Bullcrap

[Jake_Barnes]

The flag avatar. Oh you will like this. When I noticed it was when you and DH both had the flag avatar. It was just after Mozz left, and I was a little worried about how Mods were seen.
I thought of Spitfire and how international the forum is. Maybe some of the members may not be too happy with the U.S. But truth is, DH was just as much a concern.
While I'm at it, my biggest concern about the mods can be summed up by how they answer three questions
1 Was Bush right to invade Iraq?
2 Was Sadam Husien in league with the taliban?
3 Did the invasion of Iraq diminish world terrorism?
I think you all would answer yes to those. Most of the world would disagree. This forum is made up of "most of the world"

See, "this moderator" suspected that there was a larger agenda to this than just "style". This thread is not big enough for an Iraq debate. Sorry.

 

[BigMac]

If you guys don't mind I want to add a few remarks to your dialogue (it being a forum and all )

1. No gloating or bragging, just "the facts". I'm curious, where do you see gloating?

Like I said, I wish you could see your post through my eyes. Maybe it's the use of so many "I"s. Maybe it's just the tone.

In these cases there is always a transmitter and a receiver. Both can do something to make sure that they understand each other. So I understand your point, endyen, but you should also give Jake some slack.

4 Is probably what it's all about. You are a no nonsense, cut to the chase guy (my perception, and not ment as an insult) Perhaps it would be better sometimes if you just slowed it down a notch. I'll use Ned as an example. It may have been resolved more easily, if you had started with something like. Hi Ned
I'm a little concerned about your sig. Iknow that there are a lot of people who are fine with the word " ", but I am having a few problems. There are a couple of compaints, and since you take your sig all around the forum, it's got high visability. As a favor to THG, would you please loose that word.

You do catch more flies with sugar than with vinegar.
And no, you dont have to waste your time with everyone, but people who have been posting here for over a year?
As far as keeping it civil, ya that's a good idea, for bothe of us. Sometimes I go off the deep end, and I dont generally back down from a fight.


As we already agree about giving each other some slack, you must understand, endyen, that Jake understands all this. However there is only so much crap someone can take, and then it's over. Only at that time, and later, are you getting involved and you see the complaints of how people feel they've been mistreated while in fact they have been misbehaving for quite some time.

You really have to be careful in judging conflicts like this between other people here on the forum because you only see a small percentage of all interaction that is going on between these people.

Keep that in mind, give mods some slack, and I know for certain that if you get your first moderator interaction it will be very civil.

With regard to your Iraq questions. Would be nice if you started that one up as a topic in the other. If it is of any reassurance, I'm from the Netherlands, and I would not have answered yes to all of the questions (although I'm leaving you in suspence which one(s), you'll have to start that topic in the other to find out).

 

[mrface]

While I'm at it, my biggest concern about the mods can be summed up by how they answer three questions
1 Was Bush right to invade Iraq?
2 Was Sadam Husien in league with the taliban?
3 Did the invasion of Iraq diminish world terrorism?
I think you all would answer yes to those. Most of the world would disagree. This forum is made up of "most of the world"

what does this have to do with the mods? are you using this thread as you "soapbox" against this? :?

 

[endyen]

are you using this thread as you "soapbox" against this?

NOT
I respect that the rest of the world sees things differently, and would only answer no to the second . The others would be a maybe. (and then only in hindsight for #3)
The point was that the people who use this forum may have different concepts of right and wrong from those held by the current mods.
Nor am I saying that I dont like any of the mods. That would be arrogant and irrevilant. I'm mostly saying that the wider the philosophies of the mods the better.

 

[mrface]

but those three questions have nothing to do with the mods, or about how they moderate the forums,

youre asking political questions, almost like you are trying to bait them into an argument about politics, if you wanted to do that, you should make a thread in the other about it, not here.

 

[RCPilot]

You haven't a clue...... [/shrug]

 

[Jake_Barnes]

The purpose here is show the moderation team the form of acceptable actions they should take in the intrest of TGForumz as a whole.

This was not the case when Ned_Flanders got banned.

wusy, for the last time, you do not define "acceptable" or anything like that ... your comments about moderators and how they need to act is becoming tiresome ...

 

[mrface]

you really dont get what im asking, because youre reply has nothing to do with the topic of the iraq war, bush, saddam...

and that is my point those three things have nothing to do with the moderation of TGForums. maybe im missing something, but its quite asinine to bring these up hile we/you/anyone is talking about the friggin moderation team on the forums.

 

[endyen]

almost like you are trying to bait them into an argument about politics,

Only if your idea of politics is made of two groups. Those who support Bush 100%, and the rest of the world. There-in is the crux. The mods are all too much like each other. For them to come to a group code value that is world-centric, they need more variety. Toss a Slvr, and a Spitfire into thier current mix, and they will be more rounded.
Turning the mods into an old boys club may be more fun for them, but it makes it hard for them to understand other people's perspective.
So, you see, what those three questions do, is show how much the mods are alike.
Oh, and btw one of the first things the mods forum should have done is come up with a polite way of telling people they screwed up. (s form letter, that can be personalized)

 

[dhlucke]

I've seen posts deleted from this thread.... :?

 

[Jake_Barnes]

Only if your idea of politics is made of two groups. Those who support Bush 100%, and the rest of the world. There-in is the crux. The mods are all too much like each other. For them to come to a group code value that is world-centric, they need more variety. Toss a Slvr, and a Spitfire into thier current mix, and they will be more rounded.
Turning the mods into an old boys club may be more fun for them, but it makes it hard for them to understand other people's perspective.
So, you see, what those three questions do, is show how much the mods are alike.
Oh, and btw one of the first things the mods forum should have done is come up with a polite way of telling people they screwed up. (s form letter, that can be personalized)

You don't mind if we agree to disagree do you?

 

[RichPLS]

You have your right to your opinion, but a wider philosophical understanding from the moderators viewpoint seems necessary to conduct a healthy and thriving international community.
Anything else, and it seems to breed secrecy suspicion and contempt.
Granted I fail to see stuff so well from other perspectives at times, but surprisingly I do on many other occasions very well.

 

[Jake_Barnes]

Granted I fail to see stuff so well from other perspectives at times, but surprisingly I do on many other occasions very well.

Then, I'd suggest that what you think you know - you forward to Fredi. This endless innuendo will only get you into problems. Just some friendly advice.
Prove your points ... :x

 

[RichPLS]

I am not sure I understand nor know to what you are referring to.
What I said is simply that as I have stated. [/shrugs]

 

[Jake_Barnes]

I've seen posts deleted from this thread.... :?

Hell, "I see dead people" ... [/Haley Joel Osment]

Your point is?

 

[dhlucke]

My point is that I've seen posts deleted that didn't need to be deleted. You simply don't want to hear some opinions-mainly those that differ with yours.

 

[BigMac]

My point is that I've seen posts deleted that didn't need to be deleted. You simply don't want to hear some opinions-mainly those that differ with yours.

It certainly were no responses of yours to my challenges to you. I do not see why we should discuss anything with you if you only want to discuss things on your terms. That is not how it works.

I would love to hear your opinions, but start with some simple principles like answering someone that is asking valid questions to you. If we should follow your reasoning of refusing to answer because you saw something somewhere that you did not like, then every discussion with you would be over, and there would be no point for you to post anything.

 

[endyen]

I never thought you would agree. Like I said in the beginning, I just wish you could see things through my eyes.
I know you didn't really listen, but at least you had the courtesy to act like you were.

 

[Jake_Barnes]

I know you didn't really listen, but at least you had the courtesy to act like you were.

How in the world would you know what I hear or don't hear? Have you beccome clairvoyant?

 

[Jake_Barnes]

My point is that I've seen posts deleted that didn't need to be deleted. You simply don't want to hear some opinions-mainly those that differ with yours.

You used "posts" (plural) - that's inaccurate, but you know that anyway.

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[endyen]

Why would I need to be clairvoyant?
You dont want, or feel a need to change the way these forums are moderated. I'm not saying you didn't read what I typed, just that you had no motivation to "really" listen. I should have used those quotation marks, for clarity.
I am beginning to suspect that you are not a bad guy.
I already knew that Ned is not a bad guy.
It's a pity that the two of you couldn't get alone a bit better.
The same might be said for DH. I dont know him very well, but from some of the posts in the old other, you seemed to get along well enough.
I dont expect you two to kiss and make up, but you bothe could cut each other some slack.
You dont have to start it Jake, after all you are the head mod. Then again, that may be the very reason you can.

 

[mrface]

youre dancing around what i said, and i wished i was in town to answer you fully but i wasnt so i will answer with the best of my knowledge.

you say that all the mods are exactly the same; being they all support bush.

(bigmac please correct me if im wrong) but im 87% sure the bigmac is not a supporter of bush, am100% sure he is not american(nor robd for the fact) so they arent all alike, hell i dont even think fredi is amercian.

i thin kyou see things the way you want too see them and then act like you are trying to view it from other peoples POV's and tell them to be openminded.

but again like i said earlier, the whole bush comment(s) kind of nullified your whole argument being that they were offtopic and had nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

but again like i said earlier, the whole bush comment(s) kind of nullified your whole argument being that they were offtopic and had nothing to do with the discussion.

Actually, I thought they made a rather good point. I don't think it had anything to do with Dubya. I think it had everything to do with the simple fact that not everyone shares the same PoV. And IMHO that was even made pretty clear.

When the mods are so chummy chummy that they eject mods from their clique for disagreeing with the hive-mind PoV you end up with horrible moderation. Instead of respecting each other's differences and using that as a strength.

But hey, what do I know? It's not like I've ever run my own forums in the past or anything. And it's not like I've ever been a moderator of other people's growing forums or anything. And I've certainly never left being a moderator because of these very problems creeping into the moderator clique to abuse their power.

Oh wait, I have. Which is why you couldn't get me to mod these forumz even if you paid me too. Hell, I'm not even sure I want to post at these forumz any more after this thread and the way it was handled. Hence why I was gone for so long. I had better things to do and wasting my time with this BS was not worth it. <sarcasm>So nice to see nothing has changed while I was gone.</sarcasm>