[SOLVED] Build Help Request: ~$500-$600 PC for math calculations

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Hello, I am a professional poker player doing intensive mathmatical calculations with a popular poker solver (Piosolver: https://www.piosolver.com/). This is the only software I will install on this computer (besides Windows, of course). Basic hardware recommendations are available at: https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq [point #9]

I need a dedicated computer for this purpose, as the computer cannot be used effectively while these calculations are taking place.

My current CPU is an old-but-still-OK Intel i7-4820K @ 3.70GHz. I have 64GB RAM. This new build must be at least as fast (preferably 50% faster).

I realize that Black Friday/Cyber Monday is coming up, but I will probably only have $200 to spend at that time.

Approximate Purchase Date: 12/7/19

Budget Range: ~$500-$600 (can go "slightly" higher if this results in decent upgrades.)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Math calculations only. The software I am using can utilize all cores and does NOT employ GPU calculations.

*RAM required: At LEAST 16GB, preferably 32GB (and the ability to upgrade to 64GB would be a moderate plus)

*GPU: A minimal GPU that will still run routine graphics fairly smoothly (no animation or streaming necessary, all "still" graphics). My software does not use GPU calculation.

*Storage: Hard drive 250GB minimum...500GB is a moderate plus (SSD not required, but of course always helpful. I would rather have a 256GB than a 512GB Hard Drive. 512GB would be a moderate plus)

Are you buying a monitor: Yes: 17" super-cheap monitor is fine.

Parts to Upgrade: Completely new system

Do you need to buy OS: Yes (any Windows 64 bit)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: none

Location: City, State/Region, Country - Kansas City, Kansas, USA

Parts Preferences: None

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1024x768 is fine (but of course higher is always better)

Additional Comments: Software I am using: Piosolver (https://www.piosolver.com/) Basic hardware recommendations are available at: https://www.piosolver.com/pages/faq [point #9]

Why Are You Upgrading: This is a second computer specifically for Piosolver, as I can only (effectively) run these calculations on my main computer when not using it.

ThanX!
John
 
That software excels with the more number of threads on offer. The MSI MAX Series motherboards are Ryzen 3rd gen. ready out of the box. Something like this should be pretty good...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $499.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard | MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $79.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $124.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce GT 710 2 GB Video Card | $44.99 @ Amazon
Case | Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case | $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $44.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $929.93
| Mail-in rebates | -$50.00
| Total | $879.93
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 05:41 EST-0500 |
 
You are asking for a lot out of a $600 build, considering you need a monitor and Windows OS.

I had to compromise on a lot to get it under $600. Sales tax will put you well over. It should be about 15% faster than your i7-4820K. If you already had a graphics card you could get an 8-core Ryzen 7 and nearly double your performance.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($128.69 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.99 @ B&H)
Memory: OLOy 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($31.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($25.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Corsair)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer R221Q bid 21.5" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor ($79.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $595.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-17 22:39 EST-0500
 
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Thank you for your quick reply! A few questions:

1. I noticed that there is no GPU listed above. Is it not necessary with that CPU?

2. If I would upgrade to a Ryzen 7, what is the minimum graphics card that I could get by with?

3. Which Ryzen 7 CPU would you recommend?

4. Would I need to upgrade the motherboard if I purchased a Ryzen 7?

I can save some by getting a dirt-cheap used monitor for now. This looks like a very promising start to a build...depending on your answers to the above, I will probably extend my budget a little bit since I can get an incredible increase in performance.

Many ThanX!
 
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I messed around with a Ryzen 7 build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/qattack/saved/#view=QbgGcf

Total is $833.35 without monitor, which would be acceptable for the enormous performance increase.

A couple questions about my selections:
  1. Can I buy a cheaper video card?
  2. Can I buy a cheaper power supply? (I kept getting messages that my choice lacked a 12v connector...looked at another build to choose my power supply, but probably can be cheaper)
  3. RAM: is the increased speed helpful? Or is there a limit as to how fast the CPU can interact with RAM?
  4. I chose a slightly bigger case. This is probably better for air flow?
ThanX Again!
 
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PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YTdqp8

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($326.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler ($38.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($78.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Silicon Power Ace A55 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GT 1030 2 GB Video Card ($88.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $866.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 04:37 EST-0500


Windows 10 pro x64 key is around 5 bucks in allkeyshop.com. Mbo needs an bios update to run this processor or if you are lucky you can get factory updated. Gpu is weak but enough. Ram is working at low latency - 16 and high speed - 3200MHZ which is really good. For this money you will get prety solid performance. NOT FOR OVERCLOCK. Do not try to overclock ram or cpu or gpu on this mbo. You dont need to, its efficient as how it is now without overclock. It should be ok if you try to run the proccessor in turbo mode. You could find 2nd hand 17'' monitor for like 20 bucks.
 
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That software excels with the more number of threads on offer. The MSI MAX Series motherboards are Ryzen 3rd gen. ready out of the box. Something like this should be pretty good...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $499.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard | MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $79.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $124.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce GT 710 2 GB Video Card | $44.99 @ Amazon
Case | Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case | $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $44.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $929.93
| Mail-in rebates | -$50.00
| Total | $879.93
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 05:41 EST-0500 |
 
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That software excels with the more number of threads on offer. The MSI MAX Series motherboards are Ryzen 3rd gen. ready out of the box. Something like this should be pretty good...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $499.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard | MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $79.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $124.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce GT 710 2 GB Video Card | $44.99 @ Amazon
Case | Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case | $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $44.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $929.93
| Mail-in rebates | -$50.00
| Total | $879.93
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 05:41 EST-0500 |
3900x will need really serious cooler. Stock cooler wont be enough becouse this program uses all the cores which could take the processor to 100%.
 
3900x will need really serious cooler. Stock cooler wont be enough becouse this program uses all the cores which could take the processor to 100%.
The stock cooler is more than capable of handling full load and then some...
---------For running stock the Ryzen 9 3900X doesn’t need a big cooler strapped on for maximum performance and it certainly doesn’t require liquid cooling. Even when enabling PBO you won’t gain much more performance by upgrading the cooler. We're not saying you shouldn’t upgrade the cooler for lower temperatures and quieter operation, simply that by doing so you won’t squeeze much extra performance. ---------
https://www.techspot.com/review/1875-ryzen-3900x-wraith-prism-rgb-vs-liquid-cooler/
 
That software excels with the more number of threads on offer. The MSI MAX Series motherboards are Ryzen 3rd gen. ready out of the box. Something like this should be pretty good...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $499.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard | MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $79.99 @ B&H
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory | $124.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac GeForce GT 710 2 GB Video Card | $44.99 @ Amazon
Case | Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case | $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $44.99 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $929.93
| Mail-in rebates | -$50.00
| Total | $879.93
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 05:41 EST-0500 |
This looks good. If it's too expensive you can go down to a Ryzen 7 1700X, 2700, 2700X, 3700, or 3700X.

Power supply is fine because you don't have to power a beefy graphics card as well.
Case airflow might be a factor, but not as much since you don't have a big graphics card.
DDR4 3600 is better and you might see a small difference with it. Get the 3600 if you can, but only with 3rd-gen Ryzen because 2nd-gen and 1st-gen might not run it at that speed.
It doesn't matter what video card you have as long as you have one to display output.
My first build at the top of this thread had the Ryzen 5 3400G, which has built-in graphics. The G on the end indicates that.
 
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PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $326.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard | Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $70.98 @ Amazon
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $259.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Silicon Power Ace A55 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $27.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | PNY GeForce GT 610 1 GB Video Card | $29.99 @ Amazon
Case | Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case | $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Rosewill RD-Z 400 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply | $34.97 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $805.90
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| Total | $775.90
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 08:37 EST-0500 |

In my opinion you should go for this. Psu is low watt and only 80+ but you dont have an buffy gpu to power so. Overall is 222watt. Its one of the best choices considering that you wont overclock and only using turbo (if needed). Its a bit more than your budget but it has 64GB ram and 3rd gen ryzen 7 proccessor which is low power hungry, only 65w.
 
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PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor | $326.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard | Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $70.98 @ Amazon
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory | $259.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Silicon Power Ace A55 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $27.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | PNY GeForce GT 610 1 GB Video Card | $29.99 @ Amazon
Case | Thermaltake Versa N21 ATX Mid Tower Case | $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Rosewill RD-Z 400 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply | $34.97 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $805.90
| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00
| Total | $775.90
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-18 08:37 EST-0500 |

In my opinion you should go for this. Psu is low watt and only 80+ but you dont have an buffy gpu to power so. Overall is 222watt. Its one of the best choices considering that you wont overclock and only using turbo (if needed). Its a bit more than your budget but it has 64GB ram and 3rd gen ryzen 7 proccessor which is low power hungry, only 65w.
Untired and unreviewed components are never recommended. That PSU is a fire hazard. The 256gb drive is way too small and will fill out in no time. Also, compute processes should benefit a lot from faster NVME speeds. 64GB RAM is way overkill for the balance of the build at that budget.
 
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That software excels with the more number of threads on offer. The MSI MAX Series motherboards are Ryzen 3rd gen. ready out of the box. Something like this should be pretty good...

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $499.99 @ Best Buy
Motherboard | MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $79.99 @ B&H
Jeezus, this is an incredible build for the price compared to what I was thinking. I'm not up on the latest CPUs and prices vs. speed and I had a jaw-drop moment when I saw the benchmark for this CPU. I assumed the rest of the necessary components for such a powerful CPU would cost a couple thousand.

32GB RAM is a great start; I can upgrade to 64GB later.

After consideration, I will start with a 1TB HD in addition to an SSD...so I can store the full trees.

I very much appreciate the input from everyone.
 

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Jeezus, this is an incredible build for the price compared to what I was thinking. I'm not up on the latest CPUs and prices vs. speed and I had a jaw-drop moment when I saw the benchmark for this CPU. I assumed the rest of the necessary components for such a powerful CPU would cost a couple thousand.

32GB RAM is a great start; I can upgrade to 64GB later.

After consideration, I will start with a 1TB HD in addition to an SSD...so I can store the full trees.

I very much appreciate the input from everyone.
I'm not sure about that motherboard for a 3900x whether the VRMs would be up to it.
 

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