 

[LuchianoARG]

"The results of our look at iGPU gaming are clear: Broadwell-DT takes the iGPU performance crown from AMD's APUs. The advantage will vary with the game, but with an average lead of 20% and never once falling behind AMD's APUs, the i5-5675C and its Iris Pro 6200 are clearly the faster option. Ultimately nothing here should be a surprise to AMD - what's changed is not the existence of Iris Pro, but rather the fact that it now comes in a socketed form factor - but for system builders this represents a new option for building a system driven solely by its iGPU.

That said, with a price tag around 2x the cost of AMD's best APU, this is a very expensive way to get another 20%. Combining another CPU with a discrete GPU is almost certainly going to be a better option as far as cost effectiveness goes. But as far as integrated GPUs go Intel does hold the top position."

Sorry TH, AnandTech made it better this time.

 

[Vlad Rose]

Wow, AMD really looks screwed there. It's a good think I held off on purchasing a A10-7800 to use in a m350 case. Between Broadwell and Nvidia's recent anti-competitive practices, AMD's upcoming CPUs/GPUs may end up being 'make it or break it' for the company to where they may not be around in the next couple years.

i5-5675C is priced at $276, which is more than double the $135 for the A10-7800. For integrated graphics, the i5-5675C performs 20% better on average. The A10 wins in price/performance.

While that works for AMD for now with their bang for the buck, I don't know if they will be able to keep it up. Intel had released their anniversary Pentium chips last generation to attack the low end market where AMD shines. While it was a failure for titles needing 4 cores, it did cannibalize part of AMD's market, I'm guessing Intel will more than likely do the same with their Broadwell generation.

 

[killerchickens]

Intel should make low end iris pro gpus.

 

[Onus]

If I remember correctly, the benchmarks for GW2 showed you needed a HD7870 to max that game. That's well beyond what these can do, so you will still need a discrete GPU for good settings on games. That makes the prices published by Anandtech look high to me. If all you needed was a $100-$120 graphics card, these alone might be enough, and if you need the CPU muscle, a fairly good deal. If your CPU needs are as modest as your graphics needs, a Haswell i3 or even a G3258 may make more sense.
The niche for this seems to be professionals who may also want to sample a few games, on very modest but still enjoyable settings.

 

[Vlad Rose]

If I remember correctly, the benchmarks for GW2 showed you needed a HD7870 to max that game. That's well beyond what these can do, so you will still need a discrete GPU for good settings on games. That makes the prices published by Anandtech look high to me. If all you needed was a $100-$120 graphics card, these alone might be enough, and if you need the CPU muscle, a fairly good deal. If your CPU needs are as modest as your graphics needs, a Haswell i3 or even a G3258 may make more sense.
The niche for this seems to be professionals who may also want to sample a few games, on very modest but still enjoyable settings.

Actually, I see these being popular for Steamboxes and HTPCs where space is a premium. I was looking at an AMD 7800 originally for one, but it looks like I may end up switching:

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/krrxFT/pico-size-console-replacement

 

[medi01]

Sad how AMD is absolutely shoved into the dust bin. I hope their upcoming Zen next year will be worthwhile with its 14nm process and more Intel-like cores.

270$ 14nm CPU beats 100$ 28nm CPU.
And that is when targeting "cheap, fast enough" market.

Yeah, that'll show them!

 

[cheesemanx]

I am very much loving the development of on-die graphics, for the budget gamer our dollar is going farther and farther with every new generation, and before someone blows up at me, yes we would all love a trio of Titan Xs and a 5960x but some of us have to think about college for our kids, and still want to game.

 

[Ghoul]

Can you add Iris Pro 6200 in the GPU hierarchy chart?

 

[Intelia]

not surprising given that it has an irs pro gpu in it, that's intel top of the line gpu. now obv even with that said it's in no competition with highend gpus from NVidia or amd as any apu's gpu would get destroyed, but what's good is the fact that it's helping to push gpus on apu's to become better and better and since intel has greatly stepped up their game in the apu's gpu department i'd expect amd to step up their game even further and push back. I also see that since there is such a big gain with broadwells gpu, that skylake won't see any real jump in that department. i'd imagine that the irs 6000 series is going to carry over onto skylake with little improvement over broadwells irs 6200.

Why are you saying this . When its common knowledge That generation 9 brings massive improvements. The Skylake GT4e is 50% faster than the Broadwell GT3e. Also the Skylake Desktop GT4e is a 95watt TDP . The thing I don't get is the way you replied . Like you Know the GT4e performance. Which in your case is a complete LIE in the manor in which you replied. If you didn't know . Why would you downplay the Skylake GT4e performance . 72Eus in skylake compared to 48 in broadwell . Its also more than just more EUs . Your reply seems to carry an agenda with it.

 

[jjb8675309]

Why not show what discrete GPUs they are in the ballpark of after the gtx 750?

 

[cknobman]

i7-5775C is priced at $480!

For that price I'd expect it to perform damn good.

Too expensive for my blood.

 

[Intelia]

Myself I can't wait for the Skylake desktop with GT4e. Its will be 50%+ faster than this igpu . I will know longer have to buy Overpriced dGPU. The Skylake GT4e Will play all the games I like just fine. As it will for for 99% of gamers. Bye Bye NV/AMD it hasn't been a pleasant experieance.

 

[Onus]

Interesting idea; hopefully the APU won't produce too much heat. The smallest system I built was in one of these miniITX InWin cases: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108428 and used an i5-3570K with a HD7750.

 

[Vlad Rose]

Sad how AMD is absolutely shoved into the dust bin. I hope their upcoming Zen next year will be worthwhile with its 14nm process and more Intel-like cores.

270$ 14nm CPU beats 100$ 28nm CPU.
And that is when targeting "cheap, fast enough" market.

Yeah, that'll show them!

People where saying the same thing with the Haswell generation due to the i3s and i5s being more expensive. Then they released the Pentium Anniversary Edition; luckily games are starting to need 4 cores.... These Broadwell's are only their first two models from this generation. I'm guessing they'll release an i3 (or pentium even) version later; if not, it will show up in Skylake. AMD can't keep relying on selling cheap CPUs as a 'bang for the buck' and will need something more.

 

[Intelia]

I like how Vlad Rose tries to talk about price here and refers only to the Igpu performance differance of 20% leaving the 100% cpu advantage out of the the performance cost Factor . This Cpu is better than AMDs by 2x and its price performance warrants the price differance .

 

[beetlejuicegr]

Very good cpus but at what price. And when we all say "good" what do we mean?


It seems to me those cpus are an "experiment" of some sort for the 14mm production. We will definitely see more insane cpus from intel later on.

These two ones are really what someone would dream for a basic gaming laptop who wouldn't want to pray everytime he plays if the nvidia or amd discrete chip gets destroyed from heat.
Especially in warm countries..those 2 chips will be god like for basic gaming laptops or towers. I can imagine an internet cafe made from those cpus to be honest.

Even if those 2 chips cost double from the top end AMD apus, i would gladly buy them because the difference in performance is one thing, the "playablility " in the other had is more important. What i mean is those chips here can play decently all games at 30 fps on medium settings? I doubt we can find a combo at the same price total of discrete gpu and cpu to achieve the same, especially if you factor heat output and stuff like that.

Now for the "RIP AMD" i don't agree. All those last years intel and amd has been the cat and mouse of processors.
Intel would make a breathkthrough, AMD would try to follow going for low end and mid end efforts while intel would milk the cow at start. When AMD would reach somehow in performance/dollar, intel would wow us again for few months with something extremely new breaking the limits we had in mind.

 

[xenol]

are these numbers real?.............Not only does it match lower mid range cards, but it completely destorys AMD's APUs........
:shock:

If that is right, then what the hell just happened in Intel's graphics department?

 

[xenol]

are these numbers real?.............Not only does it match lower mid range cards, but it completely destorys AMD's APUs........
:shock:

OMG a $270 APU is faster than a $130 one. Who would have thought.

Intel couldn't really beat AMD's APUs except the Iris Pro, and that only beat them by maybe 10%. So it didn't make sense why a $300 "APU" wasn't beating a ~$150 one.

Now it is, by a significant margin.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I have a question, maybe I read something wrong but whats the MSRP for these CPUs? I remember the earlier Iris Pro's going for $300+ USD per chip.

I ask this because that 128MB of on die eDRAM is not cheap and is the cause for the huge jump in graphics performance vs AMD APU's which lack such a large dedicated graphics cache. If this chip is in the above mentioned price range, it blows past it's target market pretty heavily.

The Iris Pro 5200 also had the 128MB eDRAM cache, it was the first IGP to have it.

I have a question, maybe I read something wrong but whats the MSRP for these CPUs? I remember the earlier Iris Pro's going for $300+ USD per chip.

I ask this because that 128MB of on die eDRAM is not cheap and is the cause for the huge jump in graphics performance vs AMD APU's which lack such a large dedicated graphics cache. If this chip is in the above mentioned price range, it blows past it's target market pretty heavily.

http://www.techspot.com/news/60864-intel-launches-new-broadwell-cpus.html
i haven't seen prices on intel's website yet.
considering a10 7870k's $137 msrp, amd has price/perf advantage.
afaik, the edram cost around $80.

In a all in one package, yes. But if you want the same performance you have to ad in a discrete GPU which can cost about $100 +/- and also increase cost in the PSU area.

I just think it is interesting to see Intels IGP do so well when not too long ago there were plenty of people saying they would never do that well and that AMDs IGPs would always be better. I simply said, and it will always stand true, that Intel has a ton of money and if they want to do something, they will do it.

Plus I prefer this. It means AMD will have to try harder to not be outdone in their, normally, market.

 

[Wisecracker]

Good for Intel ... sorta.

Great boost in graphics performance with reduced TDP but same marketing/propaganda as with Haswell GT3e -- comparing the graphics engine of the new Iris Pro to older engines with 1/2 the EUs ... which begs the question:

Why was Broadwell GT3e not compared to Haswell GT3e?

... This Cpu is better than AMDs by 2x and its price performance warrants the price differance .

This is so true. Just look at those Adobe benchmarks where the Intel CPUs are anywhere from 30- to a gazillion-percent faster ...

but don't tell anyone: that effective difference is in micro-seconds