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It is still appropriate to complain to Dell about shipping issues.
You do not have the contractual relationship with UPS, Dell does.
ALL issues regardless the source should be reported to Dell.
This does not mean it is not appropriate to contact UPS directly, just
that Dell should be the main contact.

--
Jupiter Jones
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Vince McGowan" <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote in message
news:GjDAc.4981> You've raised good points. I also wonder if the OP
can put himself in
> Dell's place (or any business, for that matter) for a moment and
> consider what his response would be if a customer claimed he hadn't
> received his package, yet they have a signed delivery notice from
UPS
> for the shipment?
>
 
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"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2jg7l8F10poj7U1@uni-berlin.de...
> In article <2jdqa8F10edbgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Technobarbarian"
<randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:239468a3.0406162052.2a3f5520@posting.google.com...
> >> Here's my experience.
> >>
> >> The first week of April 2004, I am considering ordering a Dell
> >> Dimension 8300. I tell the sales rep on the phone that I am undecided,
> >> will look at other systems first before making a decision. The sales
> >> rep tells me " If you order now, I will upgrade your CRT monitor to a
> >> flat screen CRT for no extra cost." I agree and she takes my order.
> >>
> >> When I recieved the Dell from UPS, I open the box and discover that I
> >> got the cheaper monitor that I did not want, and the computer case is
> >> scratched up, looking much like a refurbished computer (the box was
> >> not damaged at all, however it was not packed well).
> >
> > You were lucky they used UPS. My last order from Dell, and it will be
my
> >last order because of the run around I got from the Indians, they sent
$200
> >worth of equipment on some off brand shipper, who left the box on a chair
by
> >my front door. About a week before that a city cop had had his bicycle
> >stolen about 20 feet from that spot. If I spend the money for first class
> >equipment, why would I want second class shipping and service?
>

You received the item on time and in working order I take it as I do not see
any complaint about that. So must not have been that bad a "off brand
shipper". It is not uncommon for companies to ship items with no signature
required, mine does. The loss through stolen packages is much less than
having to reship all the time because the schmuck that had to have it right
away was not home on any of the 3 delivery attempts resulting in additional
shipping costs.


Guess you might want to look into a safer neighborhood. Dell sells PC
equipment not security services.
 
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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
news:qPJAc.135145$Yr.11526@okepread04...
>
> "Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2jg7l8F10poj7U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > In article <2jdqa8F10edbgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Technobarbarian"
> <randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:239468a3.0406162052.2a3f5520@posting.google.com...
> > >> Here's my experience.
> > >>
> > >> The first week of April 2004, I am considering ordering a Dell
> > >> Dimension 8300. I tell the sales rep on the phone that I am
undecided,
> > >> will look at other systems first before making a decision. The sales
> > >> rep tells me " If you order now, I will upgrade your CRT monitor to a
> > >> flat screen CRT for no extra cost." I agree and she takes my order.
> > >>
> > >> When I recieved the Dell from UPS, I open the box and discover that I
> > >> got the cheaper monitor that I did not want, and the computer case is
> > >> scratched up, looking much like a refurbished computer (the box was
> > >> not damaged at all, however it was not packed well).
> > >
> > > You were lucky they used UPS. My last order from Dell, and it will
be
> my
> > >last order because of the run around I got from the Indians, they sent
> $200
> > >worth of equipment on some off brand shipper, who left the box on a
chair
> by
> > >my front door. About a week before that a city cop had had his bicycle
> > >stolen about 20 feet from that spot. If I spend the money for first
class
> > >equipment, why would I want second class shipping and service?
> >
>
> You received the item on time and in working order I take it as I do not
see
> any complaint about that.

Yep, this package arrived on time and in working order. The last one
with the same shipper did not. When I complained to the local manager that
that package had arrived in town early enough in the morning to be delivered
that day and on time his response was complain to Dell, they're the
customer--you aren't.

> So must not have been that bad a "off brand
> shipper". It is not uncommon for companies to ship items with no signature
> required, mine does. The loss through stolen packages is much less than
> having to reship all the time because the schmuck that had to have it
right
> away was not home on any of the 3 delivery attempts resulting in
additional
> shipping costs.

Like I want to argue with Dell about whether or not I actually got an
item that was basically thrown out of the truck like a newspaper.

> Guess you might want to look into a safer neighborhood. Dell sells PC
> equipment not security services.

They *are* trying to be an online merchant. If they disavow all
responsibility for what happens after the order is recieved they aren't much
use to real life consumers. If *they* have problem with my neighborhood they
don't have to sell to me (not likely to be a problem in the future). Even
when I lived way out in the boonies I wouldn't have appreciated this sort of
delivery, here in a typical urban neighborhood I certainly don't.

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LOL.. (but not at your mishaps) I would at least make an attempt to
transform Dell's screw ups into yet more free upgrades. Demand
satisfaction!!

Or.......

Refuse/cancel/dispute charge authorization if you are sure you do not want
any system from Dell. No matter how long it takes Dell to straighten it
out, you can cancel the charge from your end much more simply, no?
 
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"Irene" <girlsrule@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<10d6hggt0gab760@corp.supernews.com>...
> Did you dispute the charges with you credit card company?
>
> If you did not, what can I say?
>
> Irene,
I put it on American Express. I complained to American Express once
Dell accussed me of signing for a replacement computer that I never
asked
for or received.

American Express has given me an extention on the balance while
this matter is being "disputed". The problem now is that American
Express claims that Dell is not cooperating with the investigation,
and American Express has set a deadline, that if they do not get
cooperation with Dell, they will direct the full balance back to me.
American Express has gone to bat for me, but I guess they only take it
so far. Using American Express has bought me some time, but really
hasn't helped me a whole lot. Again, I shouldn't have to rely on their
help to begin with.

This should be a no brainer: Dell sent me a bogus computer, I sent the
computer back, Dell signed for it and Dell has not givin me a refund.
What they have givin me is a huge run-around.

"If you did not, what can I say"
Irene, here's the point.
Isn't it a shame that honest consumers have to try to out-fox Dell to
keep from getting ripped off. The Dell employees I am stuck with are
seasoned pros in the art of deception and avoidance.

Credit Card or not, it wouldn't be an issue if I was dealing with a
reputable company.
 
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On 17 Jun 2004 13:12:04 -0700, jimdep1@yahoo.com (Jim Dep) wrote:

>Thanks for your support on this. I'm reading some good suggestions
>about getting a signed invoice first, before making the actual
>purchase.
>Dell is using high pressure tactics to make a quick sale, and I was
>too trusting. I don't think I'll ever make a purchase like this on
>line again,
>but if I do, I'll take your advice!
>
>Regarding the email, I emailed the sales rep back immediatly, once I
>discovered
>the two problems. She did not email me back.....Dehna Mikals is the
>name she used (another employee informed me that most Dell people
>don't use their real names). I then got her voice mail, and left a
>detailed message....no return call. I gave up with her.
>
>UPS comments:
>I think the UPS driver felt comfortable enough with me to share his
>recent experiences concerning Dell. He has been the only driver in
>this little town for a long time, and we cross paths once in a while.
>According to him, he hears similar complaints from other local
>customers and witnesses this kind of bad business from Dell first
>hand. Just to clarify, Dell did admit on a later date that they made a
>mistake about someone accepting the replacement computer on my behalf.
>Before that, however, one Dell CSR really put me on edge for a week
>saying that someone else signed to accept the delivery. Even knowing
>this, Dell would not contact me, and that I was the one who had to
>continue the pursuit to get a straight answer. I don't think it has
>happened yet!
>Not once in writing, have they made any apology.
>
>After I re-read my original post from yesterday, I may have come
>accross as being prejudice against non-English speaking people. I am
>not, but the point I'm trying to make is that Dell is being deceitful.
>In my case, Dell is using the language barrier to their advangtage,
>while finger pointing at their own employees, accusing each other of
>having "poor training". I am convinced that they do this by design.
>
tell dell on the phone if they do not connect you to an american, and
not some indian or beloved patriot drone, that you won't buy the system.




>Main Point: I sent the computer back, and they recieved and signed for
>it on May 2nd.
>Here it is June 17th, and they have not issued me a refund, while
>continuing to make excusses, blaming other employees. This garbage
>really takes its toll on my nerves, and I hope I can prevent someone
>from having to experience this.
 
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:12:51 -0400, "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote:

>
>"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:2jg7l8F10poj7U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> In article <2jdqa8F10edbgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Technobarbarian"
><randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:239468a3.0406162052.2a3f5520@posting.google.com...
>> >> Here's my experience.
>> >>
>> >> The first week of April 2004, I am considering ordering a Dell
>> >> Dimension 8300. I tell the sales rep on the phone that I am undecided,
>> >> will look at other systems first before making a decision. The sales
>> >> rep tells me " If you order now, I will upgrade your CRT monitor to a
>> >> flat screen CRT for no extra cost." I agree and she takes my order.
>> >>
>> >> When I recieved the Dell from UPS, I open the box and discover that I
>> >> got the cheaper monitor that I did not want, and the computer case is
>> >> scratched up, looking much like a refurbished computer (the box was
>> >> not damaged at all, however it was not packed well).
>> >
>> > You were lucky they used UPS. My last order from Dell, and it will be
>my
>> >last order because of the run around I got from the Indians, they sent
>$200
>> >worth of equipment on some off brand shipper, who left the box on a chair
>by
>> >my front door. About a week before that a city cop had had his bicycle
>> >stolen about 20 feet from that spot. If I spend the money for first class
>> >equipment, why would I want second class shipping and service?
>>
>
>You received the item on time and in working order I take it as I do not see
>any complaint about that. So must not have been that bad a "off brand
>shipper". It is not uncommon for companies to ship items with no signature
>required, mine does. The loss through stolen packages is much less than
>having to reship all the time because the schmuck that had to have it right
>away was not home on any of the 3 delivery attempts resulting in additional
>shipping costs.
>
>
>Guess you might want to look into a safer neighborhood. Dell sells PC
>equipment not security services.
>
>
yes, in order to get a safer delivery, the guys going to sell his
house. are you nuts?
 
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"Technobarbarian" <randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2jhhmsF10fiumU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
> news:qPJAc.135145$Yr.11526@okepread04...
> >
> > "Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:2jg7l8F10poj7U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > In article <2jdqa8F10edbgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Technobarbarian"
> > <randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:239468a3.0406162052.2a3f5520@posting.google.com...
> > > >> Here's my experience.
> > > >>
> > > >> The first week of April 2004, I am considering ordering a Dell
> > > >> Dimension 8300. I tell the sales rep on the phone that I am
> undecided,
> > > >> will look at other systems first before making a decision. The
sales
> > > >> rep tells me " If you order now, I will upgrade your CRT monitor to
a
> > > >> flat screen CRT for no extra cost." I agree and she takes my order.
> > > >>
> > > >> When I recieved the Dell from UPS, I open the box and discover that
I
> > > >> got the cheaper monitor that I did not want, and the computer case
is
> > > >> scratched up, looking much like a refurbished computer (the box was
> > > >> not damaged at all, however it was not packed well).
> > > >
> > > > You were lucky they used UPS. My last order from Dell, and it will
> be
> > my
> > > >last order because of the run around I got from the Indians, they
sent
> > $200
> > > >worth of equipment on some off brand shipper, who left the box on a
> chair
> > by
> > > >my front door. About a week before that a city cop had had his
bicycle
> > > >stolen about 20 feet from that spot. If I spend the money for first
> class
> > > >equipment, why would I want second class shipping and service?
> > >
> >
> > You received the item on time and in working order I take it as I do not
> see
> > any complaint about that.
>
> Yep, this package arrived on time and in working order. The last one
> with the same shipper did not.

Sure it didn't, I already figured that out. ;>)

>When I complained to the local manager that
> that package had arrived in town early enough in the morning to be
delivered
> that day and on time his response was complain to Dell, they're the
> customer--you aren't.

Oh, I did not realise that you worked for the shipper in question and were
familiar with the logistics involved in their route and delvery scheduling
on a given date.
I will not argue the the fact you should have made Dell aware of this A$$'s
comment however. But you should also have made his boss aware as this is an
issue with his companies performance, not Dell's.


>
> > So must not have been that bad a "off brand
> > shipper". It is not uncommon for companies to ship items with no
signature
> > required, mine does. The loss through stolen packages is much less than
> > having to reship all the time because the schmuck that had to have it
> right
> > away was not home on any of the 3 delivery attempts resulting in
> additional
> > shipping costs.
>
> Like I want to argue with Dell about whether or not I actually got an
> item that was basically thrown out of the truck like a newspaper.

Oh, now see it wasn't just left on the chair on your porch, it was "thrown
out of the truck like a newspaper".
First I must say my hats off to the driver for making such a good shot and
so carefully it touched down in the chair as not to damage the contents.


>
> > Guess you might want to look into a safer neighborhood. Dell sells PC
> > equipment not security services.
>
> They *are* trying to be an online merchant. If they disavow all
> responsibility for what happens after the order is recieved they aren't
much
> use to real life consumers. If *they* have problem with my neighborhood
they
> don't have to sell to me (not likely to be a problem in the future). Even
> when I lived way out in the boonies I wouldn't have appreciated this sort
of
> delivery, here in a typical urban neighborhood I certainly don't.

Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not received
the package, they would ship another.
I am curious however as I just received my third 8300 last week and like the
last two mine arrived via UPS and required signature for the driver to leave
them.
 
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"mimsy borogove" <****@***.***> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jun 2004 13:12:04 -0700, jimdep1@yahoo.com (Jim Dep) wrote:
>
> >Thanks for your support on this. I'm reading some good suggestions
> >about getting a signed invoice first, before making the actual
> >purchase.
> >Dell is using high pressure tactics to make a quick sale, and I was
> >too trusting. I don't think I'll ever make a purchase like this on
> >line again,
> >but if I do, I'll take your advice!
> >
> >Regarding the email, I emailed the sales rep back immediatly, once I
> >discovered
> >the two problems. She did not email me back.....Dehna Mikals is the
> >name she used (another employee informed me that most Dell people
> >don't use their real names). I then got her voice mail, and left a
> >detailed message....no return call. I gave up with her.
> >
> >UPS comments:
> >I think the UPS driver felt comfortable enough with me to share his
> >recent experiences concerning Dell. He has been the only driver in
> >this little town for a long time, and we cross paths once in a while.
> >According to him, he hears similar complaints from other local
> >customers and witnesses this kind of bad business from Dell first
> >hand. Just to clarify, Dell did admit on a later date that they made a
> >mistake about someone accepting the replacement computer on my behalf.
> >Before that, however, one Dell CSR really put me on edge for a week
> >saying that someone else signed to accept the delivery. Even knowing
> >this, Dell would not contact me, and that I was the one who had to
> >continue the pursuit to get a straight answer. I don't think it has
> >happened yet!
> >Not once in writing, have they made any apology.
> >
> >After I re-read my original post from yesterday, I may have come
> >accross as being prejudice against non-English speaking people. I am
> >not, but the point I'm trying to make is that Dell is being deceitful.
> >In my case, Dell is using the language barrier to their advangtage,
> >while finger pointing at their own employees, accusing each other of
> >having "poor training". I am convinced that they do this by design.
> >
> tell dell on the phone if they do not connect you to an american, and
> not some indian or beloved patriot drone, that you won't buy the system.
>

That's right, tell them you want a damned American drone and you want him
now!
And if that doesn't work, stomp your feet and cry!
 
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"mimsy borogove" <****@***.***> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:12:51 -0400, "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:2jg7l8F10poj7U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >> In article <2jdqa8F10edbgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Technobarbarian"
> ><randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:239468a3.0406162052.2a3f5520@posting.google.com...
> >> >> Here's my experience.
> >> >>
> >> >> The first week of April 2004, I am considering ordering a Dell
> >> >> Dimension 8300. I tell the sales rep on the phone that I am
undecided,
> >> >> will look at other systems first before making a decision. The sales
> >> >> rep tells me " If you order now, I will upgrade your CRT monitor to
a
> >> >> flat screen CRT for no extra cost." I agree and she takes my order.
> >> >>
> >> >> When I recieved the Dell from UPS, I open the box and discover that
I
> >> >> got the cheaper monitor that I did not want, and the computer case
is
> >> >> scratched up, looking much like a refurbished computer (the box was
> >> >> not damaged at all, however it was not packed well).
> >> >
> >> > You were lucky they used UPS. My last order from Dell, and it will
be
> >my
> >> >last order because of the run around I got from the Indians, they sent
> >$200
> >> >worth of equipment on some off brand shipper, who left the box on a
chair
> >by
> >> >my front door. About a week before that a city cop had had his bicycle
> >> >stolen about 20 feet from that spot. If I spend the money for first
class
> >> >equipment, why would I want second class shipping and service?
> >>
> >
> >You received the item on time and in working order I take it as I do not
see
> >any complaint about that. So must not have been that bad a "off brand
> >shipper". It is not uncommon for companies to ship items with no
signature
> >required, mine does. The loss through stolen packages is much less than
> >having to reship all the time because the schmuck that had to have it
right
> >away was not home on any of the 3 delivery attempts resulting in
additional
> >shipping costs.
> >
> >
> >Guess you might want to look into a safer neighborhood. Dell sells PC
> >equipment not security services.
> >
> >
> yes, in order to get a safer delivery, the guys going to sell his
> house. are you nuts?

Of course not. Read it again, but first stand up. That way the comment will
not be over your head and you may get the point.
 
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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
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> Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not received
> the package, they would ship another.

Incredible! I couldn't even get an invoice for this order and yet you're
guaranteeing I could have gotten another hard drive shipped. You're either a
Dell shill or have super powers far beyond ordinary mortals.

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We use MasterCard and I have never been given any kind of time limit because
the merchant "refuses to cooperate".

If it were me, I would let American Express know that I was more than a
little displeased with their handling of my dispute, but that is just me. If
they continued with the time limit business, and they billed me, and I was
forced to pay, I would then immediately cancel the credit card and inform
them in writing why. These days a good, cooperative credit card company is
one of the few and best protections any consumer has.
I agree, Dell is terrible when it comes to refunds and credits.
That is one of the reasons we no longer buy Dell Computers.

"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Irene" <girlsrule@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<10d6hggt0gab760@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Did you dispute the charges with you credit card company?
> >
> > If you did not, what can I say?
> >
> > Irene,
> I put it on American Express. I complained to American Express once
> Dell accussed me of signing for a replacement computer that I never
> asked
> for or received.
>
> American Express has given me an extention on the balance while
> this matter is being "disputed". The problem now is that American
> Express claims that Dell is not cooperating with the investigation,
> and American Express has set a deadline, that if they do not get
> cooperation with Dell, they will direct the full balance back to me.
> American Express has gone to bat for me, but I guess they only take it
> so far. Using American Express has bought me some time, but really
> hasn't helped me a whole lot. Again, I shouldn't have to rely on their
> help to begin with.
>
> This should be a no brainer: Dell sent me a bogus computer, I sent the
> computer back, Dell signed for it and Dell has not givin me a refund.
> What they have givin me is a huge run-around.
>
> "If you did not, what can I say"
> Irene, here's the point.
> Isn't it a shame that honest consumers have to try to out-fox Dell to
> keep from getting ripped off. The Dell employees I am stuck with are
> seasoned pros in the art of deception and avoidance.
>
> Credit Card or not, it wouldn't be an issue if I was dealing with a
> reputable company.
 
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PC Medic wrote:
> "mimsy borogove" <****@***.***> wrote in message
> news:fss8d01obgseorm5r8k0gjdcrpinh5pli3@4ax.com...
>
>>On 17 Jun 2004 13:12:04 -0700, jimdep1@yahoo.com (Jim Dep) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your support on this. I'm reading some good suggestions
>>>about getting a signed invoice first, before making the actual
>>>purchase.
>>>Dell is using high pressure tactics to make a quick sale, and I was
>>>too trusting. I don't think I'll ever make a purchase like this on
>>>line again,
>>>but if I do, I'll take your advice!
>>>
>>>Regarding the email, I emailed the sales rep back immediatly, once I
>>>discovered
>>>the two problems. She did not email me back.....Dehna Mikals is the
>>>name she used (another employee informed me that most Dell people
>>>don't use their real names). I then got her voice mail, and left a
>>>detailed message....no return call. I gave up with her.
>>>
>>>UPS comments:
>>>I think the UPS driver felt comfortable enough with me to share his
>>>recent experiences concerning Dell. He has been the only driver in
>>>this little town for a long time, and we cross paths once in a while.
>>>According to him, he hears similar complaints from other local
>>>customers and witnesses this kind of bad business from Dell first
>>>hand. Just to clarify, Dell did admit on a later date that they made a
>>>mistake about someone accepting the replacement computer on my behalf.
>>>Before that, however, one Dell CSR really put me on edge for a week
>>>saying that someone else signed to accept the delivery. Even knowing
>>>this, Dell would not contact me, and that I was the one who had to
>>>continue the pursuit to get a straight answer. I don't think it has
>>>happened yet!
>>>Not once in writing, have they made any apology.
>>>
>>>After I re-read my original post from yesterday, I may have come
>>>accross as being prejudice against non-English speaking people. I am
>>>not, but the point I'm trying to make is that Dell is being deceitful.
>>>In my case, Dell is using the language barrier to their advangtage,
>>>while finger pointing at their own employees, accusing each other of
>>>having "poor training". I am convinced that they do this by design.
>>
>>tell dell on the phone if they do not connect you to an american, and
>>not some indian or beloved patriot drone, that you won't buy the system.
>
> That's right, tell them you want a damned American drone and you want him
> now!
> And if that doesn't work, stomp your feet and cry!

I prefer holding my breath until they give in.
 
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PC Medic wrote:

<snip>

> Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not received
> the package, they would ship another.
> I am curious however as I just received my third 8300 last week and like the
> last two mine arrived via UPS and required signature for the driver to leave
> them.

My last shipment from Dell had a big sticker on the box saying "Adult
Signature Required" (via UPS).
 
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"Vince McGowan" <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote in message
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> PC Medic wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not
received
> > the package, they would ship another.
> > I am curious however as I just received my third 8300 last week and like
the
> > last two mine arrived via UPS and required signature for the driver to
leave
> > them.
>
> My last shipment from Dell had a big sticker on the box saying "Adult
> Signature Required" (via UPS).
>

They must have forgotten the one that said " Hey dummy, the driver does not
work for us so if he does not follow the directions on the other sticker
please let HIS boss know!"

Also, why snip the part of my post you were actually responding to and leave
the irrelevant part? Or did you figure that would somehow help your (lack
of) argument?
 
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"Technobarbarian" <randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
> news:jK2Bc.144454$Yr.131299@okepread04...
>
> > Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not
received
> > the package, they would ship another.
>
> Incredible! I couldn't even get an invoice for this order and yet
you're
> guaranteeing I could have gotten another hard drive shipped. You're either
a
> Dell shill or have super powers far beyond ordinary mortals.
>

Yes I know the invoice in the box, online and mailed separate all failed to
show.

The comment is based on experiences in our shipping department (where we do
not require signature) and law that dictates you can not charge the customer
if you can not prove delivery so must refund or replace. I guess like Irene
you need to stand while reading so it is not over your head. Is a company
going to put you through the mill when this happens....probably, there are a
lot more scumbags out their than packages that 'really' get lost.
 
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Irene,

I agree with you, and thanks for your thoughtful comments.
I'd also like to clarify that this Dell computer was intended as a
gift
from my 81 year-old dad. He saw a Dell advertisment, knew that I
currently have a five-year old computer and wanted this to be a happy
experience. I wasn't quite as sold on Dell as he was, but this was his
gift, just out of the blue.

When I originally called Dell, I really didn't like their
high-pressure sales tactics over-the-phone, but when their sales rep
decieved me and offered me a free upgrade to a better monitor, I fell
for it and took the bait.

Anyway, this was put on HIS Amercian Express, and he's been an
excellent customer with them for over 30 years, and that makes your
point even more valid. He is dealing with American Express on his end,
so I copied your response and forwarded it to him. Thanks again!
(There should be a better way to spend father's day with your dad : )
 
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PC Medic wrote:
> "Vince McGowan" <SPAMvincemcg@nada.com> wrote in message
> news:1Y5Bc.28500$V57.6961027@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
>
>>PC Medic wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not
>
> received
>
>>>the package, they would ship another.
>>>I am curious however as I just received my third 8300 last week and like
>
> the
>
>>>last two mine arrived via UPS and required signature for the driver to
>
> leave
>
>>>them.
>>
>>My last shipment from Dell had a big sticker on the box saying "Adult
>>Signature Required" (via UPS).
>
> They must have forgotten the one that said " Hey dummy, the driver does not
> work for us so if he does not follow the directions on the other sticker
> please let HIS boss know!"
>
> Also, why snip the part of my post you were actually responding to and leave
> the irrelevant part? Or did you figure that would somehow help your (lack
> of) argument?

I wasn't arguing with you, just tossing in a nugget of info regarding
deliveries from Dell.
 
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Dell is world renowned for their ability to give people the run around for
months. It's been reported just about every where, repeatedly and nothing
ever changes. The horror stories just continue to roll in. They have all
kinds of excuses but the bottomline is that they are expert consumer
torturers. Hour after hour of phone calls ending in hangups or disconnects.
Endless and circular transfers from one person to another. Promises never
kept. Out right lies as you have experienced. And if you're trying to get
money back from them then you'll likely get the very best of the Dell
torture masters! Interesting they have even stopped cooperating with
American Express. You really should write it all up and send it into the
Texas AG and Texas BBB as well as any local consumer affairs reporter.
Return the pain tenfold and Dell may consider actually correcting this BS.



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> Here's my experience.
>
> The first week of April 2004, I am considering ordering a Dell
> Dimension 8300. I tell the sales rep on the phone that I am undecided,
> will look at other systems first before making a decision. The sales
> rep tells me " If you order now, I will upgrade your CRT monitor to a
> flat screen CRT for no extra cost." I agree and she takes my order.
>
> When I recieved the Dell from UPS, I open the box and discover that I
> got the cheaper monitor that I did not want, and the computer case is
> scratched up, looking much like a refurbished computer (the box was
> not damaged at all, however it was not packed well). I call to
> complain, and after being on hold for close to an hour, the customer
> service person tells me that I did not pay for the more expensive
> monitor and will have to accept the one I recieved. He tells me that
> they can replace the computer, but I will have to wait 2 weeks, have
> to return the monitor as well, and I'm still stuck with the cheaper
> model. His english was so terrible I could barely understand him, so I
> ask to speak to another rep. The next rep's english was just as poor
> and I got the same response. I told them that I was UNDECIDED about
> accepting another computer, and was contimplating sending this one
> back for a full refund. I left it at that.
>
> The next day, I tried out the computer and it froze when I attempted
> to watch a DVD. It happended several times, so I called their service
> tech. I was on hold for OVER an hour, so I waited to call back the
> following day. This time I got through in 20 minutes and got another
> person that could barely speak English. I explain
> what was going on, could barely understand his response, and I ask for
> someone you was more proficient with the English language. He jokes
> that all calls to customer service and the Dell tech department are
> now channelled to New Dehli, India, and that I would have to deal with
> it.
> At that point, my mind was made up to send back the Dell. I call Dell
> again, inform them that I no longer want the computer, and that I want
> a full refund. I explain the whole story again to another
> hard-to-understand Cust.Serv. rep, and now they decide to offer me the
> better monitor that I was originally expecting. I tell them that I'm
> no longer interested, and I want to return the computor.
> We set up the return, I repackaged the system and waited for UPS.
> UPS shows up with another computer! I refuse it and ask the driver to
> take the one I have. The driver tells me that UPS is very frustrated
> with Dell because of these kind of problems, and takes my computer
> with him, and gives me a reciept.
>
> A week later, I check with Dell again and ask how long it will take to
> get the refund. To add to my stress, another rep tells me that
> "Someone else signed for your replacement computer, our records show
> that you accepted it," and that they do not owe me a refund. I'm livid
> at this point, and they tell me I have to wait a few days for them to
> research the problem, and then try calling back. (Keep in mind that
> everytime I call, I am on hold forever).
>
> My next contact with them, they tell me that they made a mistake and
> will issue me a refund in "5 to 8 weeks!" I threaten with the attorney
> general, and BBB.
> I waited to the end of May, and then called Dell back again. This time
> they tell me that "the person you talked to did not enter the refusal
> correctly, so you will have to wait until we can process your request
> for a refund."
> It is now almost July, and I still have not recieved a refund, and all
> I get is excuses. This has been a nightmare.
> Never again will I consider a Dell, no matter what.
 
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"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
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>and law that dictates you can not charge the customer
> if you can not prove delivery so must refund or replace.

And JUST WHERE did I say that was not true?

Maybe you are the one the needs to stand up when you read, or at least put
your glasses on. >g<





"PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Technobarbarian" <randomcanyon-ztopzpam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2jkcg6F123qqjU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "PC Medic" <NOT@home.net> wrote in message
> > news:jK2Bc.144454$Yr.131299@okepread04...
> >
> > > Again, where you live is not Dells issue and should you have not
> received
> > > the package, they would ship another.
> >
> > Incredible! I couldn't even get an invoice for this order and yet
> you're
> > guaranteeing I could have gotten another hard drive shipped. You're
either
> a
> > Dell shill or have super powers far beyond ordinary mortals.
> >
>
> Yes I know the invoice in the box, online and mailed separate all failed
to
> show.
>
> The comment is based on experiences in our shipping department (where we
do
> not require signature) and law that dictates you can not charge the
customer
> if you can not prove delivery so must refund or replace. I guess like
Irene
> you need to stand while reading so it is not over your head. Is a company
> going to put you through the mill when this happens....probably, there are
a
> lot more scumbags out their than packages that 'really' get lost.
>
>
>
>
>
 
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"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> (There should be a better way to spend father's day with your dad : )


Yes, there should.


"Jim Dep" <jimdep1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Irene,
>
> I agree with you, and thanks for your thoughtful comments.
> I'd also like to clarify that this Dell computer was intended as a
> gift
> from my 81 year-old dad. He saw a Dell advertisment, knew that I
> currently have a five-year old computer and wanted this to be a happy
> experience. I wasn't quite as sold on Dell as he was, but this was his
> gift, just out of the blue.
>
> When I originally called Dell, I really didn't like their
> high-pressure sales tactics over-the-phone, but when their sales rep
> decieved me and offered me a free upgrade to a better monitor, I fell
> for it and took the bait.
>
> Anyway, this was put on HIS Amercian Express, and he's been an
> excellent customer with them for over 30 years, and that makes your
> point even more valid. He is dealing with American Express on his end,
> so I copied your response and forwarded it to him. Thanks again!
> (There should be a better way to spend father's day with your dad : )
 
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Robot, you hit the nail on the head.
It sounds like a description for terrorist training camps.

I'm going to start a new thread called "Buyer Beware Part 2", because
many of the posts are getting a little OT.

I'd like to share Dell's latest response, and "so called" follow up
to keep the public informed on how my issue is being treated.
Thanks for your responses.
 
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It's not worth starting a new post. The follow-up was more
of the same, having to explain the whole thing over again,
and getting false empathy in return.
 

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Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote in news:40D1B5C9.953B8875@ddress.com:

> LaVacheQuiRit wrote:
>>
>> The organic entity known as Carolyn Taliaferro communicated the
>> following:
>>
>> > Sorry for the three posts.
>>
>> Ever heard of cancelling?
>
> In Carolyn's defense, not all NSPs/Newsreaders allow cancellations.
>
> Notan

I can't cancel.