Can I use a 15,000 rpm cheetah?

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So i was considering buying a new hd and looking at raptors vs. caviars in raid 0 and what-not. So then i popped over to the list of 15,000 SCSI drives and started to wonder what i'd have to do to get one of those running in my system. would it be worth it, would i just have to buy a PCI card or what? Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

My system:
e6600 @ 3.0
Asus P5N-E SLI
x1900xtx
2 x 250 gig caviars
2 x DVD-RW
OCZ gamextreme 700W (coming in mail tomorrow)
 
I've been using a 36GB 15k Cheetah U320 drive for a few years now.

Had to stop using it since I upgraded last weekend though as it doesn't seem to like the Abit AB9 Pro M/B.

Yes you'll need a PCI card. Adaptec do a good line in SCSI adapters.

Also make sure you get the NON-rack mount connection type, well unless you have a rackmount server case.

You'll also need a cable and a SCSI terminator.
 
To use a cheetah, you do have to get a controller card. Personally, I would just stick with WD Raptors. They are widely supported, and quite fast. Besides, with the Raptors you aren't limited by the interface bandwidth of the PCI bus.

Best of Luck
 
So i was considering buying a new hd and looking at raptors vs. caviars in raid 0 and what-not. So then i popped over to the list of 15,000 SCSI drives and started to wonder what i'd have to do to get one of those running in my system. would it be worth it, would i just have to buy a PCI card or what? Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

My system:
e6600 @ 3.0
Asus P5N-E SLI
x1900xtx
2 x 250 gig caviars
2 x DVD-RW
OCZ gamextreme 700W (coming in mail tomorrow)
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:arrow: You would need a SCSI adapter something like an Adaptec 29160 to use that drive,not cheap,about $325.00 CAD $280.00 USD.
 
Better to use a PCI-e card with more bandwidth.
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:arrow: True,depends on how much he's willing to spend,for $735.00 CAD he could use:Ultra320 SCSI - PCI-X - 2CH RAID 2230SLP - IO-AD-2120200,good unit if your filthy rich.
 
Other points to consider about the Cheetah X15 is that they are rather loud and run very hot. They really need specialist cooling in a rackmount case but I found a fan blowing air directly over the drive worked ok for me.
 
Nope, the ASUS P5WDG2-WS Professional has 2 PCI-X slots and usually sells for like 270-ish bucks.

BUT, its a 975X board and its the only non-professional board with PCI-X slots.
 
No.


PCI-X is not compatible with most systems. Only server boards have that slot.
And actually, PCI-X is cheaper then PCI-e as far as raid controllers go.
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Most PCI-X cards will work in PCI motherboards, just at PCI speeds (which defeats the point, but still).
 
PCI-X does not fit in a PCI slot. You are mistaken on that piece of information.
PCI-e does not fit in a PCI slot.

I would prefer you post some links saying it does fit if you chose to say "yes huh".
 
Thanks for all the help, folks. It seems that the costs involved are too high for a poor white boy like me. I guess the best way for me is to stay with sata drives and raid my caviars. It's just so darn hard to kick this computer upgrade habit. I have a disease! I need rehab!
 
PCI-X does not fit in a PCI slot. You are mistaken on that piece of information.
PCI-e does not fit in a PCI slot.

I would prefer you post some links saying it does fit if you chose to say "yes huh".
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If your PCI-X card is of "Universal PCI" design (most are, but there are exceptions), you can plug it into a standard PCI slot. The extra card edge connector on the PCI-X card will hang over the edge of the PCI slot and not be connected to anything. The card will run at PCI speeds and widths of 32-bit, 33MHz.

See http://www.digi.com/pdf/prd_msc_pcitech.pdfhttp://www.digi.com/pdf/prd_msc_pcitech.pdf for details.

As an example, I have a 3Ware 9500S PCI-X RAID controller running on an Intel D865PERL motherboard. The PCI-X card is in a 32-bit 33MHz PCI slot, and runs just fine, although the maximum speed to the array is capped at about 100MB/sec. Now, that's because this particular card is a universal PCI design.

On the other hand, 3Ware's 9550SX PCI-X controller will not run like this. It is a 3.3V design, and will not work in the standard PCI slot since almost all of them are the 5V/3.3V universal design.
 
PCI-X does not fit in a PCI slot. You are mistaken on that piece of information.
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Yes they do, no I'm not

I would prefer you post some links saying it does fit if you chose to say "yes huh".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci-x
http://darkness.codefu.org/wordpress/2005/08/19/201

5v PCI cards won't work in PCI-X, but any 3.3v should (can't say they all will...). Additionally provided that the motherboard doesn't block the card a PCI-X card can work in a PCI slot it will just run at PCI speed, which usually defeats the point of the card. A PCI card put into a PCI-X bus will force the bus to run at 33Mhz, but I'm fairly sure that it can still pump 64-bit to the PCI-X cards.

EDIT: And if they don't work then I guess we've just been imagining that server at work being connected to the network, the one with the PCI-X card in the PCI slot.
 
Ah I am wrong as there are exceptions to the rules. Thanks for that PDF document, very useful.


Thats why we are all here... to learn and be learnt.





and smash those puny fanbois with superior technology
 
So i was considering buying a new hd and looking at raptors vs. caviars in raid 0 and what-not. So then i popped over to the list of 15,000 SCSI drives and started to wonder what i'd have to do to get one of those running in my system. would it be worth it, would i just have to buy a PCI card or what? Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

My system:
e6600 @ 3.0
Asus P5N-E SLI
x1900xtx
2 x 250 gig caviars
2 x DVD-RW
OCZ gamextreme 700W (coming in mail tomorrow)
Click to expand...

OK, I recently did this and am really happy with the outcome - this is what you need to do for a cheap and fast SCSI setup:

1) Get a second hand PCI or PCI64 Adaptec Ultra 160 card from ebay, such as the 29160 or 29160N. These are extremely cheap (I picked up one for £8) and have easily enough bandwidth for one drive.

2) Get a 68 pin SCSI cable with a terminator. Again, go with ebay and it should cost very little.

3) Get your drive. I would advise ebay again because you can pick up second hand SCSI drives there for good prices. Get one that's less than 2 years old and it will be very fast and will be relatively quiet when idling (due to Fluid Dynamic Bearings). It must have an Ultra 320 SCSI interface, NOT Fibre Channel or SAS. Most will have an SCA connector (for use in hot-pluggable servers), which means you will have to buy a SCA to 68 pin convertor as well (ebay again).

Then again, you could just get a Raptor as those are extremely fast for desktop use as they are optimised for it - but the above is more fun - well it was for me :) I'm now booting Windows Vista off of a 73GB Fujitsu MAX and it really shifts.

Oh, by the way - SCSI drives make quite a noise while seeking - but no more than a Raptor.
 
Ultra 160 is an old standard that has been phased out by Ultra 320.

Most Ultra 320 cards do not require a terminator.

SAS is a better standard than SCSI. Why in the world would you suggest SCSI over SAS???? It has a larger bus and the simplicity of a SATA cable.
 
LOL

Oh thats just no good. Gotta get you one of those Super DLT's. There are a few that are designed for professional video production that can run at 288mb/s. Pack away 300GB at 2:1 compression.
 
dito i am always bying new stuff for my comp bad habit that will no die my new one is i am getting 8 250 gig WD2500ys RE and doing a raid 5 array with with 8 port pci-E raid card, for in house server :). i have a supporting wife though so im good.
 
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